Now my username and password are in the apache logs... I hope rusty doesn't steal all my bitcoins with this information. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 ------- kr5ddit.com - Your front page to the internet. Humvns is a direct rip off of Real Humans... Even the names are the same. Real Humans will always be the original though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hay! At least he was in a stable relationship. I guess he couldn't reign in his desires... poor guy getting saddled with this... but if the shoe fits... nailed it! That's the mane thing. You can beat the wrap, but you can't beat the ride. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hopefully he has to give those kids aids $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Guys, I meant helpers... lol... I heard Jarrad got thin due to his helpers (not aids like the disease --- lol)... Maybe those helpers were a little bit too young to be 'helping' in that way though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 In your interest... how old are you holly? You should probably be taking extra folic acid to help prevent chances of down syndrome in a woman your age. Also, out of interest... have you had the baby checked for downs or other disorders? Is that standard now days? What would you do if there are problems? Seriously though, all the best. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Cromwell's law is irrelevant. Easily avoided by dealing in log probabilities... which would have to be +/-inf to have priors of 0 or 1. Secondly... when people say no, impossible, all or always... that's because they are using natural language, and if you could develop a human brain capable of understanding natural language... you would realise they mean very close to zero or one probability... not actually zero or one... Finally... moore's law is clearly not an exponential curve... practically no natural data matches any functional curve perfectly... but in reality it matches an exponential curve plus some noise (ie, "almost")... maybe... but the S curve is also exponential in the early stages... and again... practically... every real life growth curve is an S curve... not an exponential curve. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You sound like a child who's just heard his dog has died "You're lying. You don't know anything"... wah wah wah... Learn how to process natural language... and stop treating it like mathematics to be cast into absolutes... Nobody's priors are actually zero or one... they are 10^-40 or 1-10^-40... probably closer to 10^-15 and 1-10^-15. You know why? Because if they actually see and experience the thing they don't believe in... they will believe in it... meaning they didn't really have priors of one or zero... they just said it that way... cause they weren't expressing mathematically the actual probabilities represented by their neurons... they were expressing how the feel... using words... imprecisely... ambiguously. Truth is... no one even knows their own priors... they can only guess at them... it's the most ridiculous argument ever. And cromwells law is wrong... that's just mathematics, and can't be as expressive as natural language... it's all just gossip anyway. Cromwell is hand waving. LOL --- you so stupid. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... it's NOT an exponential... It's "almost" a fucking exponential... Are those dots all on the exponential line? No... they are just pretty close... You don't understand curve fitting at all... And you saying "absolutely and unequivocally" means your priors are absolute, and therefore not subject to change through any means... so, by your own logic, you must be wrong. Get a grip. Also... there really are no unbound exponentials in nature... p<1e-6. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Still waiting on your critique of the free market$ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What's with dirty slavs claiming to be white? You're practically a fucking gyppo... You got some serious white envy going on.... you wanna be white like bruce jenner wants to be a woman... you can try and look the part... but no one really takes you seriously. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's why we anesthetize them first. Animals are like women... if they're not conscious, then they aren't saying no by running away... so it's automatically consent. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Is that a fact? Steady state would be any pattern that eventually repeats... so, for a finite world, if you see the same pattern as before, you've reached a steady state. For it not to hit a steady state, you could do it on an infinite world... if it continued to expand... but in a finite world it would have to be chaotic... and then it would still have a steady state... but that might have extremely large periods... So... are you sure? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How would that kill you? Was he attempting to electroplate his balls? Was he holding a high voltage power source while dipping his balls in some gold something solution? Could this be achieved another way? Say gold particles in suspension sprayed on your balls so that the solution evaporated leaving just the gold? Just asking... you know... for a friend. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Explains why this guy plead guilty to huffing paint? Also explains his frown... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But with free money people could buy more delicious meat. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... you just don't understand economics... It's quite simple as that... If you could make everyone wealthier... they are going to engage in more of the things they like... if they like eating meat... you're only going to encourage meat eating. Slavery goes against the free market... because it imposes externalities on people. So, that's a bad argument. Now... if you wanted to include animals as economic agents... then yes... we impose externalities on them... IMHO... too fucking bad... the rights of animals is vanishingly small compared to humans. I'm anthropocentric... deal with it. If you want to diminish meat eating... you can tax it... or you could subsidise vegetarians... but your stupidity is absolutely worthless whatever goals you're trying to achieve. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... you provably do not understand markets... You can't see that there is utility in it for every (human) actor in the system. If I don't care about where it came from, but enjoy the tastes and benefits from meat... Then it has utility for me... and I will spend up to that much utility to obtain it... whether I raise and slaughter it myself... or if I can offer someone more utility than they doing that themselves costs them... Markets exist anyway... no matter what you do... unless you're in a VR... then it doesn't matter, cause then your end goal is met... but we aren't... so they do. And if we give everyone enough 'money' (like it could change the above facts --- in fact, if I had enough money, I probably would farm my own meat)... then however that applies to farming meat applies equally to farming grain and vegetables. Seriously... you don't want to accept economics... so shut the fuck up about it... you can't understand incentives (utility gain) and disincentives (disutility / cost) so you have nothing to add. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I've been eating sushi since the late 90s... So... haven't noticed it being something new... no. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You chose a bad example with 1/0... The limit of x = 0+ is +infinity, and x = 0- is -infinity... even the limit is discontinuous... so... undefined or NaN or whatever... yes. So, any N not zero N/0 is undefined. The only interesting case is 0/0, where you could use L'Hopital's rule... otherwise, you're SOL for anything else. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If anyone can define Z meaningfully, it would be you... To me... Z would mean possibly any, all, some, none or even sets of ranges of the numbers in the range [-inf, +inf] (not sure I used the right brackets to indicate including... It's been a while since I did maths). Not sure how much more useful that is than undefined though. Of course, you would probably solve the grand unified theory of physics... those pesky singularities won't be a problem anymore. Hmmmm... the only useful property I can think of is that 1/Z = 0? Hmmmm... maybe it can only be +inf or -inf or something? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, the limit of x/x as x-> 0 IS 1 No argument... limit of y/x as x -> 0 if y(x=0)=0 IS y'(x). but x/x and y/x are both undefined at y=x=0. I don't see any problem with L'Hospital's rule. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Okay, right... 0/0 is undefined... but if you had a function that was 3x/x... it's limit is still 3 as x approaches zero... But L'Hospitals rules doesn't define 0/0... the derivative of 0 is 0, so L'Hospitals rule applied to 0/0 is 0/0 or still undefined. So... no... it doesn't solve 0/0... what it does solve is functions that are otherwise continuous at 0... except that both parts go to zero... often that actually is the value at that point in physical systems... it's just you hadn't used the right maths. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You've just failed to describe it mathematically.. Not maths failing to describe it... but you failing to describe it with a particular tool...all you've proven is your incompetence with that tool. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The 'gradient' of a hill becomes undefined... which is why it no longer has a gradient and becomes a cliff... with a height... with no defined gradient... You can measure the 'slope' in radians though... and you will find that it always has a slope... 90o is just fine in maths... though the tangient becomes undefined in this case! So... no... it's not a problem with maths... it's a problem of you choosing how to model nature... Because in reality... hills only have a gradient in some very simplified model... and cliffs exist in the same way... it's all made of little points of mass and energy interacting mostly via the electromagnetic force after all... there's no such regularity except for your model strawman that you note is broken by design. As for computers... if you asked for N/0... you should bloody well should get an error or exception or at least NaN as a result... this doesn't crash your computer either... the computer is still running fine doing exactly what it should... just not what you wanted it to do... but that's your fault for not knowing that dividing by zero is 'undefined' mathematically and makes no sense in any context. Computers don't do what you mean them to do... they do what you tell them to do... no matter how advanced AI gets... it's always going to have this problem... as long as it doesn't perfectly know what you mean when you tell it something... and given that people often mean different things when they say the same thing... this problem is unsolvable in principal... but you can get closer to it in aggregate... but if someone ever asks it, how many apples per person if I shared 5 apples between zero people... it's going to tell you, one way or the other, that you question makes no sense... that there is no answer... you're an idiot... or any number of apples, it doesn't matter, and five left over. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Damn you're so retarded... Private business 'creating' money is totally different, and has totally different effects than the government just spending money into existence. Every asset created has a liability... it's balanced money creation. And bankers don't decide the value of anything except the trades they are involved in... ie... the value of the CDS and such... and furthermore... in an as-if* free market, they would have been punished (by the market) for getting them so horrendously wrong instead of being rewarded for it with bail outs. As for your divide by zero theory... fucking hell... it's undefined... end of fucking story... how many square meters of land on earth does each person have when there are zero people? There is no number that makes sense in that context... it's simply not defined... Your infatuation with proving that maths is 'wrong' just means that nothing you say has any basis in logic or reality in general. *: I'm calling a market that is regulated to account for externalities, limited information and competition, such that it creates the same outcomes as a free market the as-if-free market... to clear up a discussion I had with MI over this. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... it's not about businesses carrying debt etc the bankruptcy or the dissolution of those businesses is the punishment.... rather... not even a punishment... they're just removed from the market for being idiots... or at best... for being 'wrong'. They should have been removed from the market for exactly the reason you state (not emotional reasons though)... to change the incentives for the next bank... and especially those that run them and made the decisions that lead to that problem. And yeah... they don't gamble like you think they do... they don't maximise expected profits... oddly enough that's a sure fire way to failure in any risk taking situation... it's not enough to maximise expected profits (the arithmetic mean of outcomes times their probabilities)... it is a necessary condition for a given bet to have value, but not sufficient... instead you must maximise expected growth (the geometric means of the outcomes, including total value you hold outside the bet, to the power of the probability of the outcome)... which always makes you bet less than maximum expected return would suggest... Going to zero is ruin... which is why you maximise expected growth, not profit... the former you never go to zero (mathematically... not practically... cause fixed costs)... the former you always go to zero in a series of bad bets... so, going to zero and removing the companies that do so is 'good enough'... the bailouts just amplify the pain... bankruptcy and nationalisation were the correct answer. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nothing to do with emotion... This is the exact purpose of the market... to make more of the things that are successful (in terms of providing social surplus) and less of the things that aren't... so removing failures from the market is what makes it efficient. Well... read the bit above on expected growth vs expected value first... Then... if the company is in the business of making 100% bets on coin flips with 'good' returns... reasonable investors will know that the value of that company is actually zero... and those that don't will find out at some point. All such ventures end in ruin. As for an individual... setting up a company... investing a fraction of his total value in it... and having that company make a 3:1 bet on a coinflip once before dissolving the company... it's exactly the same as him making a coinflip with a fraction of his value... and is the right thing to do... but why does he need a company to do it? And if a company is using just a fraction of their value... then they are again a viable company... Why set up all these companies knowing half will fail and half will be worth triple? Also... why not? So... no... your scenario isn't important... what's important is that companies that are reckless and fail are removed (from private control)... and that's good enough. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Although I think the as-if-free market is emotionally satisfying too... I've said it before... every time people complain about the 'free market' it's almost always because of an uncorrected deviation from the free market... externalities, bad information, competition. Because the (ideal) free market increases everyone's utility without diminishing anyone's utility... utility is what makes you feel good... so free market outcomes are emotionally satisfying... and are intuitively democratically fair... The only other complaint is wealth distribution... covered by the second welfare theorem of the free market... BI and wealth taxes. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course it is... The companies were bankrupt... they had no right existing in private hands... normally insolvency and all that side of things takes care of that... but... the banks were claiming they were critical infrastructure of the modern economy... like some positive externality or something... they should have been handed over to the government to maintain that critical infrastructure... sell off what it could, pay creditors, etc... find that core critical infrastructure... see how it breaks the assumptions of the free market... and either run it, regulate it, or subsidise it. Banks would have the choice... find a way to continue to exist... go normal insolvency or insolvency via nationalisation. Free money for failure just incentivises failure... that's why the whole thing was such a scam. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 A lot of people use the word free market when they mean the laissez fare market... or no government intervention... I mean free market in the sense of microeconomics (you can do a microecon fundamentals course online)... which means the government has a role in identifying how the market deviates from the assumptions of the free market and correcting for them... and in wealth redistribution... Ayn Rand and all those others did not seem to understand micro-economics... that externalities need to be corrected for... both positive and negative and corrected through subsidies and taxes... that natural monopolies exist (and probably have to be subsidised on a per unit basis)... that there is a role for nationalising critical infrastructure (normally things that are both positive externalities and natural monopolies)... etc... Are roads generally privately owned in the US? What do the objectivists and co say about that one? That's a good example of critical infrastructure with positive externalities and natural monopolies. Then they completely miss the second welfare theorem suggesting they think that any efficient outcome is as good as any other... ie, they would have everyone starve if one person could have a holodeck to wank in... rather than everyone be comfortable but dude get's no holodeck... Ie, they think it's okay for the poor to starve because 'free market (TM)'... whereas the second welfare theorem states that we can bring about efficient allocations where they don't. So, free market isn't laissez fare market... and as-if-free market is a government corrected market to bring about free market like outcomes and is definitely not a laissez fare market and recognises there is a role for government intervention... furthermore... I think you'll find most economists think more like this than Ayn Rand's poorly thought out philosophy. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Any microeconomics course... Any modern professor teaching this course will first go over the free market and its assumptions... well... they'll build to that by covering utility, then free trade and supply and demand and proving that the free market is optimal under the assumptions of the free market... Then they go into each deviation of the free market and how the market is suboptimal and how it can be corrected... If those corrections aren't an endorsement of government intervention I have no idea what is. So... standard mainstream microeconomics actually... not some popular, but ultimately incompatible and wrong, fringe philosophy like objectivism... what is now called neoclassical marginalist welfare economics. I am literally saying and pointing you to any introduction to microeconomics fundamentals course... though one with a bit a maths is preferred over one that uses graphics like supply and demand curves - though they are ultimately the same, the maths adds more rigour - and there's no understanding like derivation from first principles. So.. I dunno... which economists would agree that the free-est market is a hands off market except for a very particular and limited set of government interventions? Adam Smith, Milton Friedman... many others... most mainstream economists. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Mitlon Friedman on public goods and monopoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman#Public_goods_and_monopoly Just one example... He also supported a BI paid via a progressive tax with negative rates at the bottom end. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The free market exactly is a model under ideal conditions... it is the model used in welfare economics... There are only two fundamental theorems of welfare economics... the first is that a free market, under the assumptions of the free market (which we can correct for in non-ideal markets) leads to efficient outcome where everyone is better off and no one is worse off. The second second theorem of welfare economics says that we can enact lumps sum transfers (ie, wealth redistribution) to bring about any particular efficient outcome! You can call it the free corrected market or whatever... I'm not sure what economists call it... but the idea is that it is free market like after correcting the assumptions through regulation... And... like requiring a courts and other things that markets do not provide... wealth redistribution yes... requires intervention that the free market would otherwise NOT provide... which is kind of the point. I've never said the free market is self bootstrapping or anything like that. Every neoclassical marginalist welfare economist agrees with the fundamental theorems... and it is clear to all that the second one requires government intervention... and it is clear to all that correcting for the assumptions generally requires government intervention too... none of this is controversial. It all comes directly from the free market model... so... I call it the free market... welfare economists basically argue for these interventions to bring about free market like behaviour... if you want to be pedantic... call it the corrected to be free market like with wealth redistribution market... or as-if-free market. You don't even here Randians saying they want to abolish courts and use private means to settle contract disputes... so, in reality... to create free markets requires government intervention... and wealth redistribution is not incompatible with free market outcomes - it is the second welfare theorem after all! I mean... seriously... if you doubt me... just do a short fundamentals to microecon course... and see if you're still arguing along the lines that it's not a free market if the government is intervening... you'll actually realise the opposite... but you'll see which regulations are useful and which ones make the situation worse. So... there is the ideal perfect free market model... and there's everything else to bring about free market outcomes... and that's it. Arguing it's not a free market because it requires government intervention really doesn't make sense unless you've got this insane prior that says free markets have no government intervention. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Let me give you an example... One of the assumptions of the free market is no externalities... ie, everyone effected by a transaction is willingly involved in the transaction. Markets must be adjusted for externalities to be free markets... (they can't be ideal free markets because ideal free markets have no externalities by definitions... but real markets do... so you adjust them... then they are free markets, no?). You can see that murder breaks the no externality assumption... because someone's utility is being affected in a way they didn't choose (and negatively)... so you can't have a free market where people are allowed to murder... only by regulating against murder can we have a free market like outcome... or, put short... a free market requires government regulation against murder. Euthanasia on the other hand is exactly the same action and outcome, EXCEPT that those affected by the transaction have willingly chosen to be in the transaction... So, it's NOT a free market if the government regulates against euthanasia... BUT ONLY because the intervention goes against the free market (now the government is the negative externality affecting people's free choice to die). So... a free market requires no prohibition of euthanasia. Same physical acts... but requiring different regulations... if the intent (and it should be) is to bring about a free market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... a mixed economy is something else... Adam smith advocated FREE MARKETS... Which means he advocated VERY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS on ACTUAL MARKETS. A mixed economy could allow murder and prohibit euthenasia... but it certainly isn't a free market. A mixed economy could fix the price of bread, but not tax pollution... which certainly isn't a free market. No... it's not a matter of mixed economy... A free market is bought about by VERY SPECIFIC REGULATION... and mixed market doesn't describe this. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The problem you have is that TV has taught you a false prior that a free market has no government intervention... this is simply FALSE... you have to throw this nonsense away. In the ideal free market it's impossible to say murder someone or steal from them... it's in the assumptions... so no regulation is required... but to make a practical free market you have to create conditions that approximate those assumptions through regulations... Other regulations are not compatible with the free market. Adam smith was calling for REGULATION... like no slavery... His free market model doesn't suggest a free for all, privateers dueling it out to steal each others land and loot and driving men into battle under the command of slavers etc... Adam smith said a free market requires a certain environment, so it requires certain regulation... never once never did it say no regulation. That's some USA USA USA T-Party bullshit meme that regulations are anti-free market... no --- free market is CERTAIN regulations. It certainly isn't mixed economy... Mixed economy is like the government owning the post office and outlawing the private delivery of letters... it's not free market... The government can of course run a post office (public good, technical monopoly)... but others must be free to compete with it to be a free market. Mixed economy is something else. A practical free market is a regulated market... end of. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I know... I've been doing the same... and economics is really poorly covered by wikipedia... everywhere I look is confusion of terms... For example, the laissez fare market is the free market... because laissez fare proponents call it that... Last time I looked up the effects of tariffs on wikipedia and the information was a complete mess... there were two incompatible graphs of the situation... one was right... the other was nonsense... Anyway... By free market I am referring to the ideal free market model used in Neoclassical Marginalist Welfare microeconomics. On one hand, the ideal... where the assumptions cannot be broken... and on the other hand... the practical free market... where the assumptions are made true via deliberate government intervention. Government intervention that approximates the outcomes of the assumptions is free market... government intervention that breaks the assumptions or moves the market away from free market outcomes under the assumptions is anti-free market. As the lecturer said... for the welfare theorems... breaking these we call market failures... the welfare theorems no longer hold... and whenever the market fails, it is because the assumptions have been violated... whenever the assumptions are violated... the market fails... every single time. I don't think you'll find what you are looking for outside of a fundamentals of microecon course or book... but it's the mainstream economic view. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you have a few spare hour a week... Why not do an intro course? Then we'll be 99% on the same page I imagine. It's like four hours a week absolute tops for 12 weeks or so. It will totally change the way you view the world... and for the better. You'll see a just how much bullshit flies around when people are screaming free market to justify breaking the very assumptions of the free market! (As laissez faire proponents often do -- say "We don't need labels on our medicines... the free market will sort that out!", when having complete information is one of the assumptions of the free market... it's anti-free market to not have useful labelling -- Nothing in the free market model suggests it brings about its own assumptions... it's not self creating or bootstrapping or self correcting in favour of its own assumptions - quite the opposite in fact). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... you got the four assumptions wrong... perfect information no externalities perfect competition rational actors Your claim that such things are incredibly complex just doesn't make sense... the laws to bring these about are simple... you just haven't been shown the proofs. Convincing entrenched interests to enact those laws is complex... but what laws are required is really really really fucking simple. perfect information is corrected through laws against false advertising, fraud and where necessary requiring disclosure of certain details before sale. Externalities are corrected through pigouvian taxes and subsidies... simples... the difficult part is the political will to implement... who wants to tax the oil industry? Imperfect competition is corrected through laws against collusion and with subsidies... Again the solution is mathematically straight forward... it's the politics that are difficult. Don't even need to bother... This has little effect and is mostly a mathematical requirement for analysis. I mean... you say the required regulations are incredibly complex... but each of the possible problems with the market has a well known and well examined solution that are covered well enough in any intro course that you should know them. If everybody knew the possible problems with the market, and the rectifications to it... there would be no controversy... the government would just enact them and they'd be done... but because people are ignorant... and not correcting the market often benefits the wealthy... you've been made to think this is all so very complex when it isn't/ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Because externalities are not the majority of the market... Negative ones are usually easily identified because someone is being harmed by someone else's activity... Positive ones are harder to identify, but there are usually interest groups... but convincing the government to subsidise them can be harder... However... the government setting the price on 1% of the market is clearly favourable to them setting the price on 100% of the market... when 99% of the time the market is perfectly capable of setting the prices. And... yeah... there's going to be some inefficiency... the point is to minimise it... get the 1% that is the problem (externalities) 90% correct... and you're practically done. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If the rich suffer the consequences of those negative externalities... and they have political connections... then those externalities will most likely be adjusted... these are the easier ones to deal with I think. I imagine it gets much harder when the wealthy and politically connected don't have to suffer the externalties... and only the poor and marginalised do... then there is much less will to change. The problem here is that you're just throwing your hands up and saying too hard... or making it a choice between either not fixing externalities or price setting the entire market... no... just price set externalities... that's enough. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The Welfare economics page has the most relevant information... The other two are more background information... neoclassical describes how it fits into the historical and modern understanding of economics, and marginalist is how we derive and observe utility... where we get our concepts of value... but welfare economics is the destination. So, the free market model of welfare economics... is the model we should strive to make actual markets like... because this maximises well-being (in the sense of the fundamental theorems of welfare economics). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Again... the first paragraph of that does exactly describe free markets... no government intervention in price setting, creating barriers to entry, creating monopolies and all that... Actually... that's pretty accurate... it means definitely certainly not certain government interventions.. What it doesn't go into is the assumptions the free market is based on... and that government regulation in these areas does not make it a non-free market or 'regulated' market... they are actually necessary to create a free market. Having laws against fraud does not turn free market into a regulated market... though it is government regulation... it is not setting prices or creating barriers to entry. That doesn't mean there's not a role for governments... adjusting for externalities is not price setting... except on goods which aren't private... which the free market doesn't deal with because it's an assumption they don't exist... so government providing parks and roads or taxing air pollution... all quite compatible with a free market... under certain conditions. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 True... but we have no other option... What you going to do? Yell at the sun for shining too bright? Scream at the tide for coming in? It's probably the biggest insight you can have on free market economics... that someone has to actually set the price on externalities. This is the number one role of governments in free markets... to estimate and dictate the taxes and subsidies on externalities... or set quotas say on fishing, logging, pollution... or find ways to privatise the public goods. But correcting for externalities is the role of government in free markets. because free markets CANNOT DO THIS! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes it is... very difficult... command economies have traditionally had problems with surpluses and shortages... and incorrect evaluation of externalities will create over and under production of those... but it's the best we can do... so that is what we have to do... a free market with imperfectly evaluated and taxed (or subsidised) externalities will over or under produce those goods and externalities.... and there's not much you can do but continue to revise and improve. The result is going to be a lot better than trying to command the price of everything in the market... and conversely, a lot better than not setting the price on externalities at all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 One more example... Minimum wage is NOT free market... it is centrally planned price fixing... it is clearly not free market... No one, who would otherwise be willing, can legally take a job below that amount... It's distortionary. It's a result of thinking mixed economy is a solution... no... it's not. Basic Income and Wealth Tax though ARE free market... because they are the implementation of the lump sum transfers of the second welfare theorem... they don't disrupt or distort any economic activity. So, minimum wage is 'bad'... and only necessary because we refuse to do what is free market and 'good'... And you can see the effects... minimum wage was raised... and now there are McDonalds with no servers... they all got replaced by machines... and the workers who were laid off are now all worse off... BI and Wealth tax would have left the workers with enough money that they didn't require a minimum wage... and could negotiate freely to work for wages they were comfortable with on an individual level. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course it changes people's motivations and actions... what you have to understand that there isn't a single optimal outcome... but instead an infinite number of efficient outcomes... an efficient outcome means everyone is better off and (I missed this earlier and it is the actual theorem) that no one can be made better off without someone else being made worse off. The actual first welfare theorem states that a free market will reach an efficient allocation... where no one can be made better off without someone being made worse off. Distortionary means the market is distorted from a pareto optimal equilibrium... Someone could be made better off without making anyone else worse off except for the existence of the distortion... The first welfare theorem is violated. Someone would be better off without anyone being worse off if they were allowed to work for less than minimum wage... so, it's a distortion from an efficient allocation of resources. Same if we subsidise something that doesn't need it... I dunno, something stupid... say icecream is subsidised... the government will pay 100% for your icecream... this is distortionary... great if you love icecream... but there's a cost, the overproduction of icecream creates a dead weight loss... and removing that dead weight loss (ie, letting the market handle icecream)... means people can be made better off without others being made worse off. Wealth Tax and BI are effective lump sum transfers... they do make some people better off by making others worse off (explicitly, the second welfare theorem is the converse of the first)... but then the market finds a new and different equilibrium where no one can be made better off without someone being worse off... so the market is optimal again... and not distorted... the final outcome is still on the line (or surface or whatever of all possible outcomes) of the pareto optimal efficient outcomes... We just shifted the starting allocations to bring about a different efficient outcome. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... they are ongoing... of course... the are still effective lump sum transfers... There's no distortionary dead weight loss associated with them... the icecream subsidy does cause a dead weight loss... and is therefore not pareto optimal... the market reaches an equilibrium... but one where people could be made better off without anyone being made worse off... so it's distortionary and Wealth tax and BI are not. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 On maximising returns example... Suppose you had your last* $100, and I said we can play a game of heads and tails... heads I win, I keep your $100... tails you win $220... seems like a winning bet, should you take it? The expected value of the bet is $110... so it's good, no? The answer is NO... let's look at expected growth instead... 0^0.5*220^0.5 = $14... that's actually what you can expect to walk away with... And to make the example crystal clear... let's say you had to play again until you either lost or reached the $10M jackpot and bankrupted me? You'd have to win... (I think?) 14 times in a row... (actually... I think the odd situation here is that it's a bad bet for both parties!). Lets say you only bet 10% of your bankroll... Of the $100 you only bet $10... giving you the following expected growth 90^0.5*122^0.5 = $104.79.... this is a bet worth taking for a man with only $100 to his name! The exact fraction of your bankroll to bet for binomial serial bets is given by the kelly formula... The only thing that bothers me is why I never knew this in all my years doing engineering and dealing with probabilities and risk etc... it wasn't until I looked at finance (though it has it's roots in shannon's information theory!)... I bet it's covered in first year commerce and business classes though. *: Truly Last... there's some philosophical shit gamblers get into here about future expected income, etc. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Note that by betting 10% of your bankroll... given an infinite number of bets and allowing infinitely divisible dollars... you will always take the $10M and never be ruined. Whereas, maximising expected return does leave some finite probability of obtaining the $10M, the probability of ruin is nearly one... and without an exit value (ie, play forever) ruin is guaranteed. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes... but life is just a long series of bets anyway... you can't escape the iteration... even if you're only betting once... so, you always maximise expected growth (at the riskiest) over expected value. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Talking about stop iterating... The all or nothing bet clearly goes to zero... and the fraction clearly never does... but... let's say a 1c bet minimum.... at the kelly maximum you have probability of P of going to that proportion P of your current bankroll before you make the next dollar or whatever... so for $100 start, and 1c bet minimum... that's 0.01% chance you would lose that $100... if you were betting at the maximum (proven above is greater than 1.04 growth per bet)... but when you bet less than this... like 1/2 or 1/4 the maximum... the proportion goes with the square of that... so, betting 1/4 kelly with $100 would give you 1 in 160k chance of losing! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 On Deal or No Deal... It's a pretty interesting game from a gambling perspective... Assuming statistics are true... and we can't play the game 'on a case by case' basis and psychically pick the $1M or whatever cause math and themodynamics don't real... If you analyse the game, the only real decision you get to make is to accept the bank offer or not... From an expected value point of view, you would never take the deal... this is obvious because the banker would never rationally (unless he get's value from ratings or something else) offer more than the current boards expected value... he's always well within his own kelly margins too, naturally... and you see this in the game... he starts off low balling, maybe 2/3rds of the value... and towards the end offers maybe 90% of the board value... BUT... if you're not already a millionaire... there is a point in fact where you should take the offer, because it has a higher expected growth than the board... even though it has a lower expected value. So, let's say you're trane and you got $1 to your name... but you're on deal or no deal... and the board has an expected value of $20k or so, with 20 boxes remaining and one of them has 1c in it... and he offers you $100... you really should take the $100. If you do a bit of maths you can work out for a given board and offer how much net worth you would need to turn down the offer. Most people on their should probably take offers they didn't. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Either it's advertiser sponsered... or you know you're on the losing side of a bet with video gambling of any form... unless you own the gambling machine. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You might need to have $0... I haven't done the maths in years. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's funded... and is worth exactly... the future expected payments from the guy taking the home loan... no matter how many times they sell it... or borrow against it... whatever... it doesn't matter... it is actually backed by that original 'promise'. Creating money literally on the government's say so... without such backing will have greater direct and proportional effects on inflation that money created out of loans. The banks aren't pulling magic... and I've said before... get people to loan you money... and loan it out at better interest... and you are part of the banking system without all the economies of scale. The problem was bailing them out... when they made those bad bets they should have ceased to exist as private companies... The game of flipping coins I talked about below changes significantly if someone is willing to cover your losses every time you are ruined... and this does no one any good. Banks would be a lot more cautious if they had to bear the consequences of their bad decisions. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... I could write an IOU to you for $62 trillion now... and swap it with you for an IOU of yours for $62 trillion.... and we would just doubled the impact that had... okay? You see... all that money creation isn't directly inflationary because each step along the way the liabilities and assets balance out... even with fractional reserve, swaps and tricks and all that shit that multiply money are still backed by promises all back down the line... the belief in the fact that tomorrow people will be able to pay for the things we let them have yesterday... In the manner in which they are inflationary... the effects tend to balance... higher inflation rates means higher loan rates... It's a totally different thing if the government were to mint a $62 trillion dollar coin and give everyone in the country $310k a year... if you don't think that would have a direct and negative effect on the price of bread... you're just... fucked. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're right... of course... but... the wealthy don't have a lot of their value tied up in dollars... so while you are redistributing wealth... you're not exactly taking it (proportionally) from the wealthy... Which is why I keep saying that a BI is a good idea... but government budgets should (approximately) balance... so the money has to come from somewhere... and if we're redistributing wealth... let's be honest about it and tax wealth directly... a pure wealth tax. The problem with trane is that he won't even acknowledge that all the other dollars go down in value a little bit. (indexation he will now scream... quite oblivious of the howling error he has made). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... you're right... Inflation hurts savers and lenders, and benefits investors and borrows... It's a tax on holding dollars... it's not a good thing or a smart way to redistribute wealth. The solution to BI isn't so much money creation that we have to deal with large amounts of inflation... the solution is to budget it... which means taxes... and wealth tax is (in my opinion) the absolute best option when the goal is to redistribute wealth! Not saying other adjustments won't be needed... but the economy is naturally trickle up... we need a reasonable mechanism to take wealth from the top and turn it into representative demand at the bottom... then I spend my BI on McDonald's run by robot workers and we're all better off for it even without my McDonalds job! And, yes... inflation exists... so BI should be indexed to it (which it would automatically be if it was just a straight per capita payout of a percentage of the net wealth)... so should minimum wages (though BI should replace that) and pensions and all sorts of things... but indexation isn't a solution to something that creates inflation (as an unbalanced BI would!)... inflation exists, so we use indexes... but we don't want to be creating inflation arbitrarily, without control. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There's still some way to go... Hinton, in around 2006 or so... developed a kind of neural network that allowed it to generate images as well as classify them... At least with the mnist data set: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hinton/adi/index.htm This is useful, because it helps visualise what the network is 'seeing'... Now... mnist is a really simple dataset and you don't need many tricks to get it to work... but when dealing with natural images, to save space in the network... layers of neural networks that were all basically the same but looked for local features at different levels... say, at the lowest level edges and colour gradients, and at the higher levels, maybe eyes and at higher levels still maybe it's a dog at some location... These are called convolutional networks because each layer consists of cells of the same network... like a compound eye. Now... they've been trying to generate images from convolutional networks for quite some time with not so great results... getting gaussian blurs instead of sharp natural images... then they got that working... and some success here and there... but still, given a picture of a bus, it would generate what it thought was an ostrich but was clearly still a bus! This is the first time something long range sensible seems to be coming from a network trying to generate natural images. I think hinton may have included pose information... he says the current convolutional techniques (called maxpooling) throw away this information... say relative intensity (think lighting) and rotation or scaling transformation information... so, instead of having different detectors for an eye at different angles... you have one eye... but rotated... and if it lines up with a mouth that's rotated by about the same amount in the right location... and another eye in the right location given the rotations and scaling etc... it's a face... So... I think that's what this network is doing... they've added hinton's pose 'priors'... trained it (noting its performance as a classifier) and now generating images from it... BUT... when you ask it to imagine a particular thing, like banana, ant, screw, etc... it doesn't show you a banana, or an ant or a screw... it still only shows you an image with all sorts of things you would expect in an image with the right label... but all over the place... but ideally it would show you one item... and all the ways it can vary and still be that item... like in the mnist examples... So, this might be a problem with the training set... or what they've trained it on (like, it probably isn't trained to separate the item from it's background)... and kept hold of that information during reconstruction... or maybe there's still more work to do in how we do convolution... if the 'pose' information is sufficient or optimal... I don't know... The end goal would be realistic looking images or even video that describe a scene given in natural language... So, they've still got someway to go... but this is a huge leap at the same time... and I'm just waiting on the announcement to confirm that this is using something than other than maxpooling convolution (I expect some variant of hinton's pose idea). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? That depends on their training set. Pretty trippy stuff... I think this shows that there has been a few more breakthroughs in ANNs and computer vision since last time we looked. Specifically, I'm betting that this particular ANN has pose information encoded as a kind of prior in the pooling layers... something hinton was working on. Previous efforts of backpropagating the desired class to the input picture resulted in images that were barely differentiable from the original pictures... but now you can clearly see that class backpropagated to their images look 'kind of like' the things you would expect (ie, it's clearly bananas). Also, this is the first computer generated art I've been truly impressed with... everything else has been procedural or something and can sometimes do art in particular 'styles'... but man... this is like imagination. Yeah... hinton's really only working on one aspect and not general ai... Though a general ai system will require what comes out of that work. Put it this way... ANNs come from work trying to understand the visual cortex... but it's pretty much the same as hearing... it works the same way... hell... it works with NLP... and then motor skills... well the same general architecture can be used by a robot to 'learn' how to place blocks together. So, without reading the book... I'm pretty confident current ANNs will be part of the system that we come to call AI... like, for example, the neural turing machines that are coming along... that have memory and can manipulate it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's funny... in my final year at uni... we had two electives... ANNs which are like general function approximators or AI which is normally about planning... Seems to me that the both need to be combined... so, I think he's probably right about NNs not being the solution... but still a necessary part of it. For example that atari playing machine had a neural network interpreting the screen and predicted the value of the moves and generate moves according to that, and Q learning algorithm was used to evaluate the actual move value to backpropagate the move value error to the network. So, definitely, broader AI algorithms, A* and such will be used... but the actual interpretation or modelling of reality such that these algorithms can interface with it will be done by neural networks. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, I agree... A simulation of a human brain would be nice... though it would take a lot of processing power... but to actually get to AI, we should be looking at the mechanisms involved... like building a plane and not a bird. Of course, hinton's nets are inspired by biology... but they only attempt to capture the essence of the functions neurons perform, rather than trying to simulate hundreds of neurotransmitters and hormonal effects, etc... the majority of which are probably accidents of evolution, rather than optimal in any particular sense. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Link to 'paper'... http://googleresearch.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/inceptionism-going-deeper-into-neu ral.html A few days ago an image was leaked. So, I think they had to rush the publication, which is why it doesn't have much technical details on the network they used... Whatever they've done it's something fundamental... there was a big problem with so called adversarial images that really didn't look like the thing the network thought that it was, with 99.9% confidence... they seem to have overcome that... though they are clearly someway to go before they generate realistic looking images... I have confidence they are not far from it. With computer vision solved, and an understanding of how to manipulate objects to achieve goals... well... we're edging ever closer to the AI robot apocalypse. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 He's definitely a smart dude... And today he is getting to paid to work on computer vision... so he got there in the end, and firstly by proving his ideas on both simpler and more economically useful problems. Hinton will be remembered in the log files of the singularity as one of its more significant creators. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I misread Hawkins as Hinton... Hinton co-invented back prop and has been in academia most of his time. Anyway... I just watched: http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_hawkins_on_how_brain_science_will_change_computing ?language=en#t-884589 I don't see any conflict here between his approach and hinton's... neural networks are everything he talks about... for example... memory... Restricted Boltzmann Machines and their extended form Deep Belief Networks are forms of content associative memory... Hinton's turned them into recursive DBNs to recall, predict and generate sequences of actions like different styles of walking... Certainly NNs are predictive... in the ways he talked about... First we start with static images... and classify and label them... then we can 'imagine' images from the labels... then we have movies, predict movement, label it... maybe even describe it... and then perhaps even create videos from description of them. And the stuff about how the brain is mostly homogenous... directly points at stuff like NN architectures... Once again... I think we'll build a motor cortex out of NNs, a visual cortex, an audio and NLP cortex, intuitive/emotional cortex and a high level planning cortex... all out of NNs... that cross communicate to drive and respond to each other... then we'll have something like the generic intelligent machine/robot that can solve general tasks for us... like... 'build a house or make money on the stock market'. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Seriously... how cool is this? http://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPX0SCl7OzWilt9LnuQliattX4OUCj_8EP65_cTVnBmS 1jnYgsGQAieQUc1VQWdgQ/photo/AF1QipOlM1yfMIV0guS4bV9OHIvPmdZcCngCUqpMiS9U?key=aVB xWjhwSzg2RjJWLWRuVFBBZEN1d205bUdEMnhB ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think this is the approach that will get there I mean, they've already demonstrated the ability for image networks and NLP networks to share the same high level states... So, given a picture you generate a state in a high level layer, and then project down through an NLP network to get a description of it... And, the converse, given an NLP description generate a high level state, from that generate a hash that can be used to look up pictures that match that description. Now that more realistic images are being generated from high level states... you probably will be able to provide an NLP description of an image... then fully generate an imagined image from that description... probably all the way up to "no butt-like protuberances... no dogs"... though I don't think "butt-like protuberances" are part of the imagenet dataset... so, we still got some way to go. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Aggravated Sexual Obese and Leaving the Scene of an auto-felatio... are still about the funniest things I have ever heard in my life... they will forever crack me up... pure genius trolling. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fair enough... but should transexuals get paid materinity leave? Also, can they use the women's showers? Though I don't think it's worth losing your equipment for that... what about pre-op transexuals? Should I use the ladies changeroom if I identify as female? As a lesbian trapped in a man's body these issues are important to me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Usual problems with meth whores... plus I'm broke and need to get a job... Life just sucks... but no shotgun mouthwash yet... Sorry to disappoint. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Actually... if the freeloaders took over a biofilm then the biofilm would dissipate, so he says biofilms can't exist... but that only destroys one biofilm... and it would release bacterium into the environment that couldn't make biofilms... so they would eventually be outcompeted by bacterium that do make biofilms... because making biofilms is better... so that's where the mistake is... Also, you trying to relate statics with economics is just crazy... firstly about a month ago you were arguing that statics don't even real cause omg distributive load is confusing... now you're arguing economics don't real because you can imagine a zero load truss? Seriously... maths must be specific to the domain you are applying it too... you can't take a harmonic oscillator and say that's prices for ya... if you're doing economics, you do economics... not statics or something else. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's mostly just high level curve fitting and hyperplane separation... and we call that learning... clearly it's not the full picture of conciousness or anything... but hey... it's useful in all sorts of practical ways we can use today. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, LA is pretty important for ML... You could do a separate course on just LA I suppose, to get a good grounding in it... Some of the most successful large scale ML algorithms really only use dot products... but a lot of the tricky optimisers use more LA... matrix inverses.. outer products... then eigen vectors and other stuff... I'd probably recommend doing an LA course first... then dive into the ML course... or at least try and do them simultaneously perhaps... but you really can't do the more advanced ML without it. Also, hope you're reasonably good at calculus... at least enough to be able to follow the chain rule. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Vectors are like arrays and Matrices are like spreadsheets... and tensors are like multidimensional spreadsheets... Then pretty much you start defining different operators on them... mostly different ways to multiply matrices and vectors... Consider... if you have to vectors of the same length you could sum the pairwise product of each element... you get a scalar (single value) or, you could create a matrix where each row was one of the vectors multiplied by one of the elements in the other vector... and that's just vectors... I don't think there's that many operations to be fair though... basic LA is like only inner product, outer product and cross product... then the rules for how they can be applied... cause they're not all transitive (A.B != B.A)... and then inverses and eigenvectors and some other stuff... Slight possibility you might do some vector calculus too... Though I think we nearly did two years worth of it in undergraduate engineering... so there's got to be a bit more stuff I forget since then. Normally for me is working out whether it's the dot product or cross product I want... Yeah... that course will probably have you all set up for ML... then it'll just be the calc that will get you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 yeah, you're right... wrong term.. thx $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 One day there's going to be military drone swarms. Operators will be able to view the battle scene from any angle... AI will pick out humans on the battlefield, perhaps even armed ones or something... operators will just select all the targets and the swarm of drones will descend and waste like three bullets per target and everyone's dead. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I didn't look at your code... So, I'm guessing here... but is it possible you were looking for <page> tags on the start of a line... and maybe not all <page> tags in the original file are at the start of the line? Check that... looks exactly like what your code is doing... now you have to check the input file... or update your code to deal with this... or just not worry about it... it's an unexpected feature... splits file into files with N or slightly more pages... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... if I'm right... and I usually am... then you have messed up your text tag processing too... at the least you're doing is mashing several text fields into the same page... but possibly getting partials or worse oddities in there... You probably want to add everything into the page buffer and not just the text fields... that would mitigate it a bit... But really I think the problem is assuming that the tags start on newlines. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Could you try this on the input.xml file grep "^.+?<page>" wiki.xml I think that says start of a line, followed by at least one character, lazily followed by <page>. Not sure if you need shell escaping at all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The flaw is your severe lack of economic knowledge Indexing completely misses the point of the free market... that people get to set their own prices... AND that prices change as supply and demand changes... For example... computers are very large things that take up entire buildings and require a small full time staff to operate and there might be a market for up to 5 of them world wide... therefore, we shall index the price of 1 computer at $10M forever! I mean, that's reasonable... that's what people are paying for them now... therefore they'll always pay that much. No... until you at least complete a micro-econ course, you are speaking out of your ass. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course that's the effect of indexing... You're trying to say everything should stay constant compared to the index... otherwise, how is it an index? How much is a loaf of bread today is meant to be the same as a loaf of bread tomorrow, right? Well... then same with computers... or maybe the opposite where a shortage of something would send the prices high, but you want it to stay the same... You expect wages to be indexed too... which means constant... in a world where the value of different jobs actually changes... It simply cannot be done... you can't even begin to model this. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, it wasn't a 'success'... Any more than holding a gaping wound shut stems bleeding... still much better to not have the hole in you. In fact, indexation fed the inflation... exactly what I'm saying would happen... and sent it into triple digits... Although the index did enable certain transactions that wouldn't have been possible under the pressure of inflation without an index... it made that inflation worse... and was an extra headache to be accounted for in these transactions. Having said that... there are many things which it makes sense to index... tax brackets, minimum wage, social security... but you don't want your inflation to be so high that you are factoring it in when choosing between taking a bus and a taxi. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes... that's true... So, wouldn't it be possible to read the file line by line and, on the fly, gather up the contents between the page tags and process them? Kind of like somewhere between SAX and DOM? Skip the intermediate step of splitting the file altogether? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Slight problem of bias there... As a straight white privileged male... it is clear to me that we don't have enough power and we really should have more because women, coloureds and gays really don't posses the agency to provide for themselves... and thus need straight white land owners to lead them. I've experienced... it happens... you should believe what I say. Anyway... the irony is that you're not a woman in tech... and the real honest answer I believe is that the majority of women simply aren't interested in tech... though the women I've met in IT have all been very good at it... it's not generally what women chose. Given that we can't expect half of the people who want to sit in front of a computer 16 hours a day going through lines and lines of tedious code to be female... why do we expect them to have half the jobs doing that? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Expecting equal outcomes implies that women are just as interested in programming as men are... I don't think that's true... I believe there are intrinsic gender biases... men and women are generally interested in different things... and there's nothing wrong with this... as long as people are given equal opportunities to pursue their desires, equal outcomes aren't necessary. Girls tend to prefer playing with dolls, and boys tend to prefer to play with trucks... this is inbuilt, and not a result of social conditioning... it is true for children, and that likely affects their outcomes into adulthood. Secondly, why is all this equality of outcome only focused on high paying, well respected industries? Why don't we see the same push from feminists to have equal numbers of men and women in garbage collection or as builder labourers? Not cushy enough for ya? Finally... if there was a wage difference between men and women in the workforce, for the same output... the market would punish those that didn't take on women... they would be paying more the same output and would be out competed by those that didn't have that unnecessary cost. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That 30% is a payment for convenience... The business doesn't have to do as much work going through all the applicants and the applicants don't have to do as much work finding a job... Despite MDC's complaints, they provide a service, and they get paid for that service... and the cost is shared somewhat between the employer and employee, but they get their value back by the efficiencies the brokers produce... So, no... there is no distortion here... And again... if women could be provided at 77% of the cost of men AND produce the same output... they would be hired ahead of men... 30% borker tax included. As for your other argument... I guess... I just don't understand why more men don't wear bras and high heels... I mean... far less than 10% of men wear these... but nearly all women do... it must be systemic bias in our culture oppressing men and telling them what to wear. Men have always been more technical minded... and women more socially minded... in general... Why aren't we focused on making sure there are as many female mechanics as male? Why aren't women pushing for more men in nursing? It's not this way because women want to be working in these fields are excluded... it's because they don't want to be doing this type of work... It's always some gender studies hippy idiots who complaining that this is a problem... yet they won't start with themselves by reading through Don Knuth's Algorithms... No... it's the menz oppressing them... not their own interests... they themselves understand a little of politics but basically zero about science. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But they aren't... Going to a broker to get your employee is like going to a real estate agent to get your house. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Modern businesses delegate decision making downwards... that's because it is more efficient for a hundred middle managers to be making the decisions than the CEO making hundreds of middle level decisions... If it was more efficient the other way around... it would be the other way around... Again... that 30% is the cost of efficiently getting access to a larger number of potential employees... you no longer require every potential job opening to be known by a friend who just happens to know the right candidate... etc... it doesn't scale... so the broker is more efficient... And NONE of this invalidates the fact that if there were EQUALLY productive women available at 77% of the PRICE that they would get the jobs ahead of the men who cost more. It's not like MS hires the employees for Google... that would be stupid... there is indirection yes... but this indirection creates efficiencies not diminishes them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There's nothing command about it... Everyone is there of their own free will, performing their duties as per their terms of employment or contract for whatever incentives they receive... The fact that companies are made up of specialisation, delegation and hierarchical structures doesn't mean they are command economies by a very long shot... they are this way because they tend to be more competitive than individuals... but all parts of it are free market. And if your job is on the line, choosing which supplier you're going to get your particular widget from, you're going to take getting the right widget for the right price seriously... Just because the billionaire owner of the company you are working for and choosing to buy that widget for isn't actually making that decision isn't likely to make it worse... if anything... it's going to be better nine times out of ten or more. I don't know where you're getting your line of reasoning... it makes sense. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's nothing like a command economy... You have your terms confused at the very least... This is free market straight up... midmanA and midmanB are competing for the higherman's utility... it's exactly capitalism. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 In command economies... A central bureaucracy sets the prices of everything... The government literally defines what the price of bread will be and you get in trouble if you try to buy or sell bread at a different price. In terms of behaviour, everyone is just following their utilities in both systems... because following your utility is the universal truth no matter the market structure... And utility can come from political power and favours just as much as easily as it does from dollars. The difference is that in command economies you get punished for not performing your duties... there is compulsion... not participation due to your own free will... You don't just get fired... you get sent to prison... or worse. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Not even the bureaucrats are required to work at the DMV... Everyone there is there by free choice... the free market assigns work EVEN IN the fucking DMV. The DMV isn't communist russia... Although they are more like a monopoly, in that you can't get your license and other stuff from anyone else... hence the poor service... But most government service jobs are filled by the free market. You're fucking crazy or just economically illiterate... maybe you should do a micro-econ course, huh? Clear up that fuzzy thinking of yours. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Retarded fuckhead... The DMV isn't free market... for sure... clearly... their 'products' are priced by command... and there are no alternative places to get a driver's license, for example... BUT EMPLOYMENT WITHIN THE DMV IS FREE MARKET! The DMV are competing with every other company to obtain labour... They can't just point a gun at your head and tell you are going to work at the DMV for $25k/yr and be happy with it or off to the gulag with you. But just because big companies are also hierarchical like the DMV... doesn't make their decisions or anything they do a command market or command market like. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Put some stats in your outer loops so you can get a feel for the time it will take to complete... You've been whining about this forever... Also, you should add state save/restore functionality at some point... this would have saved you several headaches already. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You could split the file... Read it line by line... buffering the contents between pages... getting the title or whatever to make the filename, and spit out the buffer to a file... OR you could try something more ambitious and do something like SAX parsing... ie, event driven parsing... instead of reading in the whole file, you have callbacks for page, title, text or whatever tags... and process the files line by line still. The difference between SAX and DOM parsing is that DOM parsers require reading in the whole document before any processing occurs... and SAX parsers fire off callback events for different tags... You have to rethink your architecture to accommodate this... but the end result is normally way faster and less memory intensive. Just something to think about. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I meant checkpoints... Like save the state every hour or so... so you can restore after a failure and continue processing from where you left off. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course, if you can find a less memory intensive algorithm, go with it... but sometimes... and it does happen... sometimes you have to drop back to using disk instead of ram... though you're going to pay a 1000x or similar time penalty. Good luck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nash in Equilibrium $ That's all. Does anyone else think Nash was recruited by the CIA? I think they would have found is mathematical brilliance very useful to their work and recruited him secretly to help them... Then he started blabbing about the work he was doing, a very dangerous move with these dirty tricksters. I imagine they then probably drugged him to induce psychosis and then covered their tracks so everything he tried to show people just looked like he was losing the plot... but he really did work for them and use those drop points, etc. So, the CIA ended up fucking up one of the greatest mathematical minds of this century... causing untold losses to our world and society. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The difference was that Turing's trial was public, whilst I think Nash was probably poisoned and punked into looking like a schizo to cover up whatever operation he was involved in. That game theory maths and other maths he had would have been invaluable to CIA style operations... couldn't let that information get out, no matter what. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'll think of something $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I might be in the gutter but I'm looking at the stars. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... money should be free and worth nothing. Consider that money is a social phenomenon... and you are anti-social... therefore your concepts of money are wrong... because you cannot and do not have the interests of the neurotypicals in mind. BTC proves that you do not need government or fed or full faith thereof or any others such nonsense to create money with value... so... why don't you go and create free money for everyone yourself and see if it has any value. You can't, because you don't understand economics... You get your cause and effect backwards... you think that economists create scarcity, and physicists make the sky blue. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Physics isn't economics... but in neither case do the theories alter reality... Price is related to UTILITY and SCARCITY... scarcity alone doesn't create value... nor utility alone... air is the most valuable thing in existence to humans... but it doesn't cost because it isn't scarce... I can't think of anything scarce but without utility... something you would not want to have around, despite it being very rare... anyway... scarcity without utility would also have no value. So, you cannot have a useful but abundant money... like so abundant (true non-scarcity) that you could have as much as you wanted at any time you wanted it... no one would need to trade to obtain it... and the whole point of money is to be a social lubricant in trades... it's the abstract side of a trade, so that you don't have to match up somoeone wanting your dozen eggs and are willing to trade it for their two pints of milk... And... if you're going to write of the majority of people in your plans to change the world for the better... you're fucked from the start... we don't want your theories, because, by your definitions.. they are useless to us. Go create your own freak money you can use with the rest of your non-neurotypical idiots... oh... the problem is, you want to trade with us... you want our stuff... our food, our clothing, our houses... you want to buy it with money... but you want that money for free... which means you want our things for free... and for that, I say go fuck yourself. Your ideas have no use in society. Oh look, I just figured what is scarce and without value... your ideas. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... people farm for money, not for fun... farming IS big business... small farms are worth millions... and they still stress over the pennies in their finances even though they'll spend more than my house on one harvester thingy... No... they don't do it for 'fun'... if you want to say that we'll all be better off without money, so let's just create so much of it that no-one would ever want to work... please go away... neurotypicals don't want your kind... go off into the forest and breed with yourself. Your plan is literally to give everyone so much money that it would be worthless... if you don't like money, just go live without it... but if you got nothing to trade with anyone, don't be upset when they don't trade with you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Indexing is just admission of failure... No VRs for me... Whatever, loony. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're contradicting yourself... You can't buy a house for $200 today... but you used to be able to... inflation is a fact... and we aren't scared of big numbers... $1M for a cup of coffee... it will happen, even in the US... that's not a problem... Problem is when you get paid $500 for a day's work today, and have to pay $20k for a cup of coffee tomorrow... hyper inflation is a problem... and indexing is a failure... because the index will inflate... indexing is a band-aid, not a solution. The problem with you is, you expect a millionaire would still give a blowjob for a $20... because otherwise it would be 'greedy' and 'mean'... no, people set their own prices... as it should be... and how much money they have, and how much money other people have all affect the price of bread. Indexing cannot help with this. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I assume you've implemented drop-below in python, right? Have you made it 'easy' to implement functions in python yet? Created a standard way to import libraries, for example? BTW... I can see that drop-below is clearly some sort of function applied to all the pixels... but what does it do exactly? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The thing is... while I think it's 'cute' and all I'm not sure you have a good theory or understanding exactly of language design... What is it trying to be... a query language? SQL, btw, is a (mostly) a declarative language... is that what this is? Is it a functional language? Ie, does it even have functions? Is it going to be turing complete? Can you implement drop-below purely in mumblelang? Or anything for that matter? Or is it just a wrapper around ways to call python? Can you implement fibonacci in it? Do you want to make it turing complete? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 See... this is absolutely correct... BECAUSE drugs are forced outside of the free market by law, they are by definition, black market goods... black market goods don't have the backing of the legal system... so only criminals can supply them... and their only recourse for bad trades is violence. But bikers form gangs, the same reason that businessmen form companies... there are efficiencies to be gained by working together and specialisation of roles... N people working together in different roles are more productive than N people working independently. Every single time you have problems with the market, it is because it is not a free market... in this case, the law creates black markets... where a free market would cause far less problems for everyone. And for my argument with MI about free vs regulated markets... the drug market is a regulated market... but it clearly isn't a free market... so regulated to be (as close as possible, or like) free markets are the clear optimum economic solution... in every case. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ripple will likely fail... centralised crypto solutions go quite a bit against the grain... Also, they own like 90% of the ripples... it's like a premined altcoin scheme. Then there's the fact that they are having some regulatory troubles too... The whole point of decentralised coins is that there is no central point of attack to shut them down or control them... ripple can never become a major international currency, because some government will eventually try and control them if they become "too" successful. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I can't find that claim... I guess though they are saying they intend to only own half. http://www.ripplelabs.com/xrp-distribution/ You can see here, they created all the coins, so straight off the bat they owned all of them... Right now, the only own 2/3rds of them... That's absolutely huge amount if they ever plan on becoming a major currency... I mean... they want to own half the ripple economy... and expect to have any impact? Laughable. That's not the only problem with ripple... that's actually one of the smaller problems with it... they think they can do distributed exchange with it (their major use case actually)... but that actually has all sorts of counterparty risks... in fact... chains of unknown third party counterparty risk... No one in the crypto world seems to take them seriously... except for naive speculators... Still... have fun with it, but don't bet the house. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well, your inability to understand it has little effect on its value. Money doesn't need to be 'backed' by anything... it just has to be a means of exchange. Money is: - a unit of account (check) - a store of value (check) - a means of exchange (check) The idea that money itself has to have its own utility outside of being money is as outdated as the idea that value is the amount of work you put into something. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah and no... I mean... gold started off with people valuing it... and it has the other components... so, you can see why something with value can become money... But... something without value can become money too... as soon as anyone places any value and that is recognised... it gets value... so... the creators and the early guys thought it had value... and it did amongst them... and others see that it has value... as long as they believe someone else will value it.. it will have value to them too. As far as utility goes... that's really the key... there is nothing besides cryptocoins (and bitcoin being the leader) that allow you to transfer value pseudonymously across the internet with no counterparty risk, no intermediaries and no gatekeepers... that's huge utility... and value (price) is really utility divided by scarcity... so, bitcoin has value and is therefore useful as money... internet money! Whatsapp must have utility... isn't it a video chat program with encryption or something? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You do know that gold is highly overvalued relative to its industrial purposes, right? Ummm... yes... network effects are huge... they also tend towards monopolies... like, what's facebook's competitor? Google Circles? Oh... it's an encryption plugin for jabber? Again, network effects... but you can't see the utility in that? So, those things are different... they are useful no? facebook is def useful... at least people think so... so is whatsapp I presume? Hell... k5 is useful too... all utility. But bitcoin has network effects for sure... there can be only one! And it's useful... it has utility for the reasons I mentioned before... as a tool to transfer value... and that doesn't matter on the price of a bitcoin... it was true when 10c bought you a thousand bitcoin as it is today... and that in itself is utility and gives it value... the network effects merely amplify this utility... then there are the miriad of derivative uses of bitcoins... smart assets and such... people have been looking for a solution for internet money since basically forever... bitcoin enables that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This is called the network effect... Where every extra unit increases the value of all other units... ie, every additional facebook user increases the utility of facebook to the current users... yes... currency is the same. These are called network effects, and they create or tend towards monopolies. Which is why facebook is a virtual monopoly... and why I said there can really only be one cryptocoin... and it will probably be bitcoin... the more users, the more utility it has... as more people are willing to trade with it... the more valuable it becomes etc... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... gold is definitely money in some sense... but it's value is way more than the fact that it can be used in electronics and looks pretty... actually... it has a lot of useful features that make it reasonable money... and so it is worth much more than it's other uses alone would make it. However, things don't have to have intrinsic value to be money... you can't transfer a few cents worth of gold across the internet without third party brokers and other complications. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... I am familiar with e-gold... That centralisation / regulation problem can be a real bitch... and I think that's what BTC has solved. Bitcoin can't be regulated out of existence... no matter what... although certain regulations could have a major effect on its price, acceptance and value... it can't actually be taken away by governments (for a reasonably sophisticated user). All it takes is 1 person to value it above zero... combined with the network effect, and it has real value... that's all it takes... I'm surprised you would think it has to be backed by anything. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 M'Lady /tips fedora I bet they call you a 'gentleman' too... LOL... Are you paying them? If so, they are whores... no matter what you call them... and they probably think less of you for being so condescending too. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You'd do fine... You just keep working, post issues, and review and merge patches. You don't really have to assign work tasks, make project proposals and budgets, draw up gantt charts, and all the other things you normally have to do in a commercial setting... people will find their own itches to scratch, and leave the results for you to merge upstream into your code at your leisure... it's mostly self organising. I don't know how you'd monetize it if you don't make it open source... it would probably never become a standard if you keep it locked up, no users, no money... unless you can find application specific niches that you can sell to industry... but then you need sales and stuff like that... it'd be very competitive and a hard slog working against larger software house's offerings. If you do open source it... monetize the surrounding things... support, specialised or prioritised development... contract to businesses that use it. As a consultant who created it... you could demand big bucks! Everyone thinks their code is crappy and is embarrassed by it... on the whole, most code is crappy to some extent anyway... but don't be shy... it actually does stuff that people might find useful!! Functional code beats beautiful code anyday. 4&5 are valid reasons to open source. If you can't tell already... I think you should open source it... possibly sell support and development requests... put it on github... It's a huge plus in terms of getting work in general too... nothing like being able point to a github project and saying "That's me! I built that!"... even if nothing comes of it, it will open doors for you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 go on... but I vote for sig removal technology next. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You got a point... There's always assumptions... and "smoothing" isn't a hack... it's a legit way to estimate generalisation to your out-of-training-set data. If you knew about bias and variance this would make sense to you. The one legit point you got is that he should probably escape punctuation... like use &colon and &amps... in some way that is recoverable. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your escaping seems good... But you lose the & escape character when you generate your words... ideally, it should remain... no? words = [w for w in re.split('[^a-z0-9&_']',text.lower().replace(' ',' ')) if w] Not tested... not sure if & is special in regex... you could escape it, if necessary. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... Why don't you first try to get it into the app market... maybe even for free... for the first few downloads... Then up your price to 99c... I bet you'd see a hundred fold decrease in downloads... but that doesn't matter... because you've increased your revenue... If you get sales... increase your price to $1.99... you'll get less sales... but maybe greater revenue... maybe not... if not... you got to decrease your price... but if you do make more profit... increase the price again... it will take a few months to find the optimal price point... If you just jump in at 29.99 or even a dollar more than all your other competitors... you might not make single sale. Anyway... the only real way to tell is to suck and see... or try it and measure... just like code profiling... and seeing what your delta-revenue over delta-price is and maximising appropriately... of course, you can only do that with point samples over time... but ffs... release something first --- whatever revenue you do get you can put towards more development. Oh... did you check the number of downloads for those apps to get an idea how much each are making... ie, not just taking the price as an indication, but demand at those prices? If the 99c ones are selling thousands, but the $4.99 selling only dozens... well... you get the idea. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL --- missed that this was Del... good one $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's been that way for so many years... Now, I see why artists used macs in the day and that's carried on to today I guess... also some strange set of nerds use to love it too, cause it was ahead of windows in many esoteric ways... before linux was a thing... and no one really did open source anyway. and the iPhone was quite an evolutionary leap too... But compared to Android... as a free (either or price and freedom) or low cost software / app developer... you would be suicidal to go with Apple in any way. And the fact that you are just now realising that, is telling how slow you are. I think there's big money in porting successful apps to Apple though... or if you got big sponsors supporting you... But on your own, no, apple is a walled garden... fuck em... so get your software working on android... I know you probably won't ship it... fuck, most software I write non-commercially is never 'shipped'... it's just stuff for me... But... why the fuck not aim at that? And seriously, you really can afford to release it bugs and all! Perfect is the enemy of good! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 dolphinse.cx was available from a link on the original goatse.cx page. Ummmm... so, I was told... For science... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... I'm an engineer who got 100% in first year statics and dimensional analysis... and I ain't got no idea what you're going on about here. I wonder how all those bridges continue to stand up if the people who built them clearly got their maths so wrong. It must be circular logic hey... the bridges stand up because their maths is correct... and their maths is correct because the bridges stand up... therefore the maths is wrong, and bridges don't really stand up at all... hmmm... Do you think we could build better bridges if we just dropped the maths and used natural language instead? Ohhhh kaaayyyy then. /me backs away slowly. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 OMG... static engineering (aka civil engineering) is like some of the oldest, most tested, well understood engineering in existence today... It's all based on a very simple premise: things that stay still do so because the sum of the forces sum to zero, and the sum of the moments sum to zero. Everything else follows from there... force and moment have dimensions - relating mass, length and time to each other... and both sides of the equations have to have the same dimensions... or otherwise they wouldn't be EQUAL now, would they? And all your whining can be resolved with the above in mind. Jesus... thank god you're not important in any way... stick to the ancient greek shit... modern maths/physics/engineering is not for you. Apparently you think bridges stay up because they are well tested... rather than designed that way. What a fucking retard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... what are the units of force? I'll tell you... it's kg.m/(s^2)... sum of forces equals zero... so, whatever you do... you have to make sure your units match. It's not the maths that is wrong... and the steps follow the rules of inference from a set of axioms... It's the natural language expression of that maths (physics really)... that you are failing on. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude.... if you look /carefully/ you would notice that w is in kN/m.... it's a distributed loading... measured in how many kilo Newtons it applies per meter... like a rod... the longer the rod... the more kilo newtons applied... So, you don't even have to care about the units of force, cause they made it easy for you upfront... So, you actually start with Newtons per Meter... and you want to end up with Newtons... so you multiply by meters... and you have the correct answer (well... units, at least). Why is this so fucking hard for you? You really think engineers are using mathematics to build all these things we have in modern life... on a false basis? That just somehow happens to work? Fuck you're a special kind of crazy dude. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you have, say... a rod... which has a certain weight... you could express that 'density' (in a gravity well, mind you) as force per meter... no? Well... that's what they've given you... so, you multiply it by the length of that rod and you have total force of that rod. Call it what you like... distributed load to me would be F/m... not F... but there you go... and a distributed load (w = F/m) times a length... is w.m = F/m*m = F... Why are you so dense? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Jesus... this is where natural language is just fucked up... I said 'density'... not density... I didn't mean like actual density... I was trying to think of an analogy. Okay... lets consider a one dimensional rod... it's not really one dimensional... but so fucking close as not to matter... and so we're going to measure it in one dimension only... but it could be made of different materials... say, balsa wood... or iron... or lead... or nuetronium say... okay? got that? So... this rod... for a given length... is going to have a certain weight... right? If you want to think about it... it's going to have a certain weight... PER METER of the rod... If the rod was 1m long... and it weighed x... then 5 meter long rod, would weigh 5x... right? Okay... now... if it weighs x kg per meter... and is in a gravitational well of 9.8m/(s^2)... then it would produce a load of 9.8x kg.m/(s^2)m or 9.8x N/m... wouldn't it... That's a /distributed load... because the load is distributed along the length of that rod! As opposed to say a lead ball on a string... which would produce a point load... And here, they've given you w in kN/m... in other words, under gravity... that beam (or whatever it is) exerts a force... per meter length of that beam! So, clearly... the longer the rod or beam or distributed load... the greater the force, or simply load, it would apply to whatever was holding it up. So... it's not about how much force it would take to 'break' it... cause the rod could be of infinite strength... it doesn't matter... (not until you get more complicated scenarios where how much materials bend start to matter in these calculations... at this point, you can assume an infinitely strong, unbendable beam)... it's just how much the damn thing weighs per unit length of that beam... and therefore how much force it exerts per unit length of that beam... times that by the length... and clearly you get total force, or load, from (or on... whatever) that beam. Does this make sense yet? There's no trickery going on here... and nothing wrong with the maths... but maybe something wrong with the natural language expression of that math... and certainly your understanding of it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... the forces in the tension wires have to balance the force in the beam (normally we call them beams... not rods)... The BEAM WEIGHS (or carries a load on top of it, that IT distributes along it such that it distributes force) a certain amount PER METER of BEAM... So, whatever that weight is... it must be supported by the tension in the wires... now... the tension in the wires is at an angle, so only some of the tension from the wire is holding the beam UP... but it also pulls to the side... and that has to balance elsewhere... in another tension wire, perhaps... sometimes into the wall the beam is attached to... but the distributed load is the load distributed along that BEAM... and the tension in the wire must counteract that in such a way that all the forces (and moments) sum to zero. Are you so thick that you're still not getting it... Here's a hint... if it involves, mathematics... it's probably you that has it wrong... not the thousands upon thousands of engineers who all covered this in their first 3 months of their engineering course. And as an extension or corrollary... if it is a field that involves maths, say physics, engineering, computer science or economics... you are probably the one who is wrong... m'kay? Have I simplified this enough for you? Cause you're going to be absolutely fucked trying to work out the moment on a fixed joint holding a beam that acts as a distributed load... Moment is Newton-meters... the distributed load is Newtons per meter... and it will involve 'complicated' calculations such as integration that I think are just going to break your mind entirely if you're stuck at this level. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I must admit, I was reading the problem backwards. It's not my fucking homework... I aced this shit back in the day... Often you have a distributed load and you are working out the tension in the cables... in this case, you know the maximum tension in the cables, a safety factor, and are trying to work out the maximum distributed load the bridge can take. That's fair enough... just the other way around to what I described. You can think of distributed load as say, putting sandbags on the beam... the beam will also distribute the load from a car or person across it anyway... the distributed load would also depend on the weight of the beam too... clearly. The reason they use distributed load is that point loads could still break the bridge... take the maximum load distributed across the 9 meters of the bridge, and put it all on one end (approx 45kN) as a point load, and the force might exceed 20kN of one of the individual cables... My only mistake is working from w to F, whereas the actual problem goes from F to w... same fucking thing... If you can't even conceptualise a distributed load as, say, a set of sandbags... or even just sand... then you are pretty fucked... it's not that complicated. And, there are tricks in this question, that enable you to simplify the problem down to looking at each 1m section individually... You can do the calculation for point loads too... though, the choice of 1m sections pretty much means point loads up to the maximum distributed load end up with the same value, just different units. Got it yet? Like I said... if you're struggling here... just try and work out the moment on the joint of a horizontal beam supported at only one end with a distributed load across the beam. I find it hard you would question that engineers can't calculate those values, then measure the forces in real life and see that they are the same... as if engineers don't use these calculations to build real bridges, knowing what the forces are before they actually build the real bridge. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 for distributed load... think sand... on a one dimensional beam... whatever you're on about... you can think of it like that... If you can't work out when to multiply or divide... that's your problem... It's like complaining F = ma or F/m = a or F/a = m... and saying sometimes you mulitply or sometimes you divide... no shit fucker... make sure you're doing the right thing at the right time. Problem is with you... as usual. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Here's something else to think about... Double the dimensions of the bridge... in length and height... keep the same number of wires, and the same max tension in the wires... how does this affect your maximum distributed load? I'll tell you right now... without even thinking about it... the max distributed load is halved... why? If you double the width and height, you've kept all the angles the same, so each wire now supports twice the width... it supports exactly the same load, but that load is now spread out over twice the length... so the distributed load (in Newtons PER meter) must have halved... because the number of meters has doubled, and the total load over each section stays the same. Distributed load is just like pouring level amounts of sand along the beam... the total force due to the sand, divided by the total length... You can of course have a distributed load across an area too... like pouring sand onto a floor of a building... then you get Newtons per square meter... or kg per meter per square second. If you were clever... you could also work out the compressive/tensile load along the beam... in it's various parts... caused by the wires horizontal force that must sum to zero along the beam. If I haven't made the meaning of distributed load clear to you by now, you really gots no hope in this subject... don't worry... plenty of people don't get it. They become linguists, for example. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You might notice that it's not the maths that is inconsistent, arbitrary or ambiguous... it is the NATURAL LANGUAGE EXPRESSION of that maths that seems to have the ambiguity problem. You should rejoice! Ambiguity is what you wanted, right? When he says distributed... does he mean the weight distributed along the length (division)... or the total weight of the partial weight distributed along the length (multiplication). Hooray... fantastic that ambiguity... right? But the maths... no... any first year engineering student could work backwards from the maths to determine the meaning of the terms in context... but not a linguist... no, they flounder... cause the ambiguity they so longed for fucks them over again. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Did list comprehension gain you anything especially in terms of performance? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yep. You can never really tell until you try it. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... glad you got a solution... Also, wonder if you could have used list comprehension... I don't know if it would have been faster or not... so, instead of: for item in biginputlist: object = dosomething(item) bigoutputlist.append(object) do something like: bigoutputlist = [dosomething(item) for item in biginputlist] Just out of interest, how do they compare speed wise... if you're doing something like that? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I have a hunch this will be fast and a lot less complicated... though always fun to play with different data structures... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm not sure it does... considering you can add if clauses. for example: [x for x in y if x>0] but I bet they still have a faster implementation than for/append. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Prince of Perth Psychic Event So, in the very early hours of last night, I clicked a facebook link (I think) about the prince of perth. I thought it mildy amusing... in fact, was going to post the link, but it was time to sleep, and all that... So, this morning I went out and got myself a pastie, and on the walk was seriously wondering that I would meet the dude... like I wouldn't be surprised if he jumped out at me and said, "Hi procrasti... what's up?"... Well... long story short, he dropped one of my girls off to me today... we talked about hemp used in ford cars, I told him yes, but they still used plastics... etc... from what I'd read on reddit... I told him I read about it him that day... then... he started talking about psychic stuff... pretty much straight out... So... wtf k5, seriously, what the fuck is going on? Could some baysian statistician please explain the likelihood of such a seemingly improbable odds event occurring, say how many days per such event could you naturally expect? Is there trickery going on? Was he an imposter? Is someone using information from my internet connection? My computer compromised? Facebook super AI? Is HollyHopDrive Stalking Me??? I'm a little bit fearful of the sort of power such internet warriors can hold... Is this a setup? Or... genuine psychic, telepathic network, synchronous, satanic like greater magic... Dude was well cool anyway... Girl is super sweet... but can't keep her... I guess TRP advice would just be to tell her that she's just one of my 'plates' (lifting term... very clever) and eat her up... but every meal makes you dependent... so anyway... options were probably, to keep stoning, fuck girl, or post on k5 about weird events.... there you go... I'mma get a coffee. She's got some great tunes... and she did bring the prince for me? Right? Out of a town like 1M or so... That's the facts as I experienced them. Hold on... EVEN IF he knows me... Someone placed a link to his reddit story in a comment, in a facebook meme, from a facebook meme channel... that I read, noticed and I clicked on, and read fitjer, thought it was amusing and interesting... thought I might meet the guy (as in sensed that I would)... didn't mention anything to anyone... then met the guy that night... Just like that? If it's not psychic the implications are even scarier... that I'm socially controlled to that extent?... Like a Darren Brown mind trick... I know most write these things off as 'coincidence'... but that word just means happening at the same time... which is a tautology... It seems a long way from pure noise... aka chance. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 s/fitjer/further/ that's an odd one... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I mean something like Levayan Satanism... Or rather, disallowing the assumptions of God or supernatural... paranormal is okay, it's just reality that is not experienced often or hard to explain... Magic is just 'technology' that we don't fully understand... not that it can't be understood. So, physics, chemistry, economics, law, medicine... etc... they are all satanic in their way... not in the sense of evil, or even mythological as the accuser... just in terms of building models based on what we can observe and affect... ruling out supernatural, but accepting what is real might not be as simple as you might expect. I don't know this dude... and it appeared it was random he talked to the girl he bought round that day... how would anyone knew I read about him anyway? It's just very strange. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 As for the implanted memory scenario... Sure... but I prefer hypothesis that are testable. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Depends on the day... but I wasn't stoned when it happened... I was quite sober. What does what drugs I take alter what verifiably happens in reality... the only thing drugs could alter would be either my subjective experience, or how I express those experiences... maybe what I tend to attract? Like the Free Market thing... saying to legalise crack... doesn't mean I'm actually on crack... that's just a way to dismiss my words... and I still contend that it's not the words I use, what I say or how I say it... it's that people shut off from such topics and want to find an easy way to dismiss the ideas... ie, dude's on drugs, dude is crazy... etc... rather than spend the energy understanding the Free Market... which everyone knows is the source of all our troubles really, right? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... I don't know... Are you negatively affecting someone's utility in a way they didn't chose... in a way that has more than them just losing out to opportunities you took from them fair and square? I don't know actually know the exact mathematical precise statement about all this... no... But yeah... when I say Free Market... I do in fact mean perfectly regulated... according to the free market model... yes. It's usually pretty easy to tell who is harming who, isn't it? Sure, I guess it must get messy sometimes... no reason to throw the whole concept away... Still... do you have any examples where who has what rights and who is impinging on whom might not be straightforward? Just to give me something to think about? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Okay... It all comes down to the free market... If you are voluntarily, willingly part of a transaction that affects no one who isn't part of the transaction, and they all know what they are getting out of the transaction... that is the ideal situation... That is a pure free market transaction. Everything else you mentioned can be studied in terms of affects on utility... and the market outcomes always have less 'social surplus' than the above, free market, situation. Clearly punching someone on their nose negatively affects their utility against their will... it's the simplest scenario... we should punish those who do it... such that... the utility they would derive from punching you is no longer the first choice... ie, apply a disutility on the perpetrator, in proportion to the harm done, their desire to do it, and other calculations like how likely they are to get caught... ie, a short prison sentence or misdemeanor charge or something. Well... what about punching the air in front of their face... again... you can't directly map that to utility... but we can empathise with people... and we know it's going to be a negative utility on you... it's actually assault if you feel threatened... (some places, assault is just the threat, while battery is the actual physical violence)... either way... the same rules as above apply, you aren't willingly part of a transaction that has a negative utility on you... so, we should impose a negative utility on those who produce negative externalities... So... the free model isn't just what happens when anyone does what they want... it's an ideal situation and a model for how to correct all the deviations from it! The above examples are both negative externalities... and negative externalities are overproduced by the market... and need to be taxed to bring about socially optimum production levels (some times, people need a punch to the face!). Again... pollution from fossil fuels... a direct example of a negative externality... people's utility are negatively altered in a transaction (production of pollution, or the good that produces the pollution) that you did not chose to be part... and the answer, in these cases, is always the same... tax negative externalities... pigovian taxes specifically... taxes on pollution from cars, or factories, or anything... it is always the same... One problem is estimating how much that tax should be... there are ways around it... but a good guess is better than nothing anyway... and in principle there is an exact optimum tax, which is equivalent to what you would have to pay everyone to be affected by the pollution (or neg extern) for them to chose to let you pollute... it's hard to let 'market forces' decide this... but there are ways... or close estimates. The other cool thing is... once you do the maths... you see that you don't even have to pay those who didn't chose it... you just have to tax the one producing it... and that's all it takes to reduce negative externalities such that the goods production is now socially optimal levels. There are mostly political problems with this though... carbon taxes, cap and trade... etc... are quintessentially free market... in that they return lassiez fairre market production levels to socially optimal free market levels. It is no less free market to impose taxes on negative externalities than it would be to say that criminalising murder goes against the free market! Markets need regulation to be free markets! So, what I'm saying is... that neoclassical marginalist welfare economics, the free market model, and studying all the possible variations of it... we do in fact know what the best regulations are required to bring about free market like production levels... regulations that minimise dead weight loss... loss in utility from real markets compared to the ideal free market. and it is less complex than you think. The economists already know the solutions... the problems are political. As far as 'eminent domain' goes... It's clearly not a free market transaction... and I'd like to hear some more justifications for it... though I have an alternative that makes the whole thing moot anyway... It's a free feature of wealth tax. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah true... they both suffer from the problem that other people have to estimate your utility... and if they could do it perfectly, there would be no issue at all... an no issue with command economies either... dear leader would know what bread is worth to you, and what wheat is to the baker, and what fertilizer and diesel are worth to the farmer... So, they aren't idea... but with things like negative externalities... there is no other way (that we know of) to enable people to make these kinds of deals... in a perfect world you would know how much pollution you would tolerate at a given price and we could trade it... but that's difficult and expensive in it's own way... so, the short cut --- letting politicians decide what clean air is worth for us is the best solution we have. The thing with eminent domain is, why do we force people to sell at a price they may not want to? I'd like to see the arguments in favour of this before I say much more... But the main difference between the two, is that we can't turn the atmosphere into a private good... by it's nature it is a public good... and so requires government intervention... because there is no way to make it private. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No hold on though... One is a correction to the market to make it free market like... ie, correct taxes bring negative externalities in line with free market production levels... as if you were being paid for them. They aren't ideal in that other people are still estimating your utility... and you don't get a chance to decide... and you don't even get rewarded (directly)... but it's the closest thing you can do with a public good to make it like a free market. Eminent domain, not so much... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The point is... that for /every/ deviation from a free market... economists already know what the the fix is to bring it back in line with a free market. What more could you want? It's not that complicated because the possible deviations are limited by the assumptions of the free market! Markets only fail when one of the assumptions is violated... and there are only four assumptions! It's the opposite of complex. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's the /best/ fix we have to bring 'the market' back in line with the 'free market'... Yes... it requires an estimate... and I already pointed out that that is a limitation of the solution... I pointed it out before you did, in fact... but that's not a hidden flaw in the theory... that's a well known problem. However, it is VERY DIFFERENT to eminent domain problem... in that the first one corrects the market to make it free market like... whilst eminent domain does no such thing. I consider making adjustments to the market to bring them in line with free market outcomes to be as close as is possible to our ability to implement free markets. It's as free market as physics allows... therefore it is free market... because it behaves exactly the same. With the one caveat that the estimation for the taxation of negative externalities be accurate. On the other hand... cap and trade is a solution to the estimation problem! If we estimate how much we can produce with little effect on the environment... we can place a cap at that amount and allow producers to trade --- this nearly eliminates the utility estimation problem!... However, the government has to estimate the cap! So, it's not without problems... but if those estimations are accurate... the outcome is identical to free market production levels! We've turned a public good into a private good through cap and trade or taxation! A failure of the market has been removed... and the outcome is equivalent to a free market... I think it's fair to call that a free market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maybe you want to assign ownership to the air, and make sure you get paid when someone else's air pollutes your air... Good luck with that. I don't know what problem you got... because the solution really is as close to free market as physics allows... Your post just proves you have an aversion to thought. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You are of course right... in that estimating other people's utility is hard... almost impossible... and that's why command economies fail and market economies work. The problem here is that there really is no other solution... public goods (which means that everything is an externality) have the problem that the costs (or benefits) are not priced in by the market... So, we have to fall back to estimations of other people's utility. However, mathematically, we can show, that if those estimations are correct, we get the same result as a free market. The problem is identifying where there are divergences from the free market, and knowing the solution to bring the market back in line with the free market... It's not complex from a theoretical point of view... There are only four assumptions... plus the private/public good problem... and that's it... you cover those bases, and the rest is fairly easy. You really only have to worry about externalities, non-excludability, imperfect information, and imperfect competition... that's all you have to correct for... it's not like you have to go back to first principles and dissect every type of business operation to determine how it uniquely interacts with the economy... you just have to identify if it suffers from that small set of problems... and attempt to correct it with taxation or subsidies... or laws regarding certain disclosure or against fraud. About the only problem that remains is the estimation problem... but those estimations are a very small fraction of the overall market... so, we use estimations because we have no other solutions! I don't know what you expect to do about that... and I don't see the problem as being as complex as you do, because I think spotting externalities, and public goods problem is fairly straight forward, on the whole? Don't you? The estimations are hard though... I'll give you that... pollution seems fairly straight forward by comparison... how many tonnes of CO2 do you want to put in the atmosphere... cap it at that and trade it... and everything is pretty simple from there on in... Though judging the positive externalities of education (ie, how much should we subsidise education)... is a reasonably difficult problem... I'll grant you that again. The only thing I can say with certainty though, is that the error (dead weight loss compared to free market) diminishes at the square of the error of the estimation... so a reasonable estimation is orders of magnitude better than none. The problem is that there is no known solution to these problems... what can you do? Just ignore it and pretend there is no problem - as proponents of laissez faire do? No! I think the solution is simply to estimate as well as we possibly can... and accept that pragmatic approach that a good estimate is better than nothing... and do what we can to improve our estimates. It's not like you're bringing a better model to the table here... you don't have a better solution... you're just saying "it's hard" and throwing your hands in the air... I'm saying "It's hard, but we must do the best we can". ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maybe you're right... I don't know... Laissez faire is what most people mean when they say 'free market'... which is really hands off, and trust in the market to bring about the ideal situations, even in the face of externalities et al... which I think is absurd. The free market model is the ideal... yes... when all goods are private, no externalities, perfect competition, perfect information and rational actors... Then there were all the market failures... where, because those assumptions are violated... the market produces inferior allocations... and we see what regulations can be used to bring about free market like allocations... and they do have estimation this flaw... and I can't think of a way around that... and nor has anyone else, as far as I can tell... maybe they are the best that can be done? So... I guess I've been calling all solutions (even with their estimation problems) free market solutions.. because they bring about free market allocations (given perfect estimations)... maybe there is a correct term for these markets... and I don't know it... I'll have to find out. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nothing is beyond statistics... it's mathematical laws... In Bayesian terms... if it is operating outside of 'chance'... then that would simply mean that the variables are conditioned on other variables not yet accounted for. There is no such thing as magic, beyond simply that we don't understand how it works... yet. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No one really sets their priors at 0 or 1... really should be represented on a sigmoid... from -inf, +inf well... smoothing hacks account for that yes... that's their purpose... And I don't have prior of 1 that magic does not exist... I have a prior close to 1 that magic does exist... magic is just that which we do not yet understand... plenty of that about... but clearly things go better when things stop being magic... that's the realm of science. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't think people's priors are that close to one... If a dragon turned up outside someone's house and started talking to them... it wouldn't take many people that long to just accept the dragon... even though ten minutes earlier they would deny they could even exist... ie, people's priors are actually pretty flexible in when presented with evidence (even if they're mislead, or form wrong conclusions). The problem with the sigmoid is that off in the tail ends of it... the derivatives do approach zero... so changes based on derivatives update very slowly... ie, 0.999... does equal 1... it's a problem... but in neural networks we already have answers to these problems (various types of regularisation)... no doubt our actual minds have evolved far more flexibility than artificial ones. Anyway, I said I do believe in 'magic' anyway... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So... they're model was accurate within their measurement capabilities... and although they had an alternative model... they had no need for it, or a way to distinguish it from the one they were using... right up until they had the measuring capability... and the evidence was so far in favour of the current model that it became the dominant / accepted one? So... being a practical person... how would you suggest that they have proceeded otherwise? By accepting any and all other models that made no more predictions than they were able to distinguish at the time? It's not like they didn't also improve their measurements at the same time... contrary to your statement otherwise. The question is also in knowing where to look... and where do you find that information from? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How would you /know/ that the heliocentric model was more 'powerful'? a priori. How do you know what priors are 'wrong'? a priori. Especially when you can keep making predictions on the 'less powerful'/'wrong' model? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Not everything... just closed systems... earth is an open system... so obeys the laws of thermodynamics of non-equilibrium systems... ie, chaos. To me, it's just one of those things that shows that our minds probably operate with a certain amount of communal telepathy... thought influences reality... we know this in as much as thoughts lead to speech which leads to action... but maybe more directly... or possibly through other people... like telepathic networks. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't know about proof... A long way from proving anything... problem with matrix theories is you can't know... so, kind of untestable... I think it's proof that mind's aren't as independent as, say, psychology might assume. Maybe? Then again, I've seen some pretty weird things in my time... could be more than just human... so, maybe the substrate is bendable on a more fundamental level... like in the matrix. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The EMDrive? Real? Reactionless drive? Quantum Virtual Particle Accelerator? So, what's with the EMDrive? Is this a real reactionless drive? Is it breaking the laws of conservation of momentum? What's your guess what's going on? Is this going to be another faster than light neutrino event, or the real deal? It's huge news if this thing really works... inter-stellar travel, asteroid mining, flying cars, the works... It's also claimed that it warps space like an alcubierre drive... now that would be really crazy... Alpha Centari for breakfast in the morning, back home by tea. Well... such a hyperspace bypass might take a few decades or so to build... but after that. Is it going to Uranus? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 EMDrive http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/ http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/05/01/1929200/new-test-supports-nasas-contr oversial-em-drive What you're describing is the alcubierre drive, and some tests suggest that the EMDrive may be an alcubierre drive!! This is on the level of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... but experiments for once are showing results... it's like after years of being laughed at by scientists, it seemed an over-unity, free energy device works (it's not, don't worry)... you have to come up with physics that explains the observations... cause it clearly works like that, despite what your pet theory says. On the other hand... people had been using crystal (lumps of germainium a thin needle was placed upon in different places until it worked!) radios for years before people came up with the theories necessary to understand the semiconductor diode! Ie, if it works and we don't understand... we do recognise it, and we'll use it, and eventually we may even understand it, and unlock a lot more along the way too. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ummmm.... no.... They don't think it's heat... heat would either be in the form of convection from contact with air, or from (mostly) infrared radiation in the form of photons... Now, the effect is something like 1000 times stronger than would be predicted from the emission of photons... so, it's not that... And, they just tested it in a vacuum, so it's not convection... AND, the microwaves don't exit the cavity anyway. So, it really seems to be violating physics... at least the basic models... but there's no accepted theory at the moment how it works. I'm not even sure where we're at with superconductors atm either. Yeah, the Orion is pretty amazing... I always thought they should build one... but nuclear ban treaties and shit fucked that one up... and not so small nuclear explosions either... The Orion works better as you make it bigger too. But the orion's just old skool physics with big nuclear explosions... this emdrive is mad. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... I don't think anyone can claim to know how it works at this point... I think the next step will be to stick one on a small satellite, put it into space, and see if it produces real delta-v... would go a long way to proving it... Rather than put it on a space station that has real life people depending on it and can't afford for anything to go wrong. Once it's scaled up to something serious, and produces serious thrust... I guess either we'll work out the mechanism and come up with some good guesses on what its effects might be on people... or people will stand too close to it... and if nothing significant happens, we won't know of any long term side effects until they become apparent... you know... how we find out about most hazards... people start dying. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... all our theory so far points that the guy is right... that there has to be a propellant... So, if there isn't a propellant, then that's because we're applying 'classical' laws... in the sense, that we're looking at it from a Newtonian point of view, when it's really a Quantum or Relativistic phenomenon... Even then... I don't think effect was widely predicted by either of the other realms... if at all. Though we found the effect before the theory... that's often the way it goes... but the guy who built it must have had some insight... I know they falsified one guys theories (a similar drive), but I don't think they've falsified the inventor of this one... but there is doubt that it's correct... lol... strange huh? I think it's just like the diode effect... or magnetism even... the effect was known a long time before good theory was widely accepted for it... I think it will be like that... science is a kind of magic after all... trying to find and explain things we can't. In 100 years 'everyone' will know that microwaves in a resonant chamber accelerate the 10e-9 virtual particles that have a bias in their spin that in a certain resonant frequency accelerates them unidirectionally before they are annihilated creating virtual momentum that distorts the local space time and appears as classical 'thrust' to an outside observer... or something similar... but it's limited by Trane's External Quantum Thrust Efficiency Ratio. The cool thing, if it's an alcubierre drive... there may be no acceleration felt by those using it... You could accelerate at 50G and feel nothing. Whatever it is, I so hope it's not a mistake in the experiment. It's huge news if the effect is real. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I dunno... aren't dilithium crystals in the warp core? I always thought they were a power source, so they'd be the power generator, like nukes... in which case they'd go outside, to generate energy to feed into the microwave resonator... but I think the cannon is that they actually produce the effect... maybe they're a high source of these biased virtual particles? in which case they'd go inside the resonator... maybe they release energy too... so, I'm not 100% sure if they go in the chamber or not... sorry... I dunny know the laws of roddenberry physics captain. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Whatever is causing the force working out how it works is going to give us some cool insights... momentum to quantum foam, or warping space time... or even something a little more mundane... still so very cool if it's real. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... I know at least that cassimir forces are well accepted physics now... even used in some mems thingy I think... And that gravity one is a spinning charged superconducting disc or something... gravitomagnetic affects were measured... (not change in gravity itself, but something akin to magnetic force coming from moving charges... but with gravity... supposedly... I don't know...)... not sure where that stands at the moment. As for it being an alcubierre drive... apparently they ran a michelson-morley interferometer type experiment inside the chamber or something like that... and measured results that were compatible with it being an alcubierre drive... supposedly... It's mentioned on the nasa page and on the alcubierre drive wiki page, you'll find a link to the interferometer emdrive experiment in the see also links... don't think you can rule it out just yet. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't know... My friend Maxim Polyakov theorised that maybe particles could be made up of 5 quarks, instead of 2 or 3... and did the maths, predicted the pentaquark, designed an experiment, and showed that it existed... So... you have to do something like that... You have an idea... does the maths check out? ie, does it fit within the standard model, or doesn't it... either way... you have to make some predictions... how they would behave, how you would create them... what they would look like... etc... then design an experiment to test the predictions... then run the experiment and look at your data... Who knows... maybe particles with imaginary charge behave differently to normally charged particles in a microwave cavity thing... maybe they accelerate and don't recombine? I have no idea... the maths is beyond me... but maybe not for you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Don't forget the poll!!! %%% $$$ (text) Missing option: UrAnas ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Properly adjusted for time at work... (hopefully including time seeking work too, I guess) women earn almost identical amounts to men... This is a stupid topic... equal opportunities, not equal outcomes... anything else is just buying into SJW bullshit... There's no reason to expect as many male nurses as female, nor as many female engineers as male... or anything you can think of where there is a imbalance... as long as the job is filled by those with the best skills for that job, what the fuck does it matter what you have between your legs, or more, what your skin colour is, what religion you are... and for the given job, how good you are socially, how good you are technically, how much you can lift... why do we expect the genders to fall equally along those lines? As long as opportunities are equal, it should be good... requiring equal outcomes is a distortion. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It doesn't even matter... as long as she had the same opportunities as a man. Now, the name on the paper thing seems like a kind of discrimination... but was the discrimination based on gender, on contribution, another factor or just luck... you can't take anecdotal evidence like that and extrapolate it entirely... only if you measured this could you find out if it was purely discrimination based on gender... in which case it would be a violation of opportunity. Whether women earn as much as men is completely irrelevant... if they were cheaper than men for the same output... they would be hired more often than men by the market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 old joke, well executed... Alright... I know... it's ocd or something... but that's actually what we economists call rational utility... just in case anyone thought otherwise. Still... well done. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Thanks for mentioning me again... I reply to anyone... but you're obsessed. Thanks for sucking my k5 horsecock. Toodles. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's a UK company, and over there they are all Hard Bodied Beach Gods compared to the average UKian. Even the chick. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You should be allowed to smoke in a park though $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You know ants are cooperating by default... One nest works as a single organism in many ways... As the nest is generally the level on which reproduction occurs. Generally workers don't reproduce... their only function is to serve the nest... so it's kind of a cooperation... maybe like the way cells in our body 'cooperate'. Being independent decision makers, individual ants can also be analysed using utility theory... clearly workers don't make money, and get little reward for the work they do, no extra food... and there's no reproductive benefits either... but evolution has shaped their utility functions such that they operate in the best interests of the nest, rather than themselves. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, ants often do that... You only noticed it after you saw the doco. There's a name for that effect. but if one ant is making progress... the other ant doesn't need to help him... if there's a big juicy bug or something though... they'll work together for that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, I'm lying about ants... I've never seen ants cooperating to drag a spider or snail to their hole... I'm just making it up to trick... Good catch. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The standford econ professor laughed at the whole concept of splitting monopolies up... He said it's what governments try and do, but the end result is always the same... they just reform after time. Now, I'm a a bit fuzzy on this, but the solution seemed to be to per customer serviced subsidies given to the provider... I wasn't sure if this was to be paid only to the monopoly's competitors or to everyone... and it still seemed very costly (large DWLs)... Is there a case for maybe nationalising monopolies? Could the government provide an at cost service but left others free to compete? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, I really don't think so... I don't think anyone holds large reserves of cash, do they? I mean even cash equivilents you might call money... If you had said that wealth attracts wealth... then we might have had a conversation on our hands... Still... not all things become monopolies... it's not in the nature of the free market that monopolies shall arise... it's a certain set of conditions, such as barriers to entry, network effects, large upfront costs with small per customer costs... I see these as two seperate problems. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, wealth is more than money and equivilents... MS Windows IP isn't money... optic fiber isn't money... facebook customers aren't money... these things are nothing like money... but are part of a companies wealth (which should be reflected in the stock market). but anyway... I figure by now you mean wealth. yeah... you can't point at monopolies as proof that markets tend to monopolies though... especially then point out all the special conditions that enable them. technological leads also tend towards monopolies... patents are short term granted monopolies to spur innovation though, and I agree with that idea... so, I'm not sure where I stand on the discriminatory cross licencing situation... Walmart seems to be a monopoly too? Is it really? It would be interesting to work out why it is... and I don't think a profit maximising company should be forced to pay anything more than market wages (that doesn't exclude min wages, btw... some people just aren't employable)... Anyway... while I don't beleive that the free market in general tends to monopolies... I do beleive that wealth tends towards wealth... which is why I say wealth tax and basic income... though income tax would have to be adjusted too... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The distinction is important especially regarding the wealth tax / basic income debate because... you can print money, but you can't print wealth. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You can print money by putting bigger numbers on it... That's nothing at all like any form of IP... each work is individual and not fungible... I don't even know how many MOPIs there are in a Lord of the Rings... and the whole thing is just so different as to be an absurd argument. You can't just add lines of random words and expect to have created wealth... but with money it's about that simple really. Are you being obtuse, or do you really beleive they are the same thing? As for widgets... and factories 'printing' them... that's because widgets have their own utility... print a billion widgets and society is about a billion widgets better off... but money has NO (or very little) utility EXCEPT for its value as money (medium of exchange, unit of account, store of value, standard of deffered payment), so printing billion dollar notes doesn't make the country a billion dollars richer each time... because money has utility as a whole system... the best you can do is redistribute who holds money (affecting debtors and lenders too). You got to get the equivilence distinction out of your head if you want to think of this stuff seriously... wealth can be valued in terms of and traded for money... but in general, they are two very distinct concepts. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 $250 USD... I'll stop posting until May's stats are out... There you go... obviously it has utility to me... but only cause I like to get concepts across... it's not about posting stats... surely you get that's a joke, right? Okay... fine... but then he was all like... well you can print wealth too... obviously not really looking at how these are fundamentally different... You know... yeah, I might sound a bit pedantic and such... but I want other people to understand this stuff for a few different reasons... but to sum up, it's a damn good argument against prohibition and I think it's time we implemented something like a wealth tax and basic income... and I think if you're going to advocate stuff like that, you better understand the fundamentals. So, yeah, I did know he meant wealth... but I wanted it stated explicitly... and then we still see that there is a confusion there. Fundamentally though, you can't print wealth... you might be able to create money out of thin air, but you can't create wealth out of thin air... it's something trane has fundamentally wrong with his approach. Although budgets don't have to balance exactly, and governments can afford a large amount of debt... the fact is that at some points debts really do matter... so these things have to balance in the long run... if not through deliberate action, through harsh economic reality impossing itself. Also, remember he was replying to a question I asked of Hacker Cracker... cause that dude is quite smart on econ if I recall correctly... and I wanted to know his thoughts on monopolies... to which LR came back with all this 'wealth' attracts 'wealth' stuff... which does happen, but I think is an orthogonal problem to monopolies, and I don't think monopolies are the natural end product of a free market... I just think they exist under certain conditions. My appologies for trying to be precise in my understanding of the world. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It was money... and the whole package is what gave it value... so, not as simple as just printing money... put it this way... the total USD value people sold the money for would have been roughly equal if he had printed $1 bills or $1B bills. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... all that is true... as far as it goes... His 'money' probably had some sort of value purely as a curiosity.... I'm not saying making new currencies can't add value... you know how much I'm into bitcoin... that's a new currency that creates value... and has value... it is created value... What I'm saying is, that for an existing currency, adding more of that currency has little effect on the overall valuation of the entire pool of that money... so, all the USD have a market cap (say, in terms of gold you could buy with it)... and if you multiplied all the USD by 10... or dumped 9 times that amount into the economy... the entire sum of all the money would still buy you only the same amount of gold... If every USD was suddenly 10 USD... everyone would be exactly where they are now, but bread would cost $10 instead of $1... this should be almost trivially obvious to anyone. So, BTC is new, and creates value, and has created wealth of sorts... but it's market cap in total isn't really altered all that much by how much of it exists... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 3600 Bitcoin a day are created... You can say whatever you like about how they are created... that the total number is fixed or whatever... but we are making 3600 BTC every day that didn't exist the day before... And the entire BTC market isn't magically worth 3600 BTC more everyday... the entire market cap of BTC changes on the laws of supply and demand... so the value of creating these BTC really comes by slightly devaluing all other BTC (say 3600/12M roughly)... You can print money, but you can't print wealth... it's not that hard to understand, surely? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, a free market cannot even have monopolies as defined... an otherwise free market without perfect competition is not a free market... but a lot of people tend to think that monopolies are the natural end result of all capitalism... as if just one dude would end up owning literally everything on earth... and I don't think the market works that way... I think monopolies are the result of a confluence of a very specific set of circumstances, not a natural end state. You see them crop up where there are high entry costs, low and decreasing per unit costs and network effects... so power, water, gas, telephone, internet... but not so much with wheat, barley and sugar... wealth concentration is something very different... I think it occurs wherever there is rent seeking... but even with highly concentrated wealth, you can't extract the kind of money (utility) you can from a monopoly... as long as there is real competition, that's all you need to keep it in check... monopolies are just really awful compared to free markets... but there are solutions... it's just that solutions sound crazy to the layman... just as crazy as breaking them up sound to an economist. I mean... lets say comcast is a monopoly... and the solution would be to continue to let them charge what they like, but the government will ALSO give them an extra $1000 a year for every customer they have... sounds crazy right? but if that turns out to have the lowest dead weight loss... then that is the right thing to do. but these are technical questions, and I was hoping someone who knew more than me would help... for my own understanding... Yeah... so if I'm going to spout on about a thing I should really try and understand it as best I can... so, I'm not just blindly running around saying free money for everyone, challenges, debts don't matter, give everyone a billion dollars and the world will be right... cause I'm pretty sure it don't work that way. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... I think I discussed all of that above... The only thing is about IP laws... yes... they are temporary monopolies... I think copywrite and patent law are great things... but the whole point is temporary monopolies... 25 years is plenty of time to extract your value... at that point it should be public domain... There should be all sorts of remixing of songs that were new when I was a child... all part of the public domain, free to build on top of... all for the advancement of the arts and sciences... but money (wealth lol) does what it does and circumvents these systems for its own ends. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yep... would be much better, right? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... this is the basic income site... so this is where I preach, learn and teach... (joke, but with truth). HackerCracker is actually way smarter than me on economics... which is why I asked him the question... but if others are going to jump in with their sage advice... I might have to argue some more points along the way. Now, you're right that monopolies are NOT failures of the FREE MARKET... they are failures of THE MARKET... and markets fail by not being FREE markets... get it? And monopolies are rather egregious failures of the market, in that we lose a lot of the normal social surplass that a free market generates. So, economists don't really study FREE markets as such... they are mostly interested in market failures... like monopolies... We study free markets in as much as we PROVE they are the optimal form of market... then we study markets to see how they DIFFER from FREE markets (and they are always worse)... then we look at what can be done to a market to make bring it closer to a FREE a market... and we look at the resulting dead weight losses (loss of social surplass compared to a free market)... Now, here's the problem with economics... laymen think they have a fucking clue about the topic... that's probably the biggest problem with the whole subject.... idiots will say, look how good breaking up these monopolies worked... we should do more of that... and the answer is just fucking wrong... Sure, short term situation is better than having a monopoly... and there is no arguing that... but it requires messy, industry specific regulations, enforcement... and the tendency is for the monopoly to reform anyway... and those regulations are costly, and innovation is lost compared to a better solution and because there is more dead weight loss than the better solution. And the better solution is to subsidise the industry as a whole!!! Which means we are going to have the government pay monopolists for their services beyond what they are already getting out of the market ---- which sounds fucked to your ears, right? ---- BUT we are also going to pay that to anyone capable of supplying the service... so it will increase competition... and this overcomes the effects of the monopoly as competition forms... Now, this might sound counterintuitive to you... but that is the reason why we use mathematics, and not intuition... because sometimes the counterintuitive answer is the correct answer... The result being, that if AT&T and it's competitors (such that they existed) had been subsidised on a per unit supplied basis --- you would have had all those benefits you mention and more... mathematically because that generates the most social surplass... There would have been no need for possibly innovation stifling regulation, and no fear of the monopoly reforming... and so on and so on. Now, the main reason I started this thread... is that it still sounds counterintuitive to me... like it did at the time... but the maths seemed to check out... I just haven't studied it enough to change that to an intuition... so I am check with HC on that... okay? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude,,, I'm not arguing /for/ monopolies... I'm acknowledging their existence, and looking what is the best thing to do in the presence of monopolies. Claiming that 'monopolies are anticapitalist' is just meaningless in terms of free market neoclassical marginalist welfare economics... producing socially optimal outcomes and minimising DWLs are what we care about... not political soundbites and cheering. Now, "all kinds" of subsidies are clearly wrong... and maybe that was the problem... specifically you pay 'per unit' subsidies only... say a subsidy for every customer connected, a subsidy for every phone call made... not... here's $30M lump sum to appease you... that kind of subsidy doesn't do shit! Now, when you talk about granted monopolies, like you said... you advocated subsidies... and that's all good too... there are other solutions to that... but I'm not even talking about that case... can analyse it separately. For all people cry about 'necessity', at some point it doesn't make sense to run one cable 500km to service one person, no matter what you say. Just in general... it makes sense for the government to provide per unit subsidies. Okay... check this... imagine we decided that MS really was a monopoly in the desktop space in 1990... The government could pay $20 to anyone who supplied an OS on a desktop for sale... Now... the effect from MS would have been to LOWER their prices and INCREASE the quantity supplied... and imagine RedHat was getting $20 for every one of their installs too!!! Now, for you to say my maths is right, but the reality is wrong is to imply that the theory must be incorrect... that's a bold claim, really... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I probably shouldn't have called you an idiot either... I'm just saying there's a huge problem with lack of economic knowledge... which means people instinctively do the wrong things... or let governments and media owners sell them the wrong 'solutions'... and it's cause everyone thinks it's obvious. If the maths doesn't match reality... something must be going on... I simply think the wrong subsidies... or wrong amounts of the right subsidies... If you claim the model is wrong... do you have any idea how hard that would be to demonstrate... to find the flaw in the model? I mean... I've been searching for quite some time... what's the magic trick? I mean, mathematically explain AT&Ts behaviour GIVEN the levels and types of subsides they were given... do we see prices and quantities that match our models or not? There has to be something more going on besides company costs and profits and consumer resources and choices, right? Now, the last thing I can think of... were you all just being greedy? Expecting fiber to the house before telephones were even working well? Do just prefer the illusion of choice, coke vs pepsi, but at the (real and hidden) cost of a decade or more for fiber to reach you if what blaster says is true? Viva la Free Market*!! *:Not available in stores. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Utility isn't just selfish self interest... So, it's not that... it's certainly not 'irrational' with respect to the free market definition of rationality... I really don't believe in anything beyond business costs and revenue, consumer resources and choice, and government intervention. You'd have to pull a variable out of hyperspace to add something to the model here. If the government nationalises a monopoly... that has certain outcomes too... My assumption, at this stage, is that reality actually does match the models... but the optimum government interventions weren't taken... and furthermore... that while breaking the monopolies up may have been an improvement over the status quo, it was a sub-optimal one. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Here's what I'm talking about... http://youtu.be/u47TdJzRAWk It sounds crazy, but the maths checks out. You see, the fact is that this seems really counter-intuitive, but really is the correct answer... Just a quick recap... the free market is the market with restrictions... the free market is optimal (in some sense of social utility surplass)... while the market is just everyone maximising their utility, no one cares about social surplas, only their own utility... so monopolies occur in the market, but we can bring about free market like outcomes by subsidising them... woah! dude! I think there are a few caveats... that the government has to estimate a chunk of utility... that problem shows up in a lot of the fixes to the market... no one really has a solution to that, as far as I can tell... what we do know is that a good guess is way better than nothing. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also would have to really look at the DWL of this solution... cause the subsidy is effective DWL... and also where the social surplus falls (to the consumer or the monopoly)... but that's not as important... This just means you get the optimal social output... the same price and quantity that a free market would produce... and I'm still not 100% sure that's equal to the minimum DWL, but it might be... and that subsidy still has to come from somewhere... a tax on something else... So, monopolies are never as efficient as free markets... but sometimes are the best a market can do. It doesn't make sense to run a dozen different parallel water pipes through a town. Also, looking at it now, I see it has nothing to do with competition... but you subsidise those as well... This is very different to my idea above of just subsidising the competition... which probably wouldn't work, despite the intuitive appeal. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Seriously dude... I got a better grasp on this subject than you do... so it looks like the educating I have to do is educating you. Of course all wealth has a market value... You can of course sell all of those things (well, facebook customers was an odd one) for money... but that's not what I was saying. Where you're wrong is that money is something more than just wealth, it is a: - medium of exchange - a unit of account - a store of value, and - often (but not always) a standard method of deferred payment You can't just trade meters of optic fiber... or lines of Windows IP... So, while most forms of wealth have a market value for an equivilent in say dollars... they really aren't money at all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, wealth is the right term... Because wealth goes beyond assets... in economics, wealth goes beyond things that an accountant would consider... though in laymans terms, you might say something is an asset that wasn't strictly one... say, having good friends. Though assets are a good example of wealth... and you're otherwise correct, generally speaking. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Post office is a good example of what I'm talking about... Though not sure why the post office would be a monopoly... though I think of it more as an essential service or critical infrastructure... a free market approach wouldn't get letters to places that are uneconomical to deliver too... but the value of having a system (in terms of positive externalities) makes it worth while for the government to provide. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If it is its own reward... that means utility $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Because mathematical functions only return a single value... Trane is just fucking retarded... this is so fucking stupid it makes my head hurt but laugh at the same time. So, the sqrt function is defined as only returning the principle or positive root... Now, we usually write y = +/-sqrt(x) in math equations... but only if we know the result could be positive or negative... sometimes it simply can't be negative... but there you go... and it really is a shorthand for... y = sqrt(x), OR y = -sqrt(x)... It's a shorthand for saying there are two possible values of y... but Trane... being a fucking retard in literally everything... has written AND... that doesn't make any fucking sense even from a logical point of view... y = 2 AND y = -2 is fucking stupid... but y = 2 OR y = -2 is clearly okay... whatsmore is that using OR would make the LOGIC work... rather than just pretending maths doesn't exist and doing regexp string substitutions. ie... y = plusmorminus(sqrt(4)), gives y = 2 OR -2 y == -2, becomes (2 OR -2) == -2 (2 == -2 OR -2 == -2) (FALSE OR TRUE) TRUE Do it his way with AND and you get y = 2 AND -2 y == -2 (2 AND -2) == -2 (2 == -2 AND -2 == -2) (FALSE AND TRUE) FALSE So, the magic of regexps is that you can substitute anything you like at anytime... just as I can write 2+2=5, but that doesn't make it so. I'll bet he puts up the same thing in another day or two... completely forgetting all of this... fucking troll or retard? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The reason we use utility... along with the rest of the free market model is that it says (mathematically) that we should be able to do whatever we want, as long as we aren't harming anyone else. I can't beleive you (or anyone with half a brain, okay maybe not you) would want to argue against this result. Now, when you COMPLETELY READ MILL... and have finished his treaty on Utilitarianism AND On Liberty... you will see that he is saying that the ascetic does not do anything for SOCIETY... His utility TO OTHERS is basically Nil. But, it must have utility to the ascetic, otherwise he wouldn't do it... You will have to finish On Liberty to see that he implies this... No man knows what is best for a man but himself. If you read the quotes you quoted earlier, it says: "The utilitarian morality does recognise in human beings the power of sacrificing their own greatest good for the good of others...". Get it? IT DOES FUCKING RECOGNISE... IE, it EXPLAINS IT... not... Yeah it happens, but it has nothing to do with this theory, we can't understand this type of behaviour but we don't like it... it says it fucking does recognise. Now, why the fuck you would want to bash on Mill is beyond me... On Liberty and The Free Market are about the ONLY reasons I can see to Legalise Crack, Meth and Heroin... The current state of affairs is ANTI-free market... Because drugged up workers aren't efficient workers... they are people (people who use the wrong drugs) who might question the status quo and rock the boat... Using drugs benefits no one but the drug user!!! And you know what? In a Free Market, or under Mill's theory of Utility... that's fucking fine! If it benefits no one but the one chosing... it benefits society!!! As long as you aren't harming others... Cause it's up to the individual what his utility is... The prohibitionists have no right to save you from yourself... They can warn you... but they have no right to stop you.* But ONLY under utility theory do we have a good philisophical basis for this. To argue otherwise... well... you'd probably have to come up with a philosophy that no one agrees with... something stupid... something like trying to define sqrt(4) == -2... which is wrong... by definition... sorry that you hate definitions... but you should have done work on the plus OR minus operator instead! *: THIS IS SO FUCKING CLEAR IN MILL YOU WOULD HAVE TO EITHER BE BRAIN DAMAGED OR COMMENTING ON IT WITHOUT COMPLETING IT FIRST TO MISUNDERSTAND IT. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... Mill would thank you for your opinion... take it under consideration, and then tell you to kindly go mind your own business. Me too... except... it would be hard to cut down on something I haven't used in a decade. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I FUCKING LOVE COCAINE!!!!!!111!!1!11!ONE!!!! I know... But taken seriously by who? I don't think anyone here is not reading my comments because of my style. I like this style of writing too... I mean, I've written so many hundreds of pages of technical documents in my time... so dry, proper sentences... no elipses... this is for fun... and I kind of like the yelling / ranting tone... I think I caught it a bit off of CTS... It's a good philosophy for random online forums. It's a good tone for when you just can't get through to some fucking retard... and you're also conveying your frustration at that fact. Though I notice people on Reddit are more shocked by it... like they think I really am some uptight, angry, frustrated fuck... when really I just like writing like that for effect... I also think it's kind of funny in it's own way too... of course the mods step in too, wanting to make the place as 'friendly', ie banal, as possible. Besides stats prove tdillo swears more than I do... though I know you mean more than just that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't really remember talking too much about macro... But I think to deny micro is fucking insane... Yet, I am SO hoping for a decent argument against it that isn't based in ignorance... but maybe fractures somewhere with it. So... I mean... let's say you were arguing that 2+2=4 to a crowd of morons that just stubornly refuse to get that... how would you come across? So, the real problem is, how do you tell fact from fiction? I dunno... study? Do you trust the economics department or the marketing department more? Style over content to these morons then... so, maybe 2+2=5, could we agree though that it's maybe a bit smaller, like 4.9 or something... I dunno? plusorminus 0.9 perhaps? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Jesus Christ Man... That's Insane Why are you corrupting the holy sqrt function with this discusting barbarity? what is 4*sqrt(4) to be? Can you do my examples above? With a plusorminus and a plusandminus? Is it that capable? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 As long as you know you're program is wrong... It's a pretty cool example. Difference is Trane doesn't know he's wrong... he's trying to prove -2 == 2 remember... would be cool if you can do sqrt, plusorminus and plusandminus... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 if or is +, then and is *? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think I see what you're doing now... It's not an or, and it's not an and... it's more like a list you can do aggregates on... so your equal function has returned that the statement is 50% true across your all cases... normal case would be either 0% or 100%, but if one in five matched, it would be 20% true... That's fine... I suppose... it is what it is... Where the formal logic approach would return either 100% or 0% true across all cases... depending on whether you were doing an or (boolean addition) or an and (boolean multiplication). It's easy of course to turn your value into a boolean and/or function... "and" is true if the truth value is 100% else false, while "or" is false if the truth value is 0% else true. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah.... so it's a (normalised) weighted set I figured you could do that too... I could see that being useful to something like baysian networks... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Given you have an infinite label space... very sparse vectors. I added the 'normalised' in brackets... cause it seems you automatically normalise results. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 As cool as sparse matrices are... You know they're already built into scipy, right? Though labelled vectors (and matrices) are interesting... Any thought on the ordering of the replies-to matrix yet? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... it's a cute language... I don't know much in terms of your domain... Though I notice that languages either try to be turing complete (like anything from proceedural, functional or declarative)... or provably not turing complete (mostly data definition languages, like yaml or json)... I'm not sure where you fit on this line. If you do a lot of vector and matrix operations, numpy and scipy might be interesting to you. Well... I guess you have a way to define operators in python too... so, you could always write a program to find the optimal ordering? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... if the user can import their own python functions then it's turing complete because python is turing complete... even though the operators you've added so far might not enable turing complete calculations. The reason it is usually important to make sure your language is not turing complete is so you can make proofs about it, like knowing that reading a data file will complete. If it's turing complete, you can't prove that... it could loop forever. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... is that a problem you need a full turing language for or not? I don't think query languages are TC in general, are they? I'm not 100% sure... Though they may chew through a ridiculous amount of resources, they always complete, don't they? I'm thinking SQL, for example. Then again, if you can't solve the reply-to ordering problem in your language, you have to ask yourself if it's the type of problem you want your langauge to solve, or do you explicitly drop down to imported functions? If you can't do branching, recursion, or iteration, you don't have a TC language. Though, if people can import functions, they will almost certainly find a way to extend your language to be TC anyway. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Let Gay People be Gay... It doesn't affect anyone else... there's no negative externalities... Why is everyone so concerned with the concerns of other people that don't concern them? This is a really bad human instinct we have to learn to get over. This is the core of the free market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your gay marriage is ruining the sanctity of my fourth marriage. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your code is no better in any way... You have to come up with all the alternative spellings BEFORE your program will recognise them... EXACTLY the same as mumble's code... If he added bilchcoin to his list of words, it would find that too. I mean, you (and I mean specifically you, cause you're stupid) can't write a program to find alternatives to bitcoin automatically... you could tell it bilchcoin is also bitcoin, yes... but it would fail completely to recognise $hitcoin as a synonym... For that, you would need a higher level of AI than you'll ever be capable of writing. Remove the log from thyne own eyes... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why don't you go ahead and do that... while mumble writes a terse and useful little language that actually gets the job done today. You know... free market... you get to do what you want to do... and mumble gets to do what mumble wants to do. The main difference between the two approaches, of course, is that his approach is working right now, returning results, and making people happy (providing utility). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 My Bitcoin will be worth something? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Governments will keep infrastructure running... More or less no matter what... My house will still likely be my house... for example... I'm not anticipating the apocolypse... just an economic crash that will leave many people unemployed and in financial ruin. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What's wrong with a Free Market? Yeah, sure... post a diary if you like... Of course, the question is specifically what is wrong with FREE MARKETS... not the US financial system, or US capitalism, or US markets in general... It's just that you're teh kind of idiot that doesn't know what a Free Market is, and equates it with whatever fox news tells you it is... then attacks something that isn't a free market as being the problem with free markets... Like if I asked what is wrong with Socialism, you might answer that Stalin's Gulags were inhumane... and you'd be right they were inhumane... but wtf does that have to do with Socialism? But give it a go... I'll let you know if you're that type of an idiot... I'll just wait for you to prove it first. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How come I out-mania MDC? I don't think I mention that word that often. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think you need another level here... Like a new module that imports both of these and adds your new function or class. You almost certainly need a new module, one way or the other... your other option is to move the required function or classes to another module and import that into these two... Either way, new module, almost definitely. PS: Have you put any thought into the matrix ordering, to get the numbers to go along the diagonals? I can't remember the formal name for this. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Even if they aren't python modules... and are modules in your language... The problem is generally the same with circular dependencies... create a new module that the two circular modules import instead. I got no idea about how your language rules work with modules importing modules though... that's your problem. The matrix thing I mentioned here: https://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2015/4/24/7393/79913/36#36 It's probably not exactly like I described... but something very similar. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 https and autoformat hey http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2015/4/24/7393/79913/36#36 ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Get over it mumble... I can't even remember your real name... Garry was it? You haven't said anything that controversial here, have you? You seem like a nice guy all around... You're name's already on the internet... they just don't you're also mumble... It is pretty cool by all accounts, like you could show us the table generation scripts... Oh dude... I got such a great idea... can you urlize them? So, you can have a link with an encoded script that outputs a table on demand? Anyway, personally I think you could go public with little repercussions... I don't think I'd say the same for me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This doesn't change April's standings... Total Word Count wasn't officially part of that months stats... But I know there might be work to do for next month... W h a t c o u n t s a s w o r d s h e r e w i t h y o u r n e w s c r i p t s a n y w a y ? ? ? I ' m j u s t a s k i n g , f o r a f r i e n d . . . Y o u k n o w ? W h a t c o u n t s a s w o r d s h e r e w i t h y o u r n e w s c r i p t s a n y w a y ? ? ? I ' m j u s t a s k i n g , f o r a f r i e n d . . . Y o u k n o w ? W h a t c o u n t s a s w o r d s h e r e w i t h y o u r n e w s c r i p t s a n y w a y ? ? ? I ' m j u s t a s k i n g , f o r a f r i e n d . . . Y o u k n o w ? W h a t c o u n t s a s w o r d s h e r e w i t h y o u r n e w s c r i p t s a n y w a y ? ? ? I ' m j u s t a s k i n g , f o r a f r i e n d . . . Y o u k n o w ? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 T h a t ' s g o o d t o k n o w . . . I should back up a lot more of my arguments with reference to other works... So I should add a lot more quotes, too: Quotation From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For the Wikipedia policy on quoting, see Wikipedia's Manual of Style. For the Wikipedia essay, see Wikipedia:Quotations. This article is about quoting text. For information about the punctuation mark, see Quotation mark. For the non-English usage, see Quotation mark, non-English usage. For market data relating to a security or commodity, see Financial quote. For the price of a service, see Sales quote. A quotation is the repetition of one expression as part of another one, particularly when the quoted expression is well-known or explicitly attributed by citation to its original source, and it is indicated by (punctuated with) quotation marks. A quotation can also refer to the repeated use of units of any other form of expression, especially parts of artistic works: elements of a painting, scenes from a movie or sections from a musical composition. Contents [hide] 1 Misquotations 2 Reasons for using quotations 3 Common quotation sources 4 Quotations and the Internet 5 United Kingdom copyright law 6 See also 7 References Misquotations[edit] Many quotations are routinely incorrect or attributed to the wrong authors, and quotations from obscure or unknown writers are often attributed to far more famous writers. Examples of this are Winston Churchill, to whom many political quotations of uncertain origin are attributed, and Oscar Wilde, to whom anonymous humorous quotations are sometimes attributed.[1] Deliberate misquotation is also common, though this often goes unnoticed, usually because the misquotation is better known or because the misquotation better fits a situation. For example, the Star Trek catchphrase "Beam me up, Scotty" did not appear in that form in the original series--likewise, the famous Dirty Harry quotation "Are you feeling lucky, punk?" is a rewording of the original dialogue: "You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?" Humphrey Bogart's character Rick in Casablanca never said "Play it again, Sam." The actual expression is "Play it, Sam." Darth Vader in Star Wars IV (for Blu-ray) says "No, I am your father" which George Lucas re-worded from the original expression "Luke, I am your father" from the original version of the film. Reasons for using quotations[edit] Quotations are used for a variety of reasons: to illuminate the meaning or to support the arguments of the work in which it is being quoted, to provide direct information about the work being quoted (whether in order to discuss it, positively or negatively), to pay homage to the original work or author, to make the user of the quotation seem well-read, and/or to comply with copyright law. Quotations are also commonly printed as a means of inspiration and to invoke philosophical thoughts from the reader. Common quotation sources[edit] Famous quotations are frequently collected in books that are sometimes called quotation dictionaries or treasuries. Of these, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations, The Yale Book of Quotations and The MacMillan Book of Proverbs, Maxims, and Famous Phrases are considered among the most reliable and comprehensive sources. Diaries and calendars often include quotations for entertainment or inspirational purposes, and small, dedicated sections in newspapers and weekly magazines--with recent quotations by leading personalities on current topics--have also become commonplace. Quotations and the Internet[edit] Chiefly a text medium in the beginning, the World Wide Web gave rise to any number of personal quotation collections that continue to flourish, even though very few of them seem to facilitate accurate information or correct citation. On June 27, 2003, a sister project of the Wikimedia Foundation called Wikiquote was created as a free online encyclopedia of quotations in every language and it is now the biggest single quotation collection in the world.[citation needed] The increase of written means of informal communication brought about by the Internet has produced the practice of using quotations as personal flags, as in one's own signature block. This is most commonly seen in email messages and Usenet posts, while it is almost never seen in blog posts. Quotations are also popular as a user's personal message, a line under the user's nickname in some Instant Messaging clients (and here they often go uncited). In all these cases, quotations are usually included to give a glimpse of the user's personality, to make a statement of their beliefs, or to spread views and ideas. The sheer bulk of online quotations, combined with more efficient search engines, has effectively made the Internet the world's quotation storehouse, encompassing an unprecedented number of easily obtainable quotations. Though matters of accuracy still remain, features such as Amazon.com's Search Inside the Book and Google Book Search may serve to alleviate such concerns. United Kingdom copyright law[edit] Section 30(1) of the United Kingdom Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (apparently in transposition of Article 5(3)(d) of the EU Copyright Directive on quotations) allows fair dealing with a copyrighted work for the purpose of criticism or review, provided that it is accompanied by sufficient acknowledgement. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 People often ask what I do on K5, I say one word WINNING. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 When you've met all the deliverables $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, we can now get a stat of how many comments generated per diary... like averaged over how many a diaries a person makes... So, you'd see I get 40 comments per diary on average... And mirko gets 1 pity comment, on average? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You should do total words published that's probably the one true metric! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Here's something that will get you thinking... I was going to say that you should put procrasti first in any list that is unordered... especially if I'm the one throwing down perfectly good money to contribute to this... and being the overall winner of k5. BUT... look, you've got a sparse matrix... and there's something you can do with such a matrix, that is kind of interesting... Make the interesting numbers lay along the diagonal as much as possible... or rather, find an ordering that does so. So, you could weight each entry in the matrix by a multiplier, that is highest at the top left, and decreases downwards and outwards... but is still highest along the diagonal... do a elementwise multiplication, sum the lot and then find the ordering that maximises (or minimises the negative of) that sum. What you'll get, in one dimension... is a kind of clustering, where those nearby each other in the ordering are those that talk mostly to each other... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 My dear ugly, fat, age shaming, slut, And how old are you exactly my dear? Didn't think so. And you proved no point, unfortunately, except that you can't handle the mean streets of K5, and that you go off crying to the patriarchy if anyone dare utter the B word around t you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You know you can create a function that takes a string and operates on it... why do you want to alter the string class? I guess you got two options... extend the string class with your own class with the added method... Or define a standalone class, and assign it as a method to the string objects you want to operate on... But I'd probably just have a string utility function that I called seperately... it doesn't add much in the way of encapsulation to extend the basic class... so a standalone function would do, no? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fuck the drug abusing women... What the fuck are you doing for them? Nothing... Do you do charity, do you go and meet with them? I spend a LOT of time in the company of poor homeless drug addicted girls... and they all seem to love me anyway. Actually, that girl is fully aware of her photo's being published... She knows what I write about her and others here... If you can use your feminist theory to explain why she spent an hour sucking my cock... I'd love to hear it. I got another girl here right now... Fresh out of nine months jail... telling me she loves me... I don't feel that strongly towards her... but I'll give her a place to crash for a few days and avoid the streets a bit longer... why not? I must be a real asshole to get those kind of responses. And what's your obsession with age? You think my words are wise beyond my years? You obsessed with slightly older men than yourself? Or you just getting rattled over your own age and projecting onto others as usual? I know the feminist type... you're too much of coward to use words in your defence... instead you appeal to men for help (what a nice fellow that tdillo is, hey?). Weak. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hey... I'll put you in contact with her... actually... If you'd like. How does that sit with you, miss dirty stopout? You going to tell her something she doesn't know? Are you going to 'save' her? Maybe the pics weren't as good as the ones she used to advertise, but they were alright, I doubt they hurt her. Do, you know her name? No... you don't. You're literally making someone a victim of a situation they are not a victim in... and femenists thrive on victimhood... but victimhood relies on weakness... you are weak... or worse, you feign it for your own benefit... even better, you are the victim of her actions. You do understand, that the second set of photo's I took of her... with her knowledge that they would be posted here... okay? I swear guys, I was this close making a deepthroat porno... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 and even worse than be a victim of her actions... would be that you want to convince her and others that they are victims too. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 And seriously... could you be gargling my cock more hungrily? going back through my comment histories and diaries... omg... Seriously, I'm so fucking hard right now... It's fucking orgasmic to know I got such a devoted little follower. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's what your mum said $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Free Market Utility is the same as Mill's Utility A free market that allows negative externalities, theft, fraud, deception, etc... isn't a free market. You claiming otherwise goes directly against the four assumptions of free markets. Mill appeals to the greatest utility to everyone by allowing anyone do whatever they want unless it harms another. The Free Market appeals to the greatest utility to everyone by allowing anyone to do whatever they want unless it harms another. Can you spot the difference? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You see... if you had actually studied... what the free market is, versus, what the market is... instead of closing your eyes and shouting it down out of instinct... you would find that I, and economic theory, agree with your statements completely... the free market needs regulation... Without regulation, we could have slavery, but that wouldn't be a free market, because slavery means someone is a party to a transaction against their free will... so laws are required to enforce this. And the same with Mill's utility... He's appealing to people's good nature... and murder is certainly within some people's utility, but it infringes on other people's against their FREE WILL (read On Liberty, and see why I emphasise these words). They are exactly the same thing... you should be free to do as you wish... EXCEPT FOR the FOUR ASSUMPTIONS of the free market... which means REGULATION is a necessity in FREE MARKETS and I have never argued otherwise. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... obviously you would have an easier time understanding this stuff if you had studied it... you have a model in your head of what the free market is... but you've gotten that from vested interests from television 'economists', 'bankers' and 'businessmen'. You've recognised that they are lying to you for their own selfish reasons... but you've bought in on their definition of 'free market'... which, surprise, surprise, isn't the one taught by economists. To say regulations infringe on free markets is a fucking joke, because economists study how markets fail all the fucking time... and they fail by not being FREE markets... so the economists advocate regulation that makes MARKETS into FREE markets. And if you had a decent understanding of what I mean by free markets, the one taught in intro to micro econ... you would see that all your hedges or alternatives are SUBSETS of free markets... your ideas are FREE markets, but FREE markets are more than just your ideas. And the simplest way to explain it to a wilful layman... is that in a free market, you can do what you want IF you aren't HARMING ANYONE, or LYING, or CHEATING, or HIDING RELAVENT INFORMATION, or STEALING, or USING VIOLENCE or THREAT of VIOLENCE... or POLLUTING or CAUSING A DISTURBANCE... or by PRICE FIXING, COLLUDING, or running MONOPOLIES... You know... things that I'm sure even you consider to be REASONABLE... and that behaviour of businesses that actually piss you off, is almost always because they are doing one of these things... ie, operating OUTSIDE of the FREE MARKET. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Everything is a market (well, not quite, but)... It doesn't require the quid pro quo part... giving something away is definitely a market activity... also a free market activity... stealing is also market activity... though it is not free market activity. Trade is the market activity of exchange... and charging zero is still quid pro quo... in the terms that the person who receives the good still has to choose it. And you're reading Mill wrong... he doesn't acknowledge motivations or behaviours outside of utility... you still thinking of utility in terms of obvious benefit... like dollars. The ascetic is following his utility... So is my little model agent that only takes water and a ration and gives away his left overs. The problem Mill is trying to show you, is similar to the agents I write about below... people that say the 'best' or true 'good' in society is the one that takes the least and gives the most, and we should all be like this... Mill says No... that's not 'good', utility is the actual 'good'... be an ascetic IF YOU LIKE... even go so far as to ADVOCATE that lifestyle, if you like... but don't FORCE people to be ascetics... that goes against utility... and would be a harm. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What about a gift market? Where's the buyers and sellers there? Investopedia isn't so much economics as business... it's definitions are more business definitions. Look... if it makes an ascetic happy to be an ascetic, Mill would never advocate stopping him... that IS his utility... it would decrease the greatest happiness... Some people are even happy to see ascetics... so there's that... he shouldn't be forced to be a clown to make others happy. You haven't completed reading On Liberty if you think Mill would advocate the doctor killing. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It is wasted, in the sense it's no good to anyone There's no argument there... unless it is what the ascetic chooses to do... Mill would never ban someone from being an ascetic... because it is in their own utility... but there's no real point to it... That's what he is saying. Dude... don't read the first paragraph and try and tell me what his works are about. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 At the end of the day, utility theory says that whatever an agent does, was what the agent considered to have the highest acheivable utility at the time... That applies to ANY DECISION MAKING AGENT! And you can model any decision making process with utility. What Mill's argues is that we are free-est when are able to persue our own utility for whatever reason... as long as we don't harm others. So, utility is neither good or bad in itself... If it's in my utility to murder my new friend so I can steal his wallet... then that is what I would do... but that is clearly not good... and the question we ask is why is that not good... and from a pure utilitarian point of view, is because it goes against the utility of my murdered friend... Assuming, of course, that being murdered wasn't his desire or request. There is nothing outside of utility actually... because it is the basis for all action... and so, by maximising our freedom of action, we maximise everyone's utility. If you can't see the utility in feeding a homeless person, or cleaning a park, or secretely donating to the orphans home... that is not a problem with utility, it is a problem with your understanding of what utility is. It's not about money, it's not about being selfish, it's not about seeing other people suffer... it's simply doing what we most want to do. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, agent's don't NEED utility to operate... You can make decisions based on any process you like... Economists don't beleive people THINK in terms of utility at all... It's just that every decision making agent CAN be modelled as a utility maximiser. It's an equivelence... one that becomes useful, because maximising utility means maximising freedom of choice... it maximises the OPTIONS open to a decision making agent... it maximises what they can DO. In accordance to THEIR OWN decision making process... what they MOST want to do, is the things we should let them do... as long as it harms no others! And Mill does exactly the same thing... but Mill didn't have the mathematical description of utility that became available with decision making theory... he didn't even really have a good theory of utility like modern neo-classical marginalist welfare economists do today either... Mill IS the NATURAL LANGUAGE EXPRESSION of the exact same utility theory used by economists. Down ot the fact that whilst human behaviour isn't a matter of maximising utility... it is EQUIVILENT to it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Every decision making agent can be modelled as... Is MATHEMATICALLY defined... > is just gossip. I stopped reading right there... You may as well say, You can prove a negative... saying otherwise is just gossip. I can't continue going past such drivel. You would claim that the programs you write can do more than a Turing machine... saying otherwise is just gossip. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm going to read past absolute bullshit idiocy like that... Yeah... I did have a great example showing why the model is useful... but seriously, fuck you. If mathematics is no good here... I'm wasting my time completely. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your actions at a given point in time are well defined... You can't both smoke crack and not smoke crack at the same time... So, the x axis is the action, and the y axis is the utility... for a given action, there is a utility... and it's maximum at the action you took... there is no multiple return value problem... it's a normal mathematical function. You wan't its usefulness... I'll express it in a theoretical mini-world... Let's imagine a world with a bunch of agents... they need some things to live, and use other things just for enjoyment... let's, for argument sake, assume there's a big machine that produces what they want... and I know you'r going to hate this part, but lets limit what the machine can produce... so the agents are limited to say 3 actions per day... but they have to drink a unit each day, and eat something each day, but are otherwise free to do what they want. Let's define some goods they can get from the producing machine: ['water', 'ration', 'burger', 'sodapop', 'crack cocaine']... furthermore, they have two actions they can perform on other agents: ['give', 'take']... where give gives another agent an item, and take removes an item from another agent... the other agent has no say in that... they're either given an item, or they have it taken from them. We can make other rules... to have the agents die from old age, thirst, starvation, crack overdose... and they also reproduce... they might reproduce a litle faster if they are happy... and say burgers, sodapop and crack make them happy... or fat... maybe they get addicted to crack... whatever... it doesn't matter... for now, we can ignore all these rules... but you can imagine a world where they exist too. Now, you get to build the agents with whatever decision making process you like... you can use natural langauge... complicated rules based on thrist, hunger and happiness... genetic algorithms maybe... it doesn't matter an ounce what their actual decision making process is... Now... let's look at some different behaviours and analyse them... and look at how different people might be like these agents... and then maybe we can decide some 'laws' governing this society, and why we would ban certain behaviours, or encourage others. Let's start with the selfless, health focussed agent... let's say, a health focused agent choses water and a ration everyday... and either an extra water or ration that he gives away that he doesn't need, seems a pretty healthy lifestyle... he doesn't get too fat... and he's helping society out too. Then maybe a middle ground agent... he likes to have a ration, a burger, and water... he doesn't give or take from anyone. Maybe a slightly less healthy agent... usually choses two burgers and a sodapop... also doesn't give or take from anyone. Then maybe a hedonist agent... choses a burger, a sodapop, and crack cocaine... doesn't give or take from anyone. A junkie theif agent... choses 3 crack cocaines a day, and if he needs food or water, attempts to take them from other agents... sometimes an agent gives him a ration or water, but he'll just take whenever he needs from some other agent. Now, we can look at the laws of our society... and, let's say you have CTS or a prohibitionist mindset... Maybe you're like the selfless health nut... you take only water and ration and often give away some of that as well... Then you look at the set of items and various behaviours, and say... hmmm... we need water and food to survive... but burgers and sodapop can do that too... though, they're a little unhealthy, but not that unhealthy... but crack cocaine serves no purpose at all... it just makes agents high without feeding them and so many junkies just get crack cocaine... and they start stealing from other agents for food and water... crack cocaine is the problem... let's ban it. Do, you see, that's how people think... Water and rations are good enough for me... hell, I even enjoy a good burger now and again, I'm no puritan, but who the hell needs crack? But now, let's look at it from a utility point of view... Despite having other decision processes... we can map an EQUIVILENT (it would always make the same decision) decision process onto them (without changing their actual decision process)... Such that whatever an agent chose to do, it would have the highest utility in our decision making process... So, you can see... as soon as you ban crack... you MUST HAVE decreased the UTILITY gained by the agents that would have chosen it... Because that was their maximum utiilty when they chose it... but now they're stuck with something they wouldn't have chosen if they had the option... so their utility must now be lower than it was previously. Okay... so, utility theory says you shouldn't ban crack... we can't ban crack without lowering gross utility in our society, but what about the actions, give and take? When an agent gives something to another agent, that agent gets an unchosen benefit... it gets an item it may or may not want, but it doesn't hurt the agent to get the item, worst case scenario, they can give it away... the receiving agent doesn't lose utility... there's no harm in giving. But if an agent takes something from another agent, the other agent gets a loss it didn't chose... the other agent loses utility against it's own will... an agent has now harmed another agent... there is a loss of utility (at least definitely from a pareto perspective... an agent has been made worse off against his will). So, from a utilitarian point of view... studying this mini-world example, we can see, that if we want to maximise the agent's utility overall... we ONLY ban the 'take' action... we don't allow agents to take from others without consent... That's the only thing that decreases other agents utility. Whereas, there will always be puritans, holier than thous, those who know best, goodie two shoes types, and more generally, those who don't see why others would enjoy something they do not, who would ban crack from society, possibly even soda and burgers... from a utility point of view, the state should limit itself to only banning agent's from taking from one another... it is the only thing that can decrease utility... everything else MUST increase it... therefore everything else must be allowed. THAT'S WHY WE STUDY UTILITY... This is why it is useful. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, you are wrong about the if/else returning more than one value... Think in terms of a functional programming language with no side effects... it doesn't matter if/else or anything you inside a function in such a language... for a given input, it ALWAYS returns the same output... This is true for turing machines in general... it's just that often we allow 'inputs' from outside of the function parameters... say data in a network buffer, or even a randomness pool... it's properly part of the input space... and turing machines are deterministic... so you can't get around it with if/else or anything else, for that matter, that can run on a turing machine. Utility comes from there... if at any point in time you have to make a decision, amongst a set of mutally exclusive options... and you have a preference for some options more than others... so you have an ordered set of options... then you can map numbers onto them, such that the more prefered an option is, the higher the utility... and you chose the one with the highest utility is equivilent to taking the option you most prefered. You take that option away, you will chose the next most prefered item, but that must have a lower utility for you than the option than the one you really wanted. There is no sqrt(x) problem here. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But you're an idiot and not doing maths $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... math does not work that way either... sqrt(4) == -2.0 is FALSE in MATHEMATICS. That's all there is to it. +/- function might work a bit differently... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 [sic] http://grammarist.com/spelling/model/ http://grammarist.com/spelling/maximise-or-maximize/ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The model recognises people do things that appear to be a sacrifice... Why? Because it has utility to them... He's just saying that sacrifice itself isn't a good... You know, in contrast to like how others, especially religious leaders or politicians, might say we should sacrifice for our common good... Utility theory explains why people would do that... because it's in their utility... but it says that self sacrifice itself isn't a good that we should aspire to. I've read Mill like 5 times or more over the last two decades... maybe you should FINISH it first before trying to preach to me what it is saying. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't think Mill advocates killing the one to save five... It would be perfectly reasonable if we made assumptions about utility, like that all lives were of equal utility... then yes, kill the one to save the many and all that... good. When you get into On Liberty, you will see the way he says that know man knows what is best for himself but himself, to show that you can't do that... in modern economic terms, that means you can't compare utilities. The one they are killing, could be the happiest person in the world, and the five saved always have been and would always be miserable... killing the happiest guy doesn't help with your end goal at all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 no man knows what is best for himself but himself That was just an embarrising typo. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Come back to me when you've finished On Liberty... You'd be like you're preaching 1984 as a good model for society because everyone is happy and they're made to exercise well and everyone's pleased with the government and the telescreenes aer cool and everything because you're only half way through the fucking book. And yes... the same utility Mill says, and the same utility in Free Market economics resulint in what helps the greatest number be happy... they're the same fucking thing. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Free market is prescriptive too... It isn't saying do what you want... I've said that before... it doesnn't describe how people actually act either... it advocates certain actions... Markets are the reality, you want descriptive models of these... and Free markets are particularly good markets... so economists proscribe them. I think you can extend the idea you have of markets to include anything (any transaction) that results in a change of utilities (for one or more agents)... that's how you have externalities, say with noise or air pollution... not a free market, but a market nonetheless. You can see then, that gift markets are a subset of free markets,.. assuming you're gifting goods and not toxic waste. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Actually, gift markets are inneficient compared to free markets... But they are compatible with... at worst case scenario they represent positive externalities (say anonymously given gifts to unknown recipients)... and are under produced compared to a free market, and maybe should be subsidised... but you begin to see problems with that, a subsidised gift market... it's no longer really a gift market. I think it works quite well where everyone knows each other... a close family, friends, social groups... because those gifts are remembered... so rewards flow anyway... completely anonomous gifting you are doing for 'it's own reward'.... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 As long as a gift has a postive utility for the recipient, gift giving is a good thing... but yeah, it could put a burden on the recipient, and actually have a negative utility... it could effectively be a negative externality, like gifting toxic waste. I'm sure trane would agree with me, if he knew what free markets were, and understood the concept of utility... but he doesn't, so he instinctively argues with me, rather than educating himself. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Huh?... TIL James Mill is John Start Mill's Father Interesting... Marx coined the term capitalism... and he is right... there's a propensity for capital to contentrate... to become rent seekers... Socialism has a rational basis... that the people should own the means of production... but... Communism (as in Soviet style communism) throws out the baby with the bath water. There's no need for central planning and state control... these systems have huge inneficiencies... The average politician or price setter can't determine the utility for everyone else... that stuff is best left to supply and demand. A Free Market, with wealth redistribution, has all the benefits of both systems... you basically say, wealth is really owned by everyone, but we nominally let people control it for their own benefit... but we'll use tax to redistribute from the most wealthy to the poorest, and let normal free market system decide what to produce and who gets it otherwise. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So James thought something was worth the work you put into making it... his son clearly didn't think so, I think... and it's pretty clear you can put a lot of effort to waste, so today we see that something is worth what you get out of it... or what you would trade it for. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sorry Sye... I can't really make sense of this $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The answer is pretty obvious... There should be a cap on the amount of CO2 and other gasses that a volcano can put out a year, and that should be traded in a free market. Otherwise, the government should decide on the disutility of the volcano and tax it accordingly, ie a pigovian tax on volcano emissions. Economics means supply and demand... and there's currently an oversupply of volcanoes in chile at the moment because the untaxed negative externalities are not represented in the price of volcanoes. This is the difference between the unregulated and the free market... Chile lets an unregulated market overproduce volcanoes until they are literally spilling out into the streets, no matter what damage they do to other businesses, because they aren't willing to put in the kind of regulation that leads to the optimal levels of free market volcano production. Why people don't understand this stuff is beyond me. Apparently the same problem is happening in Yellowstone, because people just love to have their free geothermic geyser distraction entertainment, and the whole time not willing to pay the cost of an erupting super caldera. Well... demand means supply, so you really bought this on yourself america. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... the old projections showed something like total destruction of two thirds of the US... nuclear winter type conditions throughout the northern hemisphere for several years... and not such a great outlook for the southern hemisphere either... And that was just the tip? Man... that's going to be a fun one for whoever get's to witness that event. It seems to me to be beyond the scale of our current engineering to do anything about... is there any hope we could slowly release the pressure on it? I don't think so... It's just a big nasty zit that's gonna burst one day and we're going to have to survive on through it or go extinct trying. If only magma had utility... we would tap that till it was nearly exhausted like it was californian groundwater. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Volcanoes erupt because it is their utility... we know this, because they erupted... Which is why you have to either tax or fine them to lower their eruption utility... Providing them a basic income is basically subsidising them... they'll erupt all day long and never get a real job. This is why so many unemployed people in south america right now. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If they really were geniuses they would have won the monthly k5 stats... Like I did... QED. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you can't pursue your happiness peacefully and nonviolently, right now, with everything you got going for you, you deserve to be thrown in a cell, locked up and have the key thrown away... You don't need basic income to do that... look at the bullshit responsibility free life you're living now, and you dare complain? What a fucking selfish little cunt you are... you're exactly the wrong spokesperson for the UBI cause because even if you have good intentions, you have the appearance of a conflict of interest, exactly because you want free money to do shit. Every time you open your mouth on the subject, you discredit it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You really want that first place trophy You're such a loser. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Says the guy that always corrects his mistakes and posts corrections to his mistakes in his corrections... I'd say clearly you love posting mistakes no matter what. you can call what I've done to you rape, but it was more like psychological domination, and you loved it, and you know it... you're not fooling anyone with that story. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You got delusions boy... There's no reason to be making typos to correct... except the obvious. I don't stalk women... I can barely evade them... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The funny thing is, you're so fucking gay for pussy that you would make up false allegations against actual men in the hope that some woman somewhere thinks you're some kind of hero and fuck you for it, classic femanized beta white knight behaviour... but they mostly fuck the guys you're obviously jealous of... that's why you don't get laid. Fine... Meth Tits could possibly set me up for that... what with the hacking of the facebook account and what not... but that was on her request... I was just surprised that I broke in... and then you know... you do what you do... but I got that recorded a conversation between us where she thanks me for getting into her account and helping her out... now, only problem is... damn... that pregnant chick, I can't remember her k5 nickname, crack momma?... stole the SD card from my phone that held the recording... I don't think Meth Tits has it in for me that bad... that she'd be willing to make a thing about it... Crack Momma pretty much insinuated if I took her back to the room and fucked her she would give me back my data cards... but she was making me feel used... You can't let people treat you that way. As for Meth Tits... some random turned up on my facebook account, and I was pretty sure it was her with someone else's account... that was weird. Anyway... one of the missing girl's turned up, and she's really lovely, but I think she's in love with me, and I'm really not sure what to do... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 And I can't rape you cause you keep gagging for it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... You have seriously misunderstood me... I ALWAYS meant it in this way... You have ALWAYS put your blinkers on and shouted meanness... You coloured my version with your derogatory terms... I tried to explain how general the idea is... but you reject it... out of some misguided principle. I say utility, but you say selfish egotist... I knew Mill before I new micro-econ properly... and his ideas of Free Will and Utility are exactly the same ideas now expressed with mathematical certainty in the concepts behind modern Free Market theory... it's not Free as in do as you want, it's Free as in Mill's theories of the rightful limits of the state to limit people's freedoms... free to do what you desire, as long as you aren't harming others... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 For one... if any of those things occur, ITS NOT A FREE MARKET --- by definition, no lying, theft, fraud... whatever... that's just MARKETs but no way FREE MARKET... and you know this. And Mill's utility theory is in no way conflict of you doing those things... I say utility, and you say meanness... I say cleaning a park for the enjoyment of others is utility, and you say, no it isn't because utility is meanness... but it's not m'kay? What you've basically done here is have an emotional breakdown, and thrown a tantrum... you were all pro mill and his 'version' of utility, until I pointed out that it's the same as free market utility... which you blame for your lot and call it meanness... so instead you've rejected mill entirely on that biased basis and have decided to not even finish reading his work. I knew your reaction when I previewed the last comment... I really should have attacked Mill myself so you could throw it in my face how his version of utility is right and mine was wrong, until you worked it out yourself that they were the same thing... but I don't have the patience... you're far too predictable. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Anthropic Global Climate Change p>0.95 Easily.... big changes in CO2 in the atmosphere --> physicsy stuff --> big changes in climate... That's going to be expensive... one way or the other... Really need to cap emissions... and trade that cap... At the same time, go nuclear as much as possible. Get the 4th or 5th gen nuke reactors up and running as soon as possible... get your reprocessing skills up! Oil is artificially priced too cheap, and nuclear artificially priced too high... reverse that... when you take the real costs of the two, nuclear wins. But... there are tipping points in chaotic systems, where once you are beyond a certain point, you cause irreversible phase shifts... and we don't want that happening. OTOH, a scientist friend and I were discussing GW, and he said, for sure it's man made... but if we hadn't done it, we would have been due for an iceage about now anyway... So, maybe that was the illuminati's plan all along, to save the world from a catastrophic ice age, and the gossip we hear is just their way of getting us to turn the anti-ice-age machine off. Still... we should probably turn it down now, sooner rather than later... even by your argument... it is still an experiment being run on this planet on a global scale for which the outcomes are at best uncertain and seemingly extreme. We need to shift to realistic zero emission energy sources... and the only thing that truly fits that bill is nuclear. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What part of wait for a counteroffer didn't you understand? You can't just dump down a price for something people were getting for free and expect them to jump on it... Think of it as a bid/ask spread... 24c on the bid side, $100 on the ask side... price discovery takes time... Doesn't help that you have an internal value of $0.00 attached to it... Maybe start small... ask for $1 for each bit of new functionality... build your market... build up rapport with your customers. Give away some stuff to be a market leader... but make up for it in volume. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... in fairness... you got to look at it from everybody else's point of view... what are they getting out of it, what's it really worth to them... I doubt it's worth $100 to anyone here... and the other thing is, it's kind of like poker... it's clear that stats has utility to you, as trane pointed out... it would take money to stop you working on stats... that doesn't matter so much... you could still get paid for it too... but you already broadcast the fact to everyone, so why would they pay you? It's a fair free trade. so... somewhere between you being paid not to produce stats, and other people paying you what it's worth to them to have stats... you have a price to produce stats at... it's a tiny bit complicated by the public good nature of the stats... so free rider problem... but no one here is in a situation to subsidise you for this... still, you should be able to eek out a little more scratch than 24c, no? That's why selling lotteries and prediction side markets could have been good, but you'd get in trouble. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Everything has a price... but you can't afford it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, that takes a utf string and encodes it into ascii while ignoring errors... but I think it returns a byte array... which is the b... I think that's just showing the encoding u"something" for a unicode string... I mostly use Python 2... and only ever dealt with this getting unicoded responses from other websites and shoving them into ascii encoded varchar databases... I really fixed the wrong problem, and shouldn't have converted everything to ascii... but I'm lazy. alright though... so... I'm not a 100% sure how that thing differs from a string... if you print it, it doesn't look like that, right... the r's and n's are converted into newlines, right? If not... maybe just throw it to the str function (whatever it is). if you just want the words out of it, a default split will probably give you what you want. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 .encode('ascii', 'ignore').decode('ascii') or try default decode... I bet that will work... but why are you downgrading to ascii in the first place? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Talking of Bitcoin... Girl sleeping on the couch opened up a bag of chocolate money... they're all bitcoin's... big gold chocolate covered in yellow foil bitcoin money with all the symbols and veritas in numbers and everything. I wonder if you tried selling them for a bitcoin each! RICH I TELL YOU RICH!!! Invest in chocolate bitcoin futures! Who set that one up? She shouldn't have that information! Coincidence, fate, a sign? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Typical... Just cause you can't win the K5 stats fair and square, you want to change the rules... and find other ways you can win... It's not overall percentages, or replies vs top comments or such bullshit, it's whoever makes the biggest number of all wins... What's the biggest individual specific number? 304... therefore I win, and you get some consolation prizes... Just deal with it... and try harder next month. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Don't be a sore loser... Second place is quite an achievement. Not quite as much as first place, but better than anything else. What you getting so upset about? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm pretty sure everyone takes K5 stats seriously and acknowledges my greatness. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Seriously, it's about time you get over it... Stat's don't lie... I clearly win K5, argument over. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why not just count full stops as sentences? ...? Hey? .... ? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 paradigm shattered Though, I expect you might have to put either more effort into marketing, or price yourself more appropriately in the market... Definitely a strong opening, let's wait for the counteroffer. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'll put up $0.24AUD... to open the bidding... Maybe you could crowdsource it. Like I said, more marketing... create a diary about it, get a buzz going... align interests, network more, sex the deal up a bit... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's not how you haggle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n3LL338aGA ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Poor Grasshoper, you have much to learn... in the ways of business. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I told you I'd be winning either way. But you could charge everyone who wants in on the competition... Wow... here's an idea... run a bitcoin lottery... I dunno... $5 a ticket or something... and the winner (which would probably be me) gets 80% of the collection, and you get the rest. You really want to get interesting... run a predictions market on who would be the winner of each month's stats... people can place bets for against different users... and you take 5% of the winnings... and pay out 80% of that to the winner. But, probably best avoid the US if you do that... Not too sure of Australian law either... oh well... tor + bitcoin it is then. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The old "offer you can't refuse" market. Needs to be backed by a credible threat of force though... I got his name, age, address, driver's licence number and photos for you... for the right price... You can start with glitterbombing him, and work your way up to burning his house down and breaking his limbs and providing other incentives to produce! It's a free market after all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Begging? No... Just making an offer... It would probably just be cheaper to pay mumble his $100 to make a stats list that doesn't include me so you can win for once. I think betraying mumble with his secret information would be worth quite a bit more than that... especially if you're going to break his legs with it... he's been a good friend to me here, and that's not very nice... so maybe, $10k or something. I know you probably can't afford money like that, so it's either $100 to mumble, or get a job in London and come back when you can afford it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You just let a perfect opportunity to monetize go by... $150 name removal service... But call it administrative costs... You don't want to end up like that guy that ran the naked ex-gf revenge pics site and got done for extortion charging girls to have their pics removed. Holly now knows she's lost k5 and she's trying to remove that fact from the internet... but we all know how well that works. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You don't get off the ratings, you get off on me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 IAWTD $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, it's a good month to look back on last month's stats and how I won K5. I'd like to make an honorary shoutout to our old skool comrads who we've lost along the way, CTS, LilDebbie, Holly, trhurler, mindpixel, trane and kitten... may they all RIP... and we can have maybe a minute's silence for the day they missed me winning the monthly K5 stats. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It really isn't your husbands, is it? I mean, you're trying to say that between the lines, but you can't get yourself to type it out. Oh wow... that's just crazy... Do you have a black baby daddy and a white husband? That's gonna be real hard to explain. All the best. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Just to break down this limerick for those who can't see it... this is basically holly telling everyone how she came to cheat on her husband... The man from Bombay clearly represents her hard working provider husband, leveraging certain racial sterotypes for this effect, who has gone on a long business trip, represented by him sailing off to china... unfortunately the poor guy is married, ie, tied to the tiller, to some sex-hungry hairy ape beast, which is how holly sees herself, a sex-starved gorilla... and her husband is so far away in china, that she's fucked someone else and gotten pregnant. It's actually a very good limerick, because it kind of works on a few several levels, most of them just absurd and silly, like all good limericks... but once you work out the characters, you can see the human side of this unfolding tragedy, hidden in a quirky little ditty. Now, I'm not so much of an artist that I do often wonder where these subtexts come from. Was this one obvious to all who read it, or did I just pick it up... Is this what 'Holly' wanted to tell us? Did she know what she wrote? Or did she just think it funny and absurd in her mind when she wrote it? Like her subconcious is screaming out to us? WHAT DO I DO? Or did she deliberately encode this meaning... I actually don't think so. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I just want to point out that holly also blames her husband for the state of affairs... it's his fault he's so bloody far of in china... he should have been there for her, to fuck her, not for his bloody business, out working as a provider for her. This is how feminists reward their providers' gentleman... beware the feminist agenda. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 As a Rank 1 Kuron, I think it's fair to say that the stats prove me right and that you all sux. Thanks again to everyone involved, mumble for compiling the stats, rusty for hosting our beloved site, mum and dad for raising me right, god, the free market and the jews for controlling mainstream media and forcing everyone to come to me for the truth. Good night and god bless. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think any reasonable person reading the stats would clearly conclude that I won... I don't know how you can refute simple numbers like that. Don't you provide p-values with your results? Do you even science? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I knew you'd try and make up something like that.. but 304 >>> 38, therefore clearly comment numbers are more important than diary numbers. You can't argue against the maths here. You're still a Rank 1 Kuron though, just the second place Rank 1 Kuron... I mean, you should still be happy with that, right? Congratulations on the hard work... it's paid off... now you're finally the number 2 Kuron overall. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So few recognise my brilliance on reddit... It's a big pool, but it's full of retards, it's drowning in them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You should ask for money before releasing stats Everybody already knows how I won K5... but they might be willing to pay next month to find if I win again, and by how much... but not me, I'll be winning either way. So, I dunno... get yourself a little stats fund going... don't go running around printing stats just cause someone asks you too... then go around with cap in hand... money talks baby. Gotta make those satoshis sing, so streamline your business models, shatter today's paradigms and synergise your core competencies proactively... get with the program. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, that would be privatising it... Currently by publishing it for everyone, he's creating a public good... which the free market doesn't reward... though people benefit from it... if he publishes on a pay per view or viewer basis... it becomes a private good and the free market will price it properly (maybe zero). The reason it is currently free is because mumble would do it for less... but a small group of others benefit from it even though they didn't have to pay for it. Except of course all the 'information wants to be free' crowd, who don't respect other people's ownership over their creations. Modulo the 'limited time' copywrite debacle. So, yeah, you look for possible side markets. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The effect probably goes to zero with macroscopic objects... like the uncertainty in the position of a cricket ball... I can accept that the universe works like that... that things are in unknowable (random probabilistic) mixture of states, not until we observe them, but until something interacts with them and forces them to collapse to one state or another. What is weird about the bells experiment, is that when you measure one particle, you know the value of the other immediately, like it was always that way (because speed of light's not a barrier), but the experiment shows there is no hidden variable... they weren't like that until you measured... it seems odd to me... is that right? I'm really not a physicist either. As for the afshar experiment, I still don't understand why you can't infer both the interference pattern and the particle path... it's not like the interference pattern or the grating could alter a photon's path through the lens such that it could change which detector it falls upon (am I really wrong with this?) and at the same time I can't understand how the grating doesn't imply an interference patten. This would be an experiment worth numerically simulating... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, the superposition of random walks has a different probability distribution to all possible random walks? That's interesting... yeah, I can handle macrorealism being false... I still think the effect goes to zero for large objects though... it's not like the moon is going anywhere soon. OTOH, if reality really does depend on concious observers... maybe the moon is only there cause so many of us believe it is... Can you design an experiment to test that hypothesis? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This is easily the main cause of problems in society... not acknowledging that everybody's utility is different... if you don't do drugs, for example, it's very hard to understand why someone else would... the free market is about maximising everyone's utility, by allowing them to maximally follow their own utility, without causing harm to others... when you go against the free market, you do things like ban other people from their own choices, and this always ends up in loss of utility for someone... Basically, the idea of not stopping someone from their enjoyment - where it doesn't cause unpaid negative externalities - always ends up with lower economic outcomes for everyone... even after considering the loss of utility of those who aren't allowed their enjoyment, there are even larger costs to society over all, in terms of wasted justice system resources, and the creation of black markets and the rise of those who would service them. We are all poorer for this human instinct to control others, to make them live the life we would want to live, rather than just living the life we want to, and letting others live their lives as they want. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm not sure how this is relevant... You can't point at a female CEO and say it's sexism because she doesn't earn the same as some other male CEO... VERY FEW PEOPLE earn anything like a CEO in the first place... What you really need to look at is say either the income distribution or wealth distribution of men vs women over the entire population and see how well those curves fit... if you wanted equality of outcome for wealth or income. What you find is that men are more represented in the tails of the distribution... there are more wealthier men than women... but there are far more poorer men than women on average too... I don't see feminists fighting to be in their place instead. Then you have the problem that men are expected to support their women... or rather, women generally only get excited for men who are higher socially than themselves... so generally richer and earn more money... and men share their wealth with women more... and then backed up by the courts where women get half their men's property and a free paycheck for many years... just for fucking a guy. So, complaining that some dumb bitch who manages to pretend to be a CEO for a while deserves to be the highest paid of all CEOs doesn't make sense when you are turning a blind eye to the sort of female privileges that are experienced by 99% of the female population. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 agile full stack dev ops is basically what I'm going to advertise myself as... and take any work I can get. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 money flows on the critical path and why would I want to blame others for my mistakes? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's not your husbands, is it?? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There are no women on the internet. You can't fuck over the internet... so women have no power here. Your pussy means nothing, so stop waving it around like your a victim. So, yeah 40... and I've never slayed so much pussy... especially in the last few years... Age isn't as drastic for men as it is for you women... we age like wine, you age like milk... the best you can make of an old woman is mouldy cheese. So, hey... you go live in your little feminist crypto mysandrist victimhood fantasy, and I'll fuck girls in their 20s. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There's nothing quite like fucking a girl with with scarred wrists... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You know there are like energy forces out there... and when you say something like that, you put out an energy that can resonate, and you bring a reality possibly closer to it that might not have occurred if you didn't. I doubt it would ever happen, but in the worst case scenario some girl does decide to off herself, it's unlikely I would have been the cause of that... she obviously had her own issues. So, if you really are thinking about killing yourself just because you don't have me... don't do it, if you can't handle the pain just add me to ignore. I always thought you were like 50 or something... I'm surprised you're still fertile? How old were you when you got on K5? Though you always wrote like you were 12, I just thought that was cause you were retarded... but an old woman like you can't go around pretending she's 21 anymore... in either case... it's a huge downhill plunge for a girl your age now. All you got to do now is secure your husband's income and you're all set... you can still fuck the pool boy... if you can find one in england. And stop obsessing over me... it's creepy as fuck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't really know about that... I'm not going out of my way to save people... sometimes you make some progress, and sometimes you fall back... I do see everything as a free market exchange... they wouldn't be spending time with me if they didn't want to be there... and the truth must follow that the converse is true, that I'm spending time with people because they bring value to me. You see, just people maximising utility... leads to the best outcomes for everyone. It's just coincidentally Procrasti's Home for Wayward Young Sluts. But I see less of street geologist now... and I've been working on the three way with her and meth tits like forever, and I'm just not seeing it come together like it should have... man, meth tits is getting old now... I think 30 next week... that's what 3 years does to a woman... she's near the end of her peak attractiveness in her mid 20s... and then they're thirty... So much for being true genuine 18yo Number 1 prostitute in whole of nation when you're thirty... who'd have saw that one coming? I'm going to have help some other poor young things and move things in the direction I want sooner... I fucked up with madam bigs... I don't know... Like post coital cuddling and we're both about ready to go to bed anyway, and I think we should get meth... and then it just went downhill... I'd had enough meth to fuck her for several hours yet anyway... it was stupid... and things just devolved from there... anyway, I saw her last week, complaining about her sore feet, how far she'd walked in the last 24, that she needed a job for food... I got her a pastie... anyway, she was onto the phone with a guy and talking nice... and she's not talking to the guy that she swears at all the time... Girls like her are able to find support when they need it... So, I think things for her are marginally better? Now, the odd thing is, she's always at the right place at the right time... in a city my size, that's reasonably unlikely... and it's always like that with the people I know... I feel like I create them in some sense... or are they sent? Either way, the fucked up thing is, I think I'm psychically linked to them anyway... and verbal communication just get's in the way... but you still got to play that game too... it's like dare you think of them and they'll appear... but never dare mention their names. Street geologist is shacked up with someone I think... when I asked her if she has a boyfriend now she giggles like a teenager and denies it... oh well... You can't help but hope for the best for your friends, but at the same time, you can only do so much. I look forward to Cargo getting out of prison. I don't know... in fairness to myself, these girls are quite extreme... on the other hand, if I met some decent hard working honest young thing... So, I guess the most fucked up thing of all is that I'm looking for work again... My alarm just went off... time to wake up and face the day... but I need to sleep, and my last grandfather died yesterday... He was a good man... I want to meet my half cousin? (dead girl knew that shit backwards...)... who I guess I've only known about in the last few years. There are rumors he made more people, but we don't know for sure. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's funny... in a way... There's this one legged meth whore around, (well, she's missing everything below the knee)... it's tragifunny how she puts her wheel chair down the road a way, and stands with her missing leg on the bench and tries to catch the eyes of the motorists passing by. I hear on the grapevine she can't get enough of it... (and the really funny thing is, she's actually really quite pretty otherwise)... And well... I do know her name, but I'm gonna call her Holly if ever I mention her again... So, if you see me talking about Holly, don't be so egotistical that you think it's about you, it's just a nickname I've given someone. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's good to know you're still thinking of me, babe. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's all power talk if you read behind the lines.. It's definitely her way of flirting... Powertalk is not meant to be taken at face value... Who would fuck a feminist? See, feminists are women, and women don't want to fuck feminised men, they want to fuck men... so, they get all the feminised men to white knight for them... but they go fuck real men instead... those that aren't so stupid as to be taken in by them... They fuck men, the worst thing you could do would be to listen to them... what they do to guys who listen to them is way worse... guy's like that end up bringing up other people's children, or lose their houses to them... Just to clarify feminism, I'm talking 3rd wave bullshit... cause equality of opportunity makes sense, but equality of outcomes doesn't... anyone can be an engineer, but not everyone would want to be one... anyone can be a garbageman, but not everyone would want to be one, and anyone can be a prostitute, but not everyone would want to be one... we don't have to make sure every second person has a given career depending on what they have between their legs... And you see, a bitch can use gender specific attacks like creep, which mean nothing to a woman... a woman literally can't be creepy (unless you fucked her)... so, any victim claiming over mean sounding 'gender biased' words is the usual validation seeking behaviour... hoping that white knights would gather around her saying 'look how awful this guy is, he MADE me put him on ignore'... and all the stupid fucks would rally behind her 'what an injustice this poor girl is going through'... That's why you don't trust their words, they know what they are saying... watch their actions instead. I mean, going through and reading all my diaries... that's just the K5 equivalent of her gargling on my cock... You think anyone else goes through procrasti's diaries? That's just the way women are... You on the other hand, should stop whining like a bitch and playing victim all the time... you're as bad as any woman. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes... but you didn't know that till you google'd up on it and probably Euler's Identity... I imagine the proof of that though is quite a bit beyond you in any case. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Pity Comment (Gossip) $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Great Paraphrasing! "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes you are... a gossip and a dumb cunt too $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes you are... Why do you keep repeating what an idiot you are? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes you are? Do you have a point? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It was meaningless to begin with... In fact, anything you can use to universally refute literally anything must be meaningless, because it could also be used to refute itself. I don't know where he's grabbed onto this gossip meme... I think he's picked it up in a mooc, and now it's universally applicable to anything he doesn't want to have to think about. Oh, knowledge comes from other people, therefore it is gossip, therefore it is not knowledge... therefore everything is wrong! Even the idea of gossip! He sounds like an upset teenager that's just discovered a new swear word. What a poor, sad, brain damaged idiot. Legalise crack, but remember, if you use it, you could end up like trane. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I heard that infinite regress thing is gossip. I've explained the difference between axioms mathematically and in practice... mathematically they are taken as given, practically they can be tested against observation. The difference between Euclidean and Riemannian geometry for example is in the axioms... how do we know that Euclidean geometry isn't as good a model as Riemannian? Because of our observations of the universe match the results of one, but not the other. It is possible to build a different model with the same predictions... yes... but the models would be equivalent if you did... their axioms would be equivalent too. But you couldn't have a different model to produce the same predictions, because you don't have any models at all... just the weakest of refutations that even refutes itself... it is no substitute for thought. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're clearly an idiot... Mathematical pi only applies to an ideal circle... You're idea of gossip is stupid... it is pure gossip, and serves no purpose... yes ideas come from other people... but that's why you work through the maths yourself, or run some experiments yourself, but most of the time, you are stuck with your own limitations, and you have to believe other people... Why should I believe your gossip over the gossip backed by academia? You prove nothing with that argument. So, as far as engineering goes, I've run through a lot of maths in my time (clearly more than you, as mumble pointed out, you don't even know the most beautiful equation in maths, let alone its proof)... I've done years of physics experiments that align with the maths I worked through that explains it. I've done maths for computer science. And I've done maths for economics... Yes... they could ALL be wrong... and I don't deny that... but I've never met a person smart enough to show me HOW they are wrong... and if I do, and I can work through their maths, and their conclusions, and see how they match reality BETTER... I'll give them consideration. But all you have to offer is pure refutation, and stupid arguments like gossip, infinite regress and the no law of non-contradiction... shit the ancient greeks were thinking about, yes... fantastic... but almost all their shit has been superseded by better ideas. I've used proof by contradiction, and proof by induction enough times to see that it works for PRACTICAL PURPOSES... from how to build bridges, how fast chemical processes proceed, to why you can't solve the halting problem (actual version, not your version), radioactive decay, how semi-conductors and transistors work, how wifi works, how much signal you can send in a channel, how much data can be compressed, to why the price of bread is what it is... You have literally nothing to offer on any of these topics... just whining that you don't get free stuff for nothing... when you offer the human race absolutely nothing of value in return. Please take a fucking hike. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course it's finite... come on, you're the physicist. It takes states of matter to store information that we call knowledge, and there is only a finite amount of (accessible) matter in the universe, so there's a finite number of states, and so, only a finite amount of information can be stored... so only a finite amount of knowledge that can be stored. I mean, that makes it a lot... it's probably not the actual practical upper bound to how much knowledge we can store... but it is an upper bound, and therefore it is finite. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, I think a few things bring it back to a finite amount... Superpositions don't count, cause they collapse when we measure them. As for there being an infinite number of energy levels an electron can be in... won't it fall back to it's lowest energy level and release a photon? The plank thing suggests finite measurable states too. I think you can find a formula for the amount of information a volume of space can store... in fact, I'm sure this has been calculated... because I know one of the interesting results of this is that the information you can store in a volume of space is linear with the surface area of that space... ie, the holographic universe theory. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 When the AGI emerges... It will probably the smartest scientist in existence... No human or groups of humans will be able to keep up with it... So, as far as anything being interesting to us, it will probably be able to work out the proofs for us. So, at that point, we will have all the knowledge we could find useful... or at least, it will have the answers to any questions we could propose... then it might start looking for things it finds interesting. Q: What is the answer to the Riemann hypothesis? A: It is true or false, but cannot be proven... here's the proof. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, he's not talking about simulating general behaviour, but specific outcomes. Chaotic systems suffer from sensitive dependence upon initial conditions... so the slightest error in measurement exponentially grows to a totally different result. You'll be familiar with weather... the weather is it's own best simulation... if you simulate it with as much detail as you can, you still can't get more than a few days out before the two systems diverge. The general behaviour will be identical, but the specific states diverge exponentially rapidly. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Although the last line applies mostly to you... if you just swap "alternate views" with "stuff that's been proven to twenty decimal places or more". ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I never made any such claim... But you're the one denying mathematical based observations such as thermodynamics... My 20 decimal places would refer to the measured neutrality of hydrogen... it's about that magnitude... and something I imagine you'd refute with 'dark energy' or 'statistical!!!' or 'if I had basic income I'd show you all'. No, gossip is your domain, because you've already thrown out maths and science... all your left with is the insane ramblings of a crack fuelled should be mental patient. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course there's a lot of science I haven't personally replicated... but then again, I've probably replicated a hell of a lot more scientific experiments than you ever have or will. You've thrown out science and maths entirely... so all we have left to rely on is your words... which are fucking meaningless. If gossip is the best you you can up with to refute me, then you're a failure. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... you're a moron... who has in the past denied mathematics straight out... Where there are mathematic proofs, you've completely ignored them, and failed to find any fault with either the rules of inference, or the axioms... Utility is a good example, which is a mathematical proof that comes from decision theory. Scarcity will always exist, wherever your desires outstrip your resources. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You claim everything is gossip... On the other hand, I've done the maths, and your entire refutation is 'gossip'... You are actually retarded. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maths is gossip... You're just a fucking idiot... I'm gonna throw a party here for everyone when you expire. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes, but you can 'test' axioms... by the conclusions they lead to... The axiom that you have an ordered set of preferences leads to Utility... the axiom that you don't have an ordered set of preferences lead to you not caring what happens to you. Clearly you do care what happens, therefore the axiom is more than likely true, because nothing else explains the observations... Axioms are only conclusions without proof in MATHEMATICS... In science, they are testable and meaningful. You're right... a bot wouldn't have to be very sophisticated to confuse everyone here with it being you... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS You'll have to use an infinite character set too.. to get around his argmnt... well, assuming we aren't going with your infinite length sentences... which I hope not... cause you're really being stupid then... but that's not stopped you before... so, let's see... gossip? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's not infinite... It's very very large... but finite... Unless you have infinitely long sentences or an infinite character set... If you don't satisfy either of those constraints, it's just extremely large... which is a long way from infinite... but only if you accept crazy theories that have been bandied about that you might find in fields such as mathematics. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fine... I accept that you could have an infinite sentence... I mean, you would have to have either an infinite amount of time to say it in, or an infinite amount of paper, or computer bits to store them on... So, in theory... we could have "0 says that 1 says that 2 says that 3 says.... infinite says 'trane is a joke'"... Yes... so, you could allow an infinitely long sentence... which makes it theoretically infinitely long. So, you allow one of the constraints, an infinitely long sentence, you have an infinity. But the worlds longest sentence isn't infinite... so practical sentences don't have this property... and what would be the point... it wouldn't communicate anything... no one would know who the fuck said what after the tenth person anyway. So, theoretically infinite... but definitely never practically. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Correct... No practical sentence could be infinite... because our universe is finite... So, that actually puts a limit on the infinite length sentence... all practical sentences must be finite in length. Meaning his only out now is an infinite character set. I'm thinking there might be problems there too... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well yeah... Any character set you could define on a computer is going to be finite... cause practical computers are equivalent to Turing Machines with a finite tape! There's only a finite number of bits to store your character set in... because we live in a finite universe. I think trane's thoroughly lost this one. Unless this is all just gossip... which means it's not true, like the gossip meme he keeps on about... oh wait. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm pretty sure there is no maximum prime... they go to infinity... Sentences, otoh, cannot go to infinity, because you run out of space. And just because you can add to knowledge... doesn't mean it is without limit... a sum of an infinite series isn't necessarily infinite itself. You probably didn't know that though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You might be right that the largest expressible prime is finite. The largest expressible prime and largest expressible sentence are finite. In theory a sentence can go on forever... but for what purpose? I got no idea... certainly it would be an unparsable sentence for a human being. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Finite amount plus finite amount equal finite amount... Assuming such a thing even exists... And then there's the problem of dark energy making more stuff leave our light cone than it creates. All up, what mumble didn't get, is that you are woefully scientifically illiterate, and generally an insufferable idiot. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes, you are... Exactly my point... you refuse to use science or maths... so gossip is all you're ever left with. Which makes you and your input pointless and useless. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No you're not... you won't even accept math that's right in front of you. You fall back to literally your own hot air... with nothing to support it... not EVEN gossip. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Mostly, it is because I've actually worked through the proofs, and found no errors with them, and have not been able to refute the axioms, or have tested with alternative axioms and seen that they lead to clearly unlikely results. You just straight out use emotion and denial... and strawmen such as 'gossip'... without even looking at the maths. Utility is the most obvious example I have here... because the maths says that every decision making agent can be modelled as if it is following a utility function... and you just go on about dollars or some shit that has nothing to do with utility... cause you never did the maths (or are incapable of doing the maths). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Seriously, I really doubt you have... Aren't your degrees all in the field of arts? I'm pretty sure they're not very heavy into mathematics. Do you even know what e^(i*pi) + 1 equals? If not, then I very much doubt you've done more proofs than me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maths is not natural language... to go through maths, even though the steps are often explained in natural language, is not the same as natural language... the maths steps are true without the natural language. And you don't know the value of that function... so I gonna conclude that you didn't actually do much maths. And the gossip meme is gossip... I've already been through this, if you're refuting anything using the term gossip, it's a very weak refutation, because the meme refutes itself as gossip... gossip is gossip and you know it... cause it is all handed to you by someone else... hell, you already posted a picture to prove that all science is gossip, one you didn't make. You talk to birds, because they're the only ones with brains small enough to be on your level. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, as MDC pointed out the other day... In PURE MATHEMATICS, axioms are considered to be GIVEN... not conclusions... they are the base of all the theorems and proofs that follow from them. In APPLIED MATHEMATICS, such as physics, computer science, economics or anything else, they are the basis for models that are TESTABLE and FALSIFIABLE. Otherwise Euclidean and Reimannian geometry would be equally valid models... and they are MATHEMATICALLY equally valid... but only Reimannian geometry is applicable to how space time works as far as our ability to TEST it has shown. You can't just give up and say axioms are conclusions... that's bullshit... that's true only in APPLIED mathematics, but not SCIENCE. In SCIENCE we can TEST the CONCLUSIONS that RESULT from the AXIOMS we start with... so we can tell useful axioms from obviously wrong ones. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Second last sentence should be: that's true only in PURE mathematics... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 We get infinities in maths all the time... Integers are infinite... Then we get cool things like some infinities are bigger than others... for example, even though there are an infinite number of reals between 0 and 1, there are MORE reals between 0 and 1 than there are integers! The Integers are countably infinite, the reals between 0 and 1 are uncountably infinite... There are even larger infinities (I think, but I can't recall them right now). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, they can be used in some functions... Usually the result is either infinite or zero or something like that... 1/infinity aprox zero, for example... You might integrate over an infinity to get a finite number... say the gaussian distribution... or even sum(1/2^n) 0>=n>=infinity equals 2 (I think). probably the sum(n) -infinity>=n>=infinity equals zero... but I'm not so sure... A crazy one is sum(n) 0>=n>=infinity equals -1/12... well... it doesn't, but there's a nice proof to show that it should. Maths with infinities can become very weird very quickly. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Turing Machines are defined as operating on an infinitely long tape... So, all our practical machines are less powerful than Turing Machines. Yet there are mathematical proofs for Turing Machines... so all our practical machines have at least these limitations too. Mathematicians on the whole are pretty good dealing with infinities... physicists don't like them (singularities are basically infinities that appear in physics, and normally believed to be where the physics is wrong)... and engineers just work around them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, black holes are one singularity that appear. But aren't too much of a problem, cause they're hidden behind the event horizon. I understand though, that singularities crop up all over the place when you try to combine say quantum mechanics and relativity... which is the main reason the theories are incompatible and therefore they know that there is something wrong. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, the mathematical singularity that appears in GR, is within the event horizon... so, while it appears in the maths, we can't see it in real life, because it's hidden. And the reason the theories are at odds with each other is because combining them leads to singularities... it's the singularities (infinities) that tell us they are at odds. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You've confused mathematics with physics again... Easy enough mistake for an ancient greek philosopher... they didn't know better... and seemingly, nor do you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Right, but physics is observation... which tells us that the reachable universe is finite... Maths has infinities, but our observation of the universe says no. the ancient greeks didn't know the difference, but you're actually confused on a whole different level. Clearly rape is relevant to this topic... I imagine you throw that one out cause you know what a loser you actually are. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 He obviously didn't learn anything doing those courses... so, not sure giving him free money is going to help anyone. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Francis Crick of DNA fame said he 'saw' the structure of DNA on an LSD trip. There's also the theory that Unix was a result of LSD being easily available at Berkley in the day. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't see a rant... I just see a bunch of square looking squashed spiders... is this some kind of art? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Because it devalues money... Let's index all money, so that's a total of 100 units instead... Now, you see that the best case scenario, all you can do is redistribute it. GS provides a useful service to the financial industries, and programmers provide a useful service to GS... You, on the other hand, are useful to nobody... Just a useless idiot. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, I LIKE to be mean... what's it to you? And what have you done for me anyway? You want me to give you something for nothing? Fucking fail faggit. You want free money, why don't you go suck some cock instead of whining all the time that you can't maths or science? Good luck with that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm sorry dude... I'm so far behind doing my own stuff it's not funny... Marginal profits tended to zero on my trading apps, as predicted... the Aus government bought in a stupid GST ruling on BTC trading that just makes it not worth it... I got no businesses left to sell... I probably have to get a job... and I procrastinate probably as bad as MDC... so, I'm really lazy busy at the moment. Such is life. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I am... It's just not a high priority right now... I will take a look at it, but give me a few more weeks pls. I'm supposed to be rebuilding someone's website, and I've put that off for like 3 months already... it's shameful how far behind I am in things. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The whole point of the free market is to show that we are best off when we are most free to do as we want to do. It's not about making the most money, it's not making sure businesses have the biggest balance sheets... because all those things lead to very different conclusions. What has cleaning camp sites got to do with balance sheets? Why would you do it if you aren't being paid? How does this improve a company's balance sheet? Yet, it has everything to do with utility... The problem with you is that you expect humanity as a whole to give you a free ride, an easy existence. That the government, representing the will of the people, give you free money, when you're perfectly capable of sucking cock to earn a living. Personally, if you (in particular) were starving to death, I would be happy to watch you die that way, because of your entitlement attitude, I think it's what you deserve. However, I don't agree with Ayn Rand... Ayn Rand supported laissez-faire economics, which doesn't take into account the effects of externalities, imperfect competition, imperfect information or the second welfare theorem, that pareto optimal allocations with other beneficial properties can be bought about through redistribution. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The AI knows all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_scream It just doesn't know what to do with it yet. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The Afshar Experiment Just want to share the Afshar Experiment and the Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics with everyone who has an interest in physics here. For those who want a brief summary, the Afshar experiment is a variant of the old double slit experiment that demonstrates that the interference pattern continues to exists, whilst also recording which slit the photon passes through... so violating the wave particle complementarity of the Copenhagen interpretation. This kills the Schrodinger's Cat. So, is it fair to say now that particles aren't waves after all? That they are in fact particles that follow the paths of atemporal waves instead? Can someone with a better understanding of physics share their point of view. Well... I've done a fair bit of reading on this one over the last few years... it's not an experimental error, and appears to be very easily replicated. And the something deeper is given in the transactional interpretation... some sort of waves are emanating forward in time (retarded waves) from the source and simultaneously emanating backward in time (advanced waves) from the receiver, cancelling out everywhere except for a standing wave between the two events which form the path that the particles actually travels along. It is these waves that generate the interference pattern, but the particles that we actually observe. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's a very easy experiment to set up... You just need the usual double slit experiment, using photons.. place a diffraction grating where the antinodes are in the interference pattern... so you can see that all the photons get through, a lens to focus the photons such that whichever slit they go through, they will be focused on one of two detectors... There you have it... the interference pattern must exist, or otherwise the diffraction grating would block approximately half of them, and we know which slit they must have passed through, because of which detector they fall upon. So, the wave particle duality is broken. There's no experimental error here. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Funny... Most of the other critical physicists (lol, run!) say the problem is most likely that we can't really infer an interference pattern. Of the two possible criticisms, I would have thought not knowing which slit it passed through would be the weaker of the two... by what reasoning could you claim that the classical focussing would stop working? This should be easy enough to prove anyway, with a modified setup: Step 1: Standard two slit experiment with pre-slit detectors, know which slit the photon passes through and see gaussian distribution. Step 2: Turn off pre-slit detectors, see interference pattern. Step 3: Remove screen and add lens and detectors... measure the amount of light falling on detectors. Step 3: Add diffraction grating and see the amount of light falling on the detectors doesn't change. Step 4: Turn on pre-slit detectors, see the level of light falls from detectors. Though every post-lens detector photon corresponds to the correct pre-lens detector photon. Step 5: Remove diffraction grating, see the amount of light returns to Step 2&3 levels AND that the pre-slit detectors agree with the post-lens detectors. If this was true, how could you claim we couldn't infer which slit the light passed through? How could you claim there wasn't an interference pattern? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh... hold on... I think I see a problem... You can't detect which slit a photon goes through with pre-slit detectors that don't absorb the photon and not allow it to pass through... The experiment that has pre-slit detectors to destroy the interference pattern uses electrons, as you can detect the electromagnetic wave of the electron as it passes through without destroying the electron itself... I don't think there's an equivalent experiment for photons. And if you did try and use electrons for the experiment... I'm not sure that you could create an electro-magnetic lens that operates in the same way as an optical lens (true or false, I don't know?)... and would the electrons interact with the metal in the diffraction grating in ways you wouldn't expect light to? Arrrgggh.... I don't know... I personally think that Afshar is right, and that this gives some new insight into QM... but I don't know enough to say for certain. I reckon the controversy is simply 60 odd years of scientists thinking of particles as having wave/particle duality... that the particle somehow interfered with itself and must have passed through both slits... but actually it was something else that passed through both slits whilst we can only observe the particle itself. A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. -- Max Plank Science advances one funeral at a time. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, well 2004 is really very recent... That's some time since I left academia... Young's original experiment was demonstrated in 1803... so plenty of time for people to ponder it, and the electron version with pre-slit detectors was performed in the 1970s... so that's the version I was always familiar with... and I think the one discussed in undergrad physics 'proving' that individual electrons must be passing through both slits to interfere with itself, and thus proving wave/particle duality. So, if not already, it probably won't be too many years when Afshar's experiment is shown to undergrad physics students along with the other two to ponder about until someone makes a new breakthrough one way or the other. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 And that's the point of Afshar, right? Finding a way to look at light as a wave and a particle at the same time. I mean, the nature of the photon doesn't change by the way we look at it, that's the way it seems to be stated (not mathematically, but I can't remember my undergrad physics well enough to say for certain), but only the aspects of what we see change by the way we look at it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Physics and science in general never makes the claim that because they can't explain it that it doesn't exist... just that they can't explain it, so it's not explained or known to exist... that's quite a different thing from saying it cannot exist. Not sure what you mean by the detector being a transverse wave detector there... and as far as the transactional interpretation goes, there is no observer effect... schrodinger's cat is dead (or alive, but definitely not both)... thus the Copenhagen interpretation is out... along with the many worlds theory. It takes all sorts in this world... each doing what they most want to do... there is demand for pure research, let them at it... not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur or whatever. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I've pointed out this experiments in dozens of comments here over the years... but no one's ever replied to me about it... so I thought it was time for the diary. It's relatively recent I suppose as far as science goes... so will take a while to filter down through academia... but there it is, so I hope someone with more knowledge than I can give me some thoughts on it. Personally, I believe it demonstrates that our old views of QM were slightly wrong... though this was always suspected... and although it doesn't really change the maths apparently... it also gives me some belief in retro-causality... that future events can affect the present or past... though I'm not sure if it can be harnessed to pass information backwards through time, or faster than light... but I think it keeps the possibility open. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's quite funny hey... Half the critics claim that the interference pattern exists, but you can't infer the path the particle took... and the other half claiming that you can infer the path the particle took, but they're not sure there ever really was an interference pattern. Just join both groups and say, nope no interference pattern, and who knows how the hell the particles got to the detectors. Throw hands in the air. LOL. I think this is a good example for anyone saying that phycists all agree on what's going on, even the same experiment, the same results, the same maths, and they're all like it means this, and the other lot are like, no it means that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 When you say it brings no new math... Does the pilot wave theory bring new math to it? Cause it appears to... Isn't there similar math for TQIM? Isn't it just that the math makes no new predictions, rather than there not being new math to describe the retarded and advanced waves? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, I know about the electron/positron thing... and I've heard of the single electron theory too. Is it possible that the new maths does make some predictions, just that we haven't yet looked at it correctly or in such a way that we just haven't been able to make any new predictions yet? Or does the math simplify down such that it can't make new predictions, no matter what? If the afshar experiment is correct... isn't that in itself a verification of a testable prediction that the current description of QM can't account for? If you can't answer this, is the answer to simply wait another 25 years or so until the results become clear and accepted amongst academia, or otherwise get dismissed? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's not that I disagree with you... It's just that I don't like the answers you're giving me. I like to think that one day we'll work out how to manipulate the retarded/advanced waves themselves and send messages from the end of time back to the start of time and cause the big bang. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh, for sure, 100% agree... but only if you're one of those dirty causalisists... especially if you buy into all that light cone nonsense. From a 5 dimensional space time perspective though, it should all work out okay. We just need (yet another) time dimension. Otherwise just accept that future events can affect the past... retro-causality... and it's all okay... you can still learn to sleep at night. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I saw a Paul Davies lecture on the Big Bang Black Holes and Quasars when I was in year 9. My science teacher dropped free tickets on us (we were huge nerds, go figure), at the local university, and my Dad took me and a friend. My Dad made some wonderful notes of the lectures. I imagine lost to time. Not sure I followed along all that closely, but certainly made me think at that age. I still remember the universe as expanding balloon analogy of everything being at the centre of an expanding universe (I know, it's only an analogy and breaks down)... also about event horizons and naked singularities... The quasar thing interested me the least (just weird star like things, aren't they?)... though I still wonder why their all so far away. Yeah... I was specifically talking about an extra time dimension... In fact, I think I read somewhere, either hawking, or he was commenting on it, added TWO extra 'imaginary' time dimensions to one of his models... I think the point was that one of them allows real time itself to evolve out of the equations as it comes into existence during the big bang... I can't remember what the second one was for... It was all in layman's terms of course... but still, it's not that controversial an idea... I think string theory (I know, it has a too many parameters to make useful predictions problem) has this. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Can't say I know enough to say whether the imaginary time was 'i' or an additional time dimension... I suspect the latter, cause it was mentioned there were two additional time dimensions... and that real time comes into existence along with the spacial dimensions as one of the imaginary time dimensions advances... it especially gets around the zero time point... what happens before, and at that point... but then time evolves in a way like space along that axis. But I really don't know much more about it than that... just an idea I found interesting. Yeah, the 11 dimensions of string theory comes out of it being the minimum number of dimensions to satisfy some group theory something... fuck it, I'm so far out of my depth at this point I may as well just give up. I could barely cope with Lorentz transformations... but I think I did better with some of the QM stuff... cause all the extra time we spent studying semiconductor theory. We really only did enough physics that was needed to apply it to engineering. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, but I don't think that's how it was used... but I don't know the maths, so I don't know... but the way it was put was that real time evolved out of but along with imaginary time... whereas, with your analogy the real and imaginary components would have their separate domains (y<b, y>b)... and the little graph that accompanied it didn't show that. Like if you graphed the two relative to each other, that would just be two lines along the respective axis... and this wasn't... there was a relationship there. I was exaggerating a tiny bit there with the Lorentz thing... I never failed a class... but I'd probably still have to look some details today... All I remember is something like 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) is a factor... off the top of my head??? That was some two decades ago for me... didn't come up much in any dev, deployment, support role or any stock trading, business, econ, ai or ann or any thing I've done since... so you know... a bit rusty on that one. I'd even be less able to recall how Young's Modulus operates in materials... but I'd consider the theory in general (non-mathematical) terms far easier. Like I said, I'm an engineer... physics was just shit I had to pass that might somehow be relevant in other ways... but mostly I think just to exercise the mind in certain ways of thinking I suppose... and a foundation for if you ever had to use that stuff, but I'd definitely have to look it back up to apply it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You could roll a dice and claim the same thing... The TIQM claim is that the wave collapses atemporally along the two events (transmission and absorption of the photon)... along the path defined by the advanced and retarded waves. Yeah, from a knowledge point of view... you end up with two probabilities 50/50... but I think we can throw this out from a physical point of view ever since we inferred object persistence as toddlers. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Pity Comment $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What I like is the $5 Kuro5hin introduction Okay, thanks for the $5, the first thing you're going to have to do is send $5 to Rusty... LOL... Though it would probably even funnier in Sye speak... "The $5 of the first kind being to bring much happiness to you joy for finding of the Rusty payment for $5 to be accessing K5 - with help of Holy Ghost your way is now clear". I'm almost tempted to setup a website that accepts a $5 payment (in bitcoin, of course) to help you get access to Sye's Kuro5hin Introduction service... If we could just get MDC to setup a $5 introduction to procrasti's introduction to sye's introduction to K5 service... we could bilk them all for $20 bucks between us before telling them to "Fuck off and Lurk Moar Null0 Faggit! News at -$11" ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Wow... That's scary how such a popular exchange could have such a catastrophic bug. If you can reliably trigger it, I'd exploit the hell out of it... Keep doubling up until you own their entire exchange... convert from Euro back to to DRK, cash out your DRK and repeat with double the amount (maybe 1.5 times the amount, and keep the rest in case they catch on as a hedge, even 50% a day you'll be rich in no time... if you can trigger it just once an hour, wow). Knowing that, I'm glad I don't have any assets there. So, is DRK like provably anonymous or something in ways BTC isn't? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your prices are too high... Assuming standard demand curves, demand should be higher at a lower price... and given zero demand, the derivative can point in only one direction... lower prices. Although, if you'd like to assume that you are selling Veblen goods, then maybe your prices are way too low... You could try charging say for a $50,000 K5 Introduction Service... At this price you could probably provide a more personal service, fly to your customer, actually walk them through the sign up process (or have their account premade before you get there), post their first diary and story for them (so they don't get called Null0 faggits), give them a signed T-shirt and companion Mug (I paid $50,000 and all I got was this lousy T-shirt, Mug and K5 account), and maybe even a happy ending... or at least say, a nice bouquet of flowers and/or gift basket. I always thought there was a strong Asian market for conspicuous spending... so, hey, why not? What's the worst that could happen? You don't sell any? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Giffen goods are specifically inferior goods with no substitutes (like corn bread from the only baker in a corn farming village)... priced low enough that they're the cheapest thing the poor can afford, but as they go up in price, (because income effects) the poor can no longer afford some other thing they might like more, say steak, so they have to buy more of the giffen good to substitute it... the higher the price, the more they have to buy! But they're still relatively cheap... the point of them is theoretical to show how demand curves could slope the 'wrong' way. It is hard to find examples of Giffen goods in real life... partly because we usually deal in aggregates and averages... but might include me buying meat pies at the local shops cause I'm broke, making me more broke and forcing me to buy more meat pies cause I can't afford to go shopping... I don't know. Veblen goods are specifically luxury goods, where the high price itself makes it a status symbol and therefore drives demand... like a $50k K5 account that comes with gold plated and etched user id certificate you could hang on your wall... you buy it specifically because the likes of Trane never could. They could then write diaries how they spent $50k dollars on a single K5 account, while Trane can barely afford 5 $5 accounts. So, yeah... it's all about the packaging and marketing. You could make a fortune! Shit, sell K5 accounts with bronze plated certificates for $20k, silver for $50k, gold for $150k and platinum for $500k... you could be making millions! And as a side effect, we could get some decent users here for a change. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Insurance isn't a bad thing... If the insurance company underestimates the risk, they lose money... so it's important for them to get things right too. The problem is really only a problem when the government underwrites the real risk, and bails out companies because they are 'too big to fail'... This means there was no real risk all along... this isn't Free Market at all... It's socialism for the rich. It completely destroys money as a signalling system. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... but I wasn't replying to that... I was replying to Trane's stupid statement that doing arbitrage or using insurance is somehow bad or wrong. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, okay... I mean, I do agree that the analogy is stupid... But his little tirade against GS and hedging was thrown in there cause he always like to attack the idea of hedging... like it's making money for nothing. I admit I read a little bit between the lines there... but it's not like it's not a fav topic of his. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Now we hit the first welfare theorem... That the Free Market will find a pareto optimum where no one can be made better off WITHOUT making someone worse off. If there were infinite resources this wouldn't be true... but he really is asking to be made better off at other people's expense... even if he thinks printing money comes out of free air... it doesn't, because money represents resources. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nitpicking... Economics deals with human choices... so those things you listed are included... No, it doesn't deal with atmospheric processes or physics or anything like that. It's domain isn't unlimited... that would be ummm foolish. As far as 'proofs' go... I'm not sure they could proven the excess humors cause of disease in the same way as economists can prove the free market theorems... they could probably show correlation, so, as far as it was the best model available to them at the time, and they could probably demonstrate that... they were right. When better models were able to demonstrate better correlations, then they became 'wrong'. The Free Market Theorems however are MATHEMATICAL proofs... and maths in never wrong... in that IF THE AXIOMS ARE CORRECT, then the PROOFS that follow MUST ALSO BE CORRECT. A good real life example is the proof that a triangle has internal angles that sum to 180 degrees... You probably agree with that, right? EXCEPT it's not true if you drop the axiom that parallel lines never meet... which is one of the five axioms of Euclidean geometry... and the funny thing is, we live in a universe where that axiom turns out to be false... Parallel lines on the earth will meet at the poles (well for those running north south), so triangles don't have that property on the earth's surface (it's also not a plane), but also parallel lines intersect at the singularity of a blackhole... general relativity defines a non-euclidean space time... so again, euclidean geometry doesn't match reality. So, if there IS a problem with the Free Market Welfare Theorems... it MUST be in the AXIOMS. So, that is what I mean by Free Market is proven... However, I find the axioms quite reasonable... and dropping some of them results in nonsensical answers - like if we don't have a preference for one thing over another, would mean we don't care no matter what happens to us, and that's intuitively false... or that scarcity doesn't exist, would mean we have everything we could ever want... also seems intuitively false... The only other problem is using proofs outside of their domains - say treating public goods as if they were private (though we have proofs for that stuff too)... but the most common problem is simply representing it as something it is not -- say, that government shouldn't have ANY involvement in the market... when the proofs show quite the opposite, but they show instead what type of involvement for each type of problem. Sorry to rant... It's just that I think mathematical proofs have their own existence... either the rules weren't followed (which just makes it wrong, rather than false)... or the axioms are false... but with a set of axioms, everything that follows must be true IF the axioms are true... and where they are false... the proofs are still true WHERE the axioms are true. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ummm.... I was pretty clear that economics has nothing to do with the weather dude... that it is well and truly outside of that domain. The rest was off topic maybe, but a little bit more detail about what economic proofs are... and what I mean by proofs. And the whole earth, wind, fire and water is a model... just not a very good one... and though they reasoned it out... you are probably right that they had no formal scientific method... I bet their cures worked slightly above pure chance on average... and so were still useful. I'd imagine being forced fed a cask full of cold water would make you think next time you got a bit pissed off. And the lobotomy thing clearly works... it's just that you'd probably rather have the disease than the cure. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What am I talking about? Of course economics is relevant to the weather... You might have heard of something called climate change? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 BWT, I'm not an economist... I'm an engineer and well aware of applying the right models and theories to the right domain. Hammers have always been simply one tool in my box. The fact that I've extended my toolbox to include economics should point to the opposite conclusion than what you draw. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Alright... so, I totally get your point... I really do... and in fact it's what I'm trying to fix. Now, I can't use different terms, because the meaning is academically well defined... as an analogy, lets say the term hacker has a definite technical academic meaning and the there's theory all about it, and all good engineers who work on difficult technical problems are hackers... but for some reason the media has used the term hacker to describe crackers, and this has been used to discredit any engineers and so we're headed for a technically illiterate society, and when the engineers stand up and say look at all these good things we do, they get booed and called thieves who just want to crack passwords and steal everyone's bank account. That's kind of how I feel about the free market. Now, I may have been bringing it up in many diaries and topics... for sure... cause I'm trying to get these points across... (I also wanted to know the theory to justify basic income)... but I don't think it's comparable to basic income and challenges, just for the simple fact that I'm really not going beyond the well accepted theory on the matter... and, as far as I can tell, I haven't been using it outside of its applicable domains. Though I use some parts outside of the domain of the entire theory, those parts are within their own domain (ie, Utility is applicable to any decision making agent, in or out of a free market, and so is applicable directly to AI for example, and all human choices, and even animals). You'll see I never said that the free market can be used to predict the weather (wait, actually, I do have a solution to that... damn... predictive markets... but that's another topic)... okay, you can't use economics to MODEL the weather... or thermodynamics, or quantum mechanics, or a whole heap of other reasonably interesting topics... I do understand its domain, and I'm not pushing it outside of that domain... it's just that, as humans making choices in what we do, it's applicable to a hell of a lot of our daily lives. I see some of trane's ideas would be like arguing in favour of free energy devices... so I would bring up thermodynamics... but then consider yourself living in a society where everyone mocks you for bringing up thermodynamics all the time... oh my god, he's on about thermodynamics again... can't he see all the free energy we get from the sun? What's this guy's problem, he's just trying to stop us having our free energy... no. The thing is, I really do think that the term free market has been barstardised by the media and politicians serving a wealthy elite who want to discredit the free market for their own ends... mostly so that they can take greater advantage of people! They bastardise it in many ways... the most obvious way is to suggest that governments should keep their filthy hands off anything that makes private interests money... So, for example, and speaking of weather... carbon taxes or cap and trade and similar things are free market ideas --- well, they are the fixes to the market to bring about free market like equilibriums... because the atmosphere is a public good, and dumping carbon into the atmosphere is a negative externality, therefore the solution is pigovian taxes - the problems are so few, and the solutions are well known, I don't even have to think about it to know that is the actual solution to the problem. So anyway... can you see the problem I'm facing... it is exactly analogous to the hacker / cracker problem... you are absolutely right... I say free market, people point out the market raping them and taking their wallet, I say, that's the market, and it's not the free market because a, b or c (and there really is only a small handful of problems and solutions to them), and they say, whatever dude, I was told that was the free market, and I don't know what you're going on about, (and greengrass's statement) that we probably shouldn't even have a free market! So, I'm like, wtf... then what is the alternative? Cause the alternative is being told what to do... the free is free as in choice... you can't be raped if you volunteered for it... by definition! Basically... for the majority of our social issues, I see are problems with things not being the free market --- prohibition, and all it's woes... cause it's not a free market... pollution... not a free market... price manipulation... not a free market... fraudulent advertising... not a free market. And the final nail in the coffin, is wealth inequality... the fact that the rich are getting richer, while middle class wages have been stagnant or dropping for the last 4 decades... I suggest some forms of wealth redistribution -- and everyone shouts THAT'S NOT FREE MARKET --- when fuck it, that's covered by the fucking SECOND WELFARE THEOREM... like only the number two theorem derived from free market economics... I can't win one way or the other. Also, I'm imagining a future of powerful AIs and robots taking over almost every possible job in the not too distant future... but I believe they will be owned by private interests... basically the end game of technological advancement and capital concentration that Marx warned about... people talk of the end of scarcity and restructuring our society etc... but really... the free market is still the solution... if we can wrestle the benefits of that system back from the inevitable few wealthy elite who own them... we still need price signals so they produce what we want... there's no restructuring necessary, just plain old free market capitalism, wealth taxes and basic income (aka the second fucking welfare theorem!!). So, if you can put some of your brain power into helping me out here... I'd actually really appreciate it. On the other hand, I could just shut the fuck up and care only for myself and put my knowledge to maximising my own bank accounts, privatise my profits while socialising my costs while calling that the free market and fuck the rest of you... but that would be going against my free market ethics --- if you have to produce externalities... produce positive ones. What can I do? Shut the fuck up about it? Let everyone wallow in ignorance? I don't know. I guess... the only thing I might ask... if you got some spare time... and are capable of doing calculus... maybe hit a micro-econ mooc... then come back to me, and I think you'd be like, wow --- my eyes are open, I see what you were talking about... how can these guys not get it? Why did I ever think I was in a free market? That's not a free market, that's not a free market, that's not a free market*... oh look, all the shit everyone's complaining about is not a free market... why do they keep calling it that? *: except very occasionally --- that's not a free market --- but for a very good reason! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I couldn't help it: I couldn't let you miss this one: http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2015/4/5/19348/63979/21#21 ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... I agree with this... Axioms are given... and then assumed to be true for the proofs that follow... not that they are assumed to be true in general... so your wording is more correct than mine. Especially in the field of pure mathematics. However, if you come up with a set of axioms, and use them to prove that all people are actually tomatoes... then you will know that one of your axioms is wrong... at least in this reality... right? I mean, if your axioms lead to absurd proofs, you know the problem is with your axioms. So, you can always test (some combination of) axioms by assuming the opposite (or absence, or an addition) (of one or more of them) and seeing what proofs will follow, and if they result in nonsense, you will have more confidence in your original set of axioms. But this is in the field of applied mathematics, where we would care about such things. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Use Free Markets to Predict the Weather? So you think the weather is outside of the domain of free market economics... oh you simple fool... nothing is outside the domain of free market economics! Behold, the power of: Predictive Markets. Short the rain this weekend! Benefit from hedging, arbitrage, and insurance of your positions for maximum weather prediction accuracy*. *: Illegal in most states under US law... Home to The One True Free MarketTM(PBUH) - terms and conditions apply (please see inside packaging for details). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Even if physics turns out to be discrete that doesn't prove we're in a simulation. Also, I don't think the universe runs on mathematics... just that mathematics can describe any universe with consistent (even statistical) rules. If you find yourself in a reality where mathematics doesn't work... nothing would mean anything anyway... it's either entirely noise without structure, or it's meaningless. True is False and nothing is distinguishable. Though I think you're right, that it's unprovable that you are not in a simulation... and I don't think it's possible to have a (mathematical consistent) reality where you can. So, when Neo is taken out of the matrix, there's no way of telling that he still isn't in the matrix. Also, hence my theory that not even God could prove he wasn't just some creation of a higher being. So, Ave Satanis... May as well worship a god that delivers you concrete results... a god you can believe in. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... but no... The universe doesn't run on mathematics... the universe is... and certain mathematics describes it... simple enough to prove, because you can create any physics from mathematics, an infinite number of different physics, and the universe only operates on exactly one of them... even if we don't fully know what that one is. If it was the other way around, we wouldn't need to test our physics at all... the physics would be derivable purely from mathematics... and it isn't... which is why we require the scientific method. And even if your lattice QCD is right... and you prove it... it's still a 'maybe' this is "God"'s sim... maybe not... it doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that our physics happen to work that way. Conversely, if we are in a simulation, the physics of the universe of which we are simulation could be anything... and no reason to presume a lattice like artifact would be needed... There's no reason to presume our universe is limited to what can run on a Turing Machine. The most we could say about the universe we are a simulation within, if indeed we are, would be that it must have mathematically consistent rules... otherwise our universe could not, and it does. So, no matter what you find in our physics, the simulation argument remains an unknowable. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 In the beginning was the empty set... And the empty set was with God... and the empty set was God. LOL. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sorry... it does "run on" maths... for a certain definition of "run on" I guess... in that it (appears) to evolve following some set of mathematical rules... like you said. Sorry... I was kind of getting confused with some of the Platonic mathematical philosophy that maths creates the universe... which I think is rubbish... I think the philosophy there was that for any mathematical system you can define... kind of creates a universe where that is true... but I think that's clearly rubbish. The idea persists in the Mathematical Universe Theory (if I'm reading it right). But yeah... it does appear to follow a set of rules, like anything we can simulate on a Turing Machine... Even QM is a subset of Turing machines... though only if the universe doesn't have infinite precision... as I stated a long time ago... a recursive neural network that allows transcendental weights is capable of super turing computation... so, they aren't computable on an actual computer... and probably require infinite precision calculations... and I don't think it's determined yet whether our universe has infinite precision or not (even if we can't measure below the plank length, the universe could still have precision below that, right?). Also, I have a pretty strong feeling the universe doesn't evolve just forward in time... but interactions occur in both directions... have you heard of the afshar experiment? I'm pretty sure his transactional view of QM has some pretty deep philosophical implications. My point being that even if our universe is a simulation it may not be limited by the same limitations of what we can simulate... that whether we are simulation or not is forever unknowable (even if you escape out of the simulation somehow, or interact with the host universe... that could also be a simulation)... and we probably can't derive the physics of the host universe, yet there is still one strong limitation to it... that it must be a mathematically definable universe (though unknowable). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I fucking love erlang... What a beautiful language. I wrote a poker hand evaluator in python... but it wasn't fast enough for my needs... so I figured I'd write it in erlang, and distribute the problem to as many machines as I could get my hands on... It worked... but wasn't natively fast... figured I'd need about 100 desktops or so to get the speeds I required. So, I rewrote it again in C (without the distributed stuff of course)... evaluates all possible hands in 100ms. Oh well... Erlang's great when you really need strong failover guarantees... but it's not the fastest horse in the race. Definitely see why it's used in telecoms, where you need 5 nines or better uptime. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 In the early to mid 90s I was an MS developer... When you have access to MSDN there's a wealth of information available... but only if you have the resources (wealth) to get access to it... which you generally do when a company pays for it, but as an individual, it was very expensive. Also, at best you had public APIs to work with. I first heard of Linux in 98, and someone put a copy on my computer... but I was still making apps in MS Visual Studio (and thinking DCOM was the future)... wasn't until 99 I really got into it... installed it on my home computers, started porting code to it, etc... Even in the early 2000s, was hard to get companies to see the value in it... though I would run it on my machines in virtual box (or something like that... did that exist back then?)... and generally get the company's software to work in that environment... By the mid 2000s though, I'd saved at least one company several million a year by moving the software from propriety unix to linux... Nowadays you'd find it hard not to find a large company that doesn't rely on Linux (or maybe FreeBSD or similar Free OSS) to some degree or another. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... I was sold by the economics of OSS... It actually makes a lot of sense... unlike your objections to corporate development... which also makes sense in certain situations and markets. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 incremental innovation, like the internet, x-rays, whatever else it was you went on about? You realise these things were created by the free market, right? The system works. No UBI needed AT ALL. You on the other hand have nothing to offer society... you're not going to make any break throughs... you never have... and your time is nearly up... You're a deranged crack head with no hope or future... stfu. We'd be better off as a society without you actually... maybe we should just tax the shit out of you, and if you can't pay, execute you... and improve the environment... call it Universal Fuck Trane Tax... Now, there's an argument with concrete facts. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course it's possible... Some unemployable crack head takes a draw on their pipe and has some weird revelation that turns out to be useful and creates some discovery that changes the world... for sure, why not. Do I think it will make such breakthroughs more likely on average? No... no I don't. TBL was working at CERN when he came up with the WWW... Einstein was working as a patent clerk... etc, etc... probably what these people had in common was that every day they were exercising their minds in different ways because of the work they were doing... that probably helped a lot. So, it's not that I think UBI is a bad idea... it's that what he thinks the advantages of it aren't... it has other advantages... but people aren't going to suddenly start working on challenges, creating robots and inventing the holodeck... Very few people have the talents for this anyway... and many times the research itself is still incredibly expensive and won't be created in anyone's bedroom... I actually think the Free Market is the most likely source of these types of inventions... What UBI does is reduce structural friction... meaning that people can be a bit bolder in seeking the right jobs for themselves... it increases competition for labour... instead of being scared that losing your job might leave you hungry and homeless... you can take risks... start your own company and stuff like that. Plus... at the right level... some people will be free to have more leisure time... and why not? That should really be the end goal of technological innovation anyway... rather than making us all effective slaves to a handful of super elite filthy rich. In america they don't have social security like we do... they get like 12 weeks and then it's either disability or starvation or something similar... we have it better... but the focus is on getting you into a job, not just allowing you to live... so, for us, there is still the question of whether a UBI is better than full time unemployment benefits... but for them, it's even worse. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL -- I missed you were fishing for compliments Well... some people are just productive anyway... Economics is all about differentials, right? The margins... So, you kind of compare the two states... you're already doing something (arguably) beneficial for society... so you can ask the question whether or not you'd be further along in your project with a UBI. I don't think it would make a huge difference, do you? Has funding yourself been a huge barrier to you? I wouldn't say that's been the limiting factor... would you? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's actually a good point... The government is free to spend money on R&D in ways private companies might not... They do so because of the expected positive externalities and also for national security. They have access to a lot of money, and are free to set their goals independently of profit. Anything military is a good example. In Free Market economies though, the workers still need incentives to make them do that through free choice. We don't draft our soldiers or our scientists... though they have in the past... and some countries still do (Iran nuclear scientists maybe). If trane really wanted holodecks, he should find a military use for them... prove they'd be the fastest way of breaking terrorists in psyops or something similar... Then the government could spend money on the absolute best and brightest minds and put them to that purpose, no matter the cost... rather than giving out UBI to random crack heads and relying on the Free Market from there (which is what he advocates, even if he doesn't know it). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh... also UBI changes nothing fundamentally about the Free Market... that also rallies against... the Free Market will still be the optimal market. Nor will it change The Market... nor people's behaviours... The Market will still reward the unscrupulous, the liars, the fraudsters... and just because you have a UBI, doesn't mean you still aren't subject to these influences. The first guy that comes along promising them first access to the non-existent holodeck that simply requires a 10 year contract for the value of their UBI... and bang... The Market will fuck the idiots again. If you interact with humans, you are subject to The Market... it will continue to need regulation to operate as a Free Market. UBI changes nothing. Nor will it reward these inventors he pointed out... cause it rewards non-inventors too... there's no special incentive to invent... what the market doesn't reward, neither does UBI... and I see no one offering up an alternative that does. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes it was... A dude, operating in the market, created something, and released it of his own free will... this is classic free market... what the fuck do you think a market is? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... everything is the market... Anytime you trade anything for anything... This is market, right here, right now... Market is UTILITY motivated... You could lose all your money and still gain utility... profit is not the key to the market, utility is. You can measure it in hours spent listening to the birds if you like. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Individuals don't have balance sheets... And profit is a companies utility... A balance sheet reduces to utility anyway. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're an idiot... Truly... Do you have a balance sheet? I don't have a personal balance sheet. You don't use natural language for balance sheets either... they have things called numbers... you might recall. Revenue: Quite a bit Liabilities: Also quite a bit. Assets: A little bit more. Seriously, your fucking retarded. Economists don't disagree with utility... though they might put more emphasis on companies balance sheets... they certainly didn't say utility was wrong. Relies on maths... jesus christ... what a fail fuck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 A balance sheet cannot explain a happy monk who has taken a vow of poverty... Utility does. So balance sheets might be considered more important for the health of an economy... cause they're far easier to work with... but they do not express people's actions. In fact, I think they're a terrible thing to focus on... Lots of rich companies doesn't mean people are actually happy. Only maximising utility implies people are happy. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Action = argmax(Utility(action); actions) That's the point... whatever you chose to do, is you maximising your utility... If you hate money and want to be a monk... that maximises his utility. To argue against the Free Market is to argue against the rights of the monk... if you want to maximise balance sheets... we should really be forcing him to work for a company. You could call it the happiness function (though, there's no actual guarantee it will make you happy), or do what the fuck you most want to do function (closest to what utility is). But that's how we use it... Why would I lie to you about it? I think you're using ad hominems cause you don't like to think. Especially don't want to admit you're wrong... cause you've spent so many years arguing against something that you never understood. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 And before you argue that's not the utility function itself... this is all we actually know about the utility function. If I defined the utility function (say utility of being a monk = 100, utility of being a banker = 1000, utility of crack = 300), then that would be saying that we all have the same utility function... that we'd all like to be monks, or we'd all like to be bankers, or that we'd all like to smoke crack, or that we'd all like to be against drugs... We know that the utility function is different for every person... and that we know no more than that about it. You're trying to add constraints that are unnecessary, because you are not used to dealing with abstract functions... yet mathematicians, engineers and economists are used to dealing with abstract functions all the time. Asking for more than that, is going beyond the theory... in fact... it's going against the theory entirely. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No amount of money printing is going to get you Bill's house... and I see no reason why you deserve it... nor any reason he doesn't (with some caveats). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Funny you think Bill Gates should live like you want to... This is why we analyse an unknown utility function, rather than dictate how others should live. You're a real selfish piece of shit... did you know that? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You must have meant you love him and his house when you said "Fuck Bill Gates's house." ... "Fuck those rich gated compound motherfuckers. How can they live like that when smarter ppl die because of politics and false economic theories? ". For some odd reason I interpreted as you saying he shouldn't live like that... sorry. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, when those scientists are freed up to solve AIDS... Who's going to do the job's they're currently doing? Or do you just think that AIDS is the most important thing to solve? You seem to think that people will do more work with a basic income... like, everyone will do all the work that is currently being done, plus all the challenges now they're free of market forces. Or your theory relies on the fact that all the work they are doing now is useless... which makes no sense to me at all. The only person around here who's work is completely useless is you... most people are being PRODUCTIVE. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This is an economically infeasible solution... Simply because the robot's don't currently exist... otherwise we wouldn't have people doing that work. There's no robot that can replace a chemist, a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer... They just aren't ready YET. Now, you might point to Watson, or something similar, maybe Google will get there first... oh look... all products of Free Market capitalism. The market drives innovation. This is all predicted by standard economic theory, that markets create technology over time in the drive for efficiency. So, if you can't show me the robots that are as capable as their human counterparts and cheaper too... you are speaking rubbish... and if they did already exist... then your argument would be moot... because they'd already have replaced those workers in those fields. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Do you have youtube video of one? No... cause they don't exist outside your crack filled fantasies... If they were cheaper (capital) than human labour, they'd have already replaced the human labour. The fact that they haven't is really simple proof that they don't yet exist... No scarcity driven company is going to waste money on people when it can profit by using machines. Thank god you're too poor to have any influence. Free Market puts you exactly where you belong... hungry, homeless and in the wilderness. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh look... the wonders of Free Market capitalism.. That's my fucking point... that's what Adam Smith predicted in the days of slave labour... and look PREDICTION turned into REALITY. Now show me the lawyer bot, the chemist bot, the engineer bot. Because Adam Smith never said free the slaves because the internet enables communication over vast distances... do you know why? Because THERE WAS NO FUCKING INTERNET AT THE TIME... it would have been ECONOMICALLY INFEASIBLE. HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU CUNT? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Technological advancement is an economic theory. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I just don't get the idea that everyone can do nothing... and yet still expect all the world's products and services to exist (at the same price too!!!)... it's too fucking nuts to even consider. If everyone was paid millions by the government in a UBI, we could all afford cheap blowjobs... and no one would have to give them! This is what dropping the law of non-contradiction gets you... because the above becomes totally feasible man... just have another draw on this pipe... it will all make sense. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Funny thing is, many people have no problem passing or even excelling at the MOOCs... Maybe the problem is that you're too stupid to follow along... Maybe it's not MOOCs you need at all... perhaps you need someone who has passed them to distill the information down to your level... like spoon feeding a baby. But you're still the kind of person who would swat even that spoon away... The failure is totally with you, not the MOOCs. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You deserve to suffer because you won't deal with your own Dunning-Kruger effect. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm just saying, I'm glad you're poor, unsuccessful and suffering. You get what you deserve. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What scarcity did I create? I'm happy with my lot... I don't suffer scarcity... You're the one complaining about it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No I don't... I want scarcity eliminated... That's kind of the point. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm glad a retard like you suffers... but I want to reduce scarcity in general. Is that too complicated for you? An engineer doesn't remove friction by pretending it doesn't exist... but I'd still like to see you dragged across a road tied to a rope on the back of a car. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're a sick puppy... You want to rape crack whores? That's fucked up... I wouldn't let you do that even in a holodeck... That would be like child porn, even if you aren't raping an actual child, it encourages it. If rape and murder are the best incentives you have, then fuck you and your whole ideas. I'd be willing to concede the fastest way to a holodeck would be through basic income... if you can demonstrate that mathematically... but you don't even have gossip on your side, just some crack fantasy. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Thanks... As you know, I'm a big believer in micro-economics and therefore Free Markets... with the caveat that they must be regulated in accordance with their assumptions to 'correct' The Market when it doesn't match those assumptions. I've gone over the axioms and gone through the mathematical proofs that derive from those axioms and I can find little wrong with the reasoning that flows from them. (though there is one axiom that semi-bothers me... but no one here is educated enough to discuss the matter with me... I hint at it often, but everyone goes off in other directions... so fuck you all for that one). And the second welfare theorem of free markets is quite clear on the fact that we can bring about pareto optimums with much better properties than the alternatives with a certain amount of wealth redistribution. It is clear to me, that wealth taxes are part of the solution to growing inequality... Then a UBI with progressive income taxes make sense as the second part... and I strongly believe that a balanced budget is necessary... in the long term. Throw all these together, and it's just a matter of demographics and mathematics to make them all balance. I do think it's a shame that most people have been brainwashed to be against the Free Market, and think it means letting big business do as it pleases... rather than realise it's an optimum state that can only be reached by correct regulation of The Market... given that the masses don't know what the correct regulations are (from mathematical principles) too often allows politicians to sell ideas that ultimately harm the population, while appearing to do good. Just imagine a world where everyone thought Trane's ideas made sense... a lot of that type of thinking actually goes on to appease an economically illiterate population. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 All the resurrection bunny's given me is clap in my eyeballs and a headache. Hail Satan. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well that's not very good is it? If one in a million have a great idea... that's like only 200 great ideas in America, and only 7000 world wide... It's gonna take a long time to get anything done under your system. Shit, I've had like 5 great ideas this afternoon... one of them was to send you one a one way journey to Mars... so you could set up your utopian society and pay yourself a basic income. Best of luck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Markets DRIVE innovation... Where did you think all this tech shit come from anyway? Hint: None of it was developed under a basic income and anti-market environment. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... you're just uneducated... They're nice words, but they don't stand up to scrutiny. Yes, much is unrewarded by the market... they are called Positive Externalities... there are ways to correct for these... In the realm of ideas, we have intellectual property laws... but if people chose not to take advantage of them... well, that is their choice and their utility... Good on them. You're not actually proposing a system where these people DO get rewarded for their inventions... UBI does NOT do that AT ALL either! And for the second part... a UBI doesn't solve this problem ether... Why? Because those businesses are STILL going to pay their scientists and engineers way more than a UBI... Of course, if those scientists and engineers truly had great independent ideas, they are still free to do those things in their spare time and create their own startups and companies... UBI changes none of this... these are well paid professionals... not uneducated workers who have to spend 120 hours a week down a coal mine. The Free Market still remains the most optimal solution... and whilst UBI may be good in other ways... it solves neither of the problems you mentioned. You're a stupid, uneducated, economically illiterate piece of shit who is too fucking retarded to even know that you should shut the fuck up. Eat a dick, fuck face. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yet it predicts all of this... you can't keep using anti non-contradiction logic... it's useless. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Good rational argument you got there... crack-for-brains. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Go suck a cock... crack fag $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's what we call utility $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Did you cum? Cause that's utility dipshit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Lacist Plick % ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude, no one want's to listen to a xenophobic ass$ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 but I believe you actually are racist $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Whatever... you're the one making racist statements. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's a useful mental shortcut... If we know who they are, we can expect the types of things they're likely to say, and if we should pay attention to them or not. It's not like you're going to suddenly stop going on about the law of noncontradiction (which is only a law in certain mathematical systems). We know the kind of rubbish you're going to write about... you're not suddenly going to change just because you got a new nick... you're just going to repeat the same old tired memes... so, if it's one of your dupes, we know it's okay to ignore it. So, yeah, it is a mental shortcut... but a useful one. If this new nick has something interesting say, we'll find out anyway... but more than likely, we'll know who it is is after a few posts anyway. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LilDebbie had a garden, right? And thinks he's a genius? Could it be? I hope it's not Trane! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nice tune... I like it. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Meth Tits used to joke with Street Geologist about giving blowjobs and biting penises off... with great delight, a giant shit eating grin and to much laughter... Real men take risks... there's no reward without risk... who dares wins... and fortune favours the brave. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also... I've got pink eye in one of my eyes... came up over the last few days... I did some reading on it, and I found out you can get chlamydia or gonorrhea in your eyeballs! I think I might have caught something from Madam Bigs... Like, I have that... and a funny sensation in my euretha (inside my cock). I dunno... there's something about the street girls giving me meth to fuck them bareback that I just can't resist. The danger is just what attracts me to it... bad habits. I still can't work out why they're into me... my cocks only a little larger than average... I know they've had much bigger than me... I think it's cause the girls all talk about me... so each one I meet already heard about me through mutual friends... we talk about who's who and what's happened to them lately, who's fucking the corrupt head of the police vice unit so they get free drugs and don't get move on notices, and other gossip, and then I dunno... it's just the way it goes. Speaking of police corruption, Street Geologist used to tell me that our (only) SWAT team here used to pay her (not that they gave her a choice, though they had a lot of disposable money... funny that, hey?) to cuff her, fuck her and beat her... she had a coppers hat and handcuffs... so I believe her... filthy fucking corrupt pieces of shit... thanks drug war!!! You're really fucking helping, you ignorant retarded supporters of prohibition should rethink your stupid attitudes you stupid cunt wastes of excuses of human beings. I'd have you all anally raped and disposed of if it was in my power... cause that's exactly what you're actually supporting be done to others... you stupid cunting fucks. These guys are in peak physical condition... praised on the television and in society... and they're taking turns beating on a small defenceless crack addicted woman... seriously... it's fucking stupid. I haven't come up for a name for the latest girl yet (Crack Momma... that'll do)... First time I met she was like 8 months pregnant and working... I gave her a lift for a little cash... Then I saw her about 2 weeks after giving birth... and she waved at me and came over to talk to me, and got my phone number... Anyway... she wanted to fuck... but man... she looks like she'd get pregnant at the drop a hat... so to speak... and I don't like wearing hats... so, that just seemed fucking dangerous. She looks like a slightly worse for wear meth tits... oh well... we went for a few drives to score and kept going past meth tit's house... (quite some distance away)... so maybe there's a connection there... I dunno... I think she could have been spying for her... cause she kept asking me what my relationship with Street Geologist was. Though she kept going on about deep-throating cock gargling sluts... so, I mean... there was that... like, she's got a good side too. Though she kept calling her ex's message bank, putting on an accent and saying she was Orbanian... then asked me where Orbania was... I said I think it's near yugoslavia... right? Well... it's cause her ex thinks she's fucking this ummmm Orbanian guy, and wanted to wind him up. Who am I to argue? I can't tell if the way she walks is ghetto strut or just very recently pregnant waddle... maybe a mixture of the two... and she wears these long shorts and wears them low on her waste... makes her look like she's got a strangely long body but oddly short legs... I probably shouldn't have pointed that out to her. Either way, bitch is in my debt at the moment for the unpaid driving... gas, grass or ass next time I see her... if she ever hopes to see her crack baby again anyway (lol jokes, but she doesn't know that). I met another one I'm gonna call Bedazzled, cause she's got these studs medically implanted in her... on her face, and chest and stuff... quite interesting... expensive apparently... little threaded metal implants you can screw different tops into... so she looks like she's been Bedazzled... we got to talking... and she's an ex of a friend of mine through school... Dude was always way out there... Lead singer of his own punk metal band... small world. Funny thing is, I bought up the band in conversation... said his first name, and she said he was the lead singer and said his last name... so she wasn't having me on. Anyway... I hope I haven't gotten chlamydia eye... that's going to take a doctor's appointment to clear up. I'll give it another week... and see what I can still see... or not. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Doc already told me I have HSV-1... The most common form... so it won't be that... I don't think you can get that twice. I don't know about conjunctivial herpes (HSV2) though... I didn't see it mentioned anywhere... I think it's just common viral conjunctivitis... which normally clears up on it's own in a few days, and there's no treatment anyway... I'll give it a few more days. If not, I'll go to the doctor... small chance I got a social eye disease. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I gotta say... the whole can't give consent thing is a bit fucked up... You get in trouble for driving drunk or stoned... you're expected to take responsibility in these situations... what's so different about sex? If the man is drunk or stoned, has the women raped him? If they are both drunk or stoned, have they raped each other? I'm not talking about passed out drunk though... that's a different matter... but I've had lots of happy, consensual drunk and stoned sex... never had a complaint... and they almost always end up coming back for more. Maybe if you're bad at sex, and the woman didn't really like it, she'll come at you the next day with rape allegations... like a defence for if she regrets it. But, I've never had that problem. Are you and your wife always sober when you have sex? Oh forget that... it's Blaster... Do you and your wife even have sex? Alcohol - helping ugly people have sex since forever. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, I'm not denying rape is a real thing... For sure, violence or the threat of violence is definitely rape... same with using someone who is passed out or unconscious... and again, I'd even go so far as to say a man getting a woman stupidly drunk and fucking them is too. But drunken sex is clearly not always rape... but if the women wakes up the next day and decides she regrets it (like you were lousy at it, she has a boyfriend, or you don't offer to make her breakfast the next day, or she finds out about your other girlfriends... etc, etc), you are potentially on the hook... even if she initiated it. So, I'm not saying it's not a real thing... just that there are women out there who will use it against men in retaliation... which makes it quite dangerous. (I had three beers, I clearly couldn't drive, therefore rape... what a load of bullshit!) Hopefully they are quite rare... I haven't met one yet. Though a friend of mine did pick up a chick at a bar, fucked her brains out (I think on the pool table - small bar, after hours) then got arrested the next day for rape... turned out she'd done the same thing several times before, and the case was dropped... but it's a pretty scary thing. I also know the UK has a strong culture (for both men and women) of going out, getting drunk, and 'pulling'... why not? It lowers inhibitions, many people are secretly shy, and in their sober moments might not sleep with that person (doesn't match up to their unrealistic standards)... but that's exactly what they're after... a night of drinking and strange sex. Now, with the laws as they are... that can become very risky... but mostly only for the men. Even though it's very common, and sought after by both sexes. It's like a cop out, but just for women. Yeah, there are levels of drunk... I don't know... I normally don't fuck on the first night in that situation (which might be letting some women down?)... but if there were moves towards it on the first night, I might fuck them even if we're both drunk the next time... Several of my relationships started this way. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ummm.... no, nothing to do with the women I hang with... they're the last girls I'd expect that behaviour from... I'm more just thinking the way the laws are written, and what sort of risk exposure there is in picking up random drunken sluts from bars. I'm not extrapolating to the average women... but explicitly the outliers... that's where the risk is. I mean, it might be a 100 to 1 unlucky event... but that's still risky as hell. Well... lucky for me, I'm the type to build rapport first... with a face like mine, you got little choice anyway. If you went out and got drunk, and then the next day you woke up with five bucks and a sore asshole would you be willing to go to the cops and say you were raped? Would you maybe just keep it quite and push the incident deep down and forget it ever happened? And if so, would you like to go on a camping trip with me? I got five bucks and a bottle of jacks. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Are you Jeff Vader? http://youtu.be/Sv5iEK-IEzw ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sad... , , . -? , . , , ? ? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 When I play guitar... Especially on the farm, all the animals that can, gather around to listen... seriously... the dogs, the cat, various wild birds, and even the emu will wander up from the paddock and stand by the fence to listen to some blues or whatever crap I'm playing. Even in the city, the local birds start singing along. I guess they enjoy the positive externalities I'm creating. And I'm certainly maximising my utility when I do so... sounds like you were too! Economics FTW! You should recognise that these things are economics. My Dad is like Francis of Assisi with the animals. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen... Our driveway is about a mile or so from the house to the road, so my parents take a walk down there once a day or so... Well... I went for a walk with them... along with two dogs, a cat, four sheep and five chickens... all of their own free will, with no reward, taking a break from whatever they were doing before hand. One of the dogs is a killer... of both sheep and chickens... A rescue dog, so it's not really her fault... we just have to be careful... the other goes grazing on the grass with the sheep... I think he's confused, or he's teaching the weaned lambs what they're meant to be doing... strange animals. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Mind you... I'd consider having to see an old naked man playing recorder would be a pretty strong negative externality... It's not the type of sight I'd like to see... But, if you're truly alone... then it's not. You will have an effect on other people's utility doing something like that... you should consider that too. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'd say he's about 50... no? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I just imagine some wiry, semi-toothless, unshaved, raggedy, old, crack addict looking dude. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Honestly, I'm a little confused over the issue... It's one thing to refuse blacks or gays into your pub, for example... cause you're serving the same thing to everyone, what do their views have to do with you? It's another thing to say, force a church to marry gay people, when it's against their beliefs. I also see the point where someone who decorates cakes shouldn't be forced to make a cake against their own beliefs... I'd say it's within their rights to not make a particular cake, say either one with a swastika on it for neo-nazis, or one with gay stuff on it for a gay wedding... if that's against your personal beliefs... You should still have to make them a generic cake if that's what they want, but forcing you to make one with iconology against your own personal beliefs shouldn't be allowed... or for a christian cake shop owner to make a cake with satanic symbols on it, or a satanic cake shop owner to make a cake with christian symbols on it. So, the difference is between refusing generic services to people, which I don't think you should be allowed to do, versus customising something in a way artistically that is against your own personal views. So, where does this law stand exactly? Does it allow refusal of generic services based on the customer's backgrounds and belief... or does it allow you to deny service based on customisation against the owners beliefs? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... so it does seem like a very bad law $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude, are you really blaming the scientific method now? You're just as bad at science as you are at maths... STFU. If you can't come up with a scientific experiment to prove psychic effects to even yourself, then you're just a fucking failure at science... Don't blame the method, the method works, the problem is you. Coming up with scientific experiments to demonstrate psychic effects to others is much harder... but still possible... but don't blame the scientific method, rigour and requirements of repeatability beyond statistical chance... again, the failing is with you. Coming up with scientific experiments you can put in a paper, is even harder and going to take a lot of time and resources... doesn't mean it can't be done... just that it is hard. The effects are incredibly subtle and only just outside the margins of pure chance. Psychic effects are subtle, hard to record (we don't have machines that can hear our thoughts or record them... not yet... at least not available to the general public)... so such things are by their very nature very hard to prove. That doesn't make them not real though... and no true scientist would deny the existence of a thing just because it's not in the literature, or not well understood by science... science isn't about what's true and what's not... just about what's repeatable within statistical limits. They may claim they haven't experienced them, or that there is no proof... and they are exactly right... but even a skeptic must admit the possibility... otherwise you are no scientist at all. Here's an example... I was half way through writing a diary on the free market view of drug regulation... when tdillo put up his diary on prohibition... To me, a pretty standard psychic synchronicity event... but almost impossible to prove... I don't think I even previewed it, so there's not even a log on Rusty's server... but it happened. You can try telepathically calling animals... tell them to sit, or sit at some place... dogs can respond even if you sit perfectly still and gaze at a point (no body language effects)... you can test it yourself. Also, create some secret made up fact about yourself... see how long before someone verbalises it... for me, I am the President of the USA (not the government, that would just be silly or delusional --- but I really am!)... that took about a week to manifest... I couldn't write a paper about it, it's hard to prove to anyone other than those who already know... but it is a scientific experiment... not one I can write a paper about... but it worked. (Of course, I might speak in my sleep, is the only other plausible explanation I could find --- but a couple of other weirdness events tell me that's unlikely). Okay, while I'm working way out on the fringe... here's something to try... an experiment, and a really weird event that occurred... maybe it's repeatable, maybe it's not... best I can say is that this was my true and honest experience of reality. (or maybe I'm just fucking with you, how would know?). Firstly, you must become the President of the USA... Meditate hard on this one... It can't just be something you say to yourself, you must believe it with all your being... No, you're not Barack Obama, you don't want to be locked up and institutionalised... but you must have a reasonable belief in it, it must be a fact, and you must have no doubt in your mind... also, you must never mention it out aloud. I'll leave it to you how to accomplish this. Now... it might take days or weeks, I don't know... also, it might have worked stronger for me not being in the US... the guy playing a bad rendition of Hail to the Chief on his trumpet downstairs would be far less likely over here and a far stronger confirmation than what may be normal over there. So, when the thumb sized drone (about the size of large beetle) flies in through your open door following a very unnatural robotic A* flight path to stop about a foot in front of your face and asks you the following question telepathically "Are you an officer or an employee of the Government of the United States of America" --- you'll know that there's some pretty advanced machinery in existence on this planet... certainly beyond what the general public is aware of. Now, you can respond telepathically to it... I of course said "No" (telepathically)... cause I'm not, and never claimed to be... in which case it will follow an A* flight path back out of the door and that'll be the last of it. I'm not a 100% sure what it was... maybe it was just a delusion, right? I had no witnesses (the girl laughing that I was the president, though I had never said a thing, had just stepped into the kitchen), I didn't have my webcams recording, I have zero proof... even with all that, there was no sound, just a voice in my mind... just my memory and experience of the event. I believe it happened... furthermore, I believe it is quite possible these things are login terminals to telepathic computers available to high level government agents... Just a hunch... no proof. So, you can try it differently... You could answer "Yes" if you are really crazy, reckless and willing to see whatever happens next... To me, this seems like a very dangerous option... you're free to try it, of course... if you can report back about it, please do! If you go missing in the next month or so, I'll presume it worked! But, if the hints in Principia Discordia are to be believed... perhaps "Mu"... is a back door into this system? It's what I wish I had the sense to say... again, who knows what would happen... worth a go... mind you, I think you would really have to believe mu is the truth too... not sure how to accomplish that... I'll let you think about it. Of course, I'm not responsible for anything that happens to you should you try this... I'm not guaranteeing either your physical safety or your mental well being... it's just something you can try if you're crazy enough. I'd be very interested in any odd effects you experience though. Also, it might not work simply because the illuminati telepathic computers will have taken you reading this comment into account. HAHAHA!! You didn't really believe any of that did you? Stupid fucking crack head... get a life and learn to science, okay? Perhaps go check out James Randi on why you'd have to be a fucking gullible crack head to believe any of this shit. Fucking moron... Get some education. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think some things are repeatable... It's just that we can't observe all the variables... especially as the mind (well, the brain really) itself isn't really observable... especially when many minds may alter the outcome, like in Randi's experiments... he's clearly not an impartial observer! It's far easier to test this stuff yourself though... you just have to do the right experiments... Simple stuff, like sit out where there is a crowd, and tell others to put a hand on their head... it will happen far greater than chance could account for. You could get really scientific (because confirmation bias), maybe... get an impartial (I don't know how to do that one - what if they are psychic and adversarial?!) person to record the number of times someone puts a hand on their head... then on other days, do the same thing but don't meditate on people doing that... You can't tell the recorder which one you are doing... see if there is a correlation. The less your experiments can alter other people's expectations of reality... so, the less provable they are to others... the more likely they are to succeed! I believe this has to do with non-local effects (both in time and space) mixed with observer effects. That makes scientific testing HARD! I think the problem with Randi and co, are that they expect psychic phenomena to operate in ways that it doesn't... like the Zener cards... there's no emotional content, no connection, no purpose... it doesn't work like that. For example, it's recognised by official australian government documents that the aboriginals believe that if they are alone and injured, distressed or require help, that they can telepathically call others to come help them... if this had any evolutionary benefit (and assuming it is possible - and I think physics would allow for it) then it would be selected for... If you consider their environment, where you may be hundreds of miles from anyone, and voice just won't carry (and fire could get out of control easily), having telepathic connections would be of great advantage... So, I think this kind of psychic phenomena is far more likely to exist. If ethics didn't get in the way, maybe it would be easier to test! Some of the strongest (honest, open about it and able to demonstrate it) telepaths I've known are Aboriginals. Now, in a western society, psychic connections can be disastrous, and would be selected against... How many things do you think about other people but are too polite to say aloud? (He's ugly, she's a fat fuck, that guy looks like a creep or a pervert, retarded fuck, whore, not that crack head again, fucking bum should get a job, or at least shower - "Hey how you doing? Great to see you again!"). Now imagine you start hearing those negative thoughts... it would have a strong negative emotional effect on you. So, we deny that the psychic phenomena are even possible, and drug the 'victim' up so they stop being aware or at least manage to cope with the unspoken negative energies. The other big problem with Randi is that he requires p values less than 10e-6... where standard scientific papers look for effects in the range of p less than 0.05... In the case where psychic effects might differ from chance in less than 1 part per 100 or 1000 or so (Zener card type experiments)... the cost and time of collecting data to reach those p levels will easily exceed ten times the reward... So, I don't consider the $1M prize proof of the non-existence of psychic phenomena. Though it does place certain limits upon it! Science is never wrong (at least not the scientific method). It's not that psychic phenomena don't exist... it's just that we are asking the wrong questions, doing the wrong experiments, expecting it to work in ways it doesn't and has even more hidden and confounding variables than even the more difficult sciences such as economics. Now add in the possibility of powerful psychic actors who use their knowledge to their own advantage by denying its existence entirely, and you got a really really hard problem. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Does this mean we can stop serving blacks again? God clearly prefers white people cause otherwise he wouldn't have made us superior to blacks, all educated and rich, talking proper, smelling good and all... so can we keep the devil races out of our stores and pubs now too? My clan bible clearly says the blacks are the sons and daughters of Cain... I just want to make sure I'm right with the law as well as god when I keep em away from my good white customers. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Can you please just clarify Should adults be allowed to make their own decisions regarding what they do with or take into their own bodies, insofar as it only affects other consenting adults? Can you please just state whether you would allow other adults of their own free will to take meth, heroin or crack, as long as they aren't stealing or harming other people? If they become violent, or resort to theft, that they should be locked up, regardless of their sobriety, mental well being, or otherwise? That the act of harming others is the crime, not whether they chose to take chemicals or if they are naturally mental ill? I'd just like some clarification from you on this. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Given that people do it anyway... it makes no sense to support the law. As for you getting abused... I think you fucking deserve it cause you're a weak sack of shit who does nothing but whine 'poor me, everyone picks on me... I'm such a loser, why can't anyone be my friend?' No, seriously, fuck you and your kind... you should be fucking beaten with a tire iron. But I suspect they just called you names, right? You're such a fucking pussy loser... I suppose that's what you consider abuse. If you didn't want to do drugs with them, you had every right to walk away. If they really did abuse you, and I'm talking physically... then you should have had them arrested for that. Crimes with victims are really the only crimes that should be enforced (on the whole... business regulations, etc aside). So... I ask you again... do you support the criminalisation of people who do you no harm but have different tastes to you? Do you believe I should be imprisoned because I desire to do different things with my life than you? Cause if you do... then I really do support tying you to a tree and smashing your fucking brains out with that tire iron. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... you were a victim of a real crime... and those who did that should have been punished... of course, it's not always possible to punish 100% of criminals, which is why we have to take that into account in sentencing... so that the punishment takes into the likihood of being caught... I assume karma would eventually have caught up with them anyway... people don't tend to do a crime once, they almost always continue with their behaviour until corrected. So, can we agree that it was the assault that affected you, and not the drugs... that they were assholes who would probably have assaulted you anyway? Though, I do have to ask if you perhaps threatened or even did narc on them... cause you seem like the kind of guy who would. I'll tell you one thing that the drug laws would definitely fix... and that is I wouldn't be at constant risk of going to prison and getting a criminal record if the laws were different. I wouldn't be handing large sums over to criminals and gangs either. I imagine the working girls wouldn't have to work so often, for so little, and in such dangerous conditions either... also there'd be less acquisitional crimes like theft. So, can I just get you to affirm that you are against the drug laws, rather than a supporter of them? Because, there's no real argument beyond that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Okay... fine... then we're in agreement... No need to smash your head in... you're alright with me! Look... here's one thing about correlation and causation... people who are violent and criminal don't mind operating outside of the law... so violent criminals are more likely to engage in criminal behaviour like drug use... but that's the way I see the causation flowing, not from drug use to violence. Having said that... certain drugs have certain affects on certain people, so alcohol makes some people violent, same with meth and coke... Even some people will get that effect from THC (though I imagine these people are in the minority and have a paradoxical reaction to it)... and don't ever get in the way of heroin addict's heroin when they are jonesing. Nonetheless... if you can handle your drugs and be a peaceable member of the community, you should not have to suffer because of the fools who can't... nor should we suffer violent non-drug users either... so it's the harm to others that matters... not the path taken to get there. I'd say your cuntfaced 'friends' would have been violent even without the drugs... even if they couldn't get hold of alcohol... though one thing is clear... the law didn't stop them... and maybe evading the drug laws helped them get away with the violence too (criminal training, common wall of silence, etc). You are right pretty much on the regulations and taxation side... the most important reason to legalise really is to get the drug industry out of the hands of criminals... these gangs are ruthless, and are the very last people on the planet we should be rewarding with such a lucrative commodity. Finally... in free market economic terms... negative externalities (such as theft, violence and whatever other similar crimes you can think of) can actually be 'fixed up' with pigovian taxes... so they should be taxed, not so much for revenue raising purposes, but because of these negative outcomes. But... in principal, we agree... so thanks for supporting the cause. When the revolution comes, I'll pull you from the wall. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How old are you? Life is short anyway dude... and it's not all roses... I do know that... I get some depression myself... last week was my late girlfriends birthday, and I really was feeling the pointlessness of it all... especially how I don't have anyone I connect with or feel like I did towards her. Like, I'm getting in more women than I ever have... but I there's no one I really want. Still... you never know... you must have sunny days too, right? Small things that make you glad you saw that day... they might not come often, but they still come along... stay strong for those moments hey? Try feeding birds in the park or something... that always cheers me up. You never know, maybe a nursing home will be some of the most fun times you ever have? Nice old people who like a good game of checkers or something? Hot nurses? Warm cups of cocoa and no responsibilities. You only live once, win or lose, make the most of it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You fucking idiot... You're not mentally ill... you're a psychic! You might think I'm joking or taking the piss, but I'm deadly serious about this... I've tested this many many times and it's the only logical conclusion. Now, unregistered genuine psychics (non-masons, non-illuminati, non-spooks or not government secret agents, etc) are pretty strongly marginalised in society... Especially the smart, scientific ones... (dismissable psychics aren't a problem, like your tarot readers or carnival types)... they interfere with the plans of these powerful groups, and if the knowledge were widespread, well... it would change society in ways that some people do not like... it all comes down to power, money, control... the usual. I do agree that it should not be legally recognised... you shouldn't be held accountable for your thoughts, but only your actions... world power goes something like, thought, word then deed. So, maybe locking people who act up about the whole thing is the right approach, I haven't totally figured this one out yet. Most schizophrenics I know are psychic, have telepathy and are aware of other phenomena and effects... They've been trained to distrust their own senses and assume they are crazy... but once you point out some things in concrete repeatible ways, they seem to cope much better... It's normally in the early stages they get diagnosed or locked up... this comes from reacting to this realm in the physical world... so, it manifests as talking to yourself when you can talk telepathically, freaking out at spirits, yelling at other people... etc. The girls and I mostly spend our days getting stoned and conversing telepathically... I've tested this out to the Nth degree... there is no other explanation. Try simple things, like asking your wife for a coffee without saying, motioning or doing anything... sit perfectly still and just ask her... sometimes it helps to shout... but don't be rude... psychic driving I think can harm people in subtle ways... so be careful... you might open her third eye without meaning to. Some drugs enhance the effects, others dull them... alcohol generally dulls them. I've been very lucky that when I started experiencing it, I kept my mouth shut and took no action (I had already read principia discordia, illuminatis trillogy and LeVay's Satanic Bible) -- if in doubt, do nothing, if not in doubt, get in doubt... but practised manifesting effects in both the natural world, in crowds of people and individuals... practised every day, small repeatable experiments. I think the house I was in was haunted. I'm an engineer and scientist, so I applied scientific principles to the phenomena and I've tested it now to the point that it's just stupid to deny it's existence. Though I've seen some strange things along the way. But you get me in front of psychiatrist or psychologist, or any state representative, and you know what... I've never heard or seen a thing, ever... Just as I don't take drugs... I'm as normal a guy as you'll ever meet. Meanwhile I'm in telepathic communication 24x7 with friends, family and some of the girls... Birds and other animals carry conversation, or at least snippets of, hints of the future... I'm aware of some things before they happen, and others as they do happen... In certain houses I have to put up with dead people... I heard my sister's car crash in real time whilst I was in bed on the other side of the planet (she wasn't hurt, but I heard the brakes squeel and the smashing of glass and metal -- high emotional events are far stronger). Shadow people are manifestations of it... I've tested them too... fair enough your brain might pattern match a random shadow as someone or something... but find ones that are obscured, and remove the obscuration and it matches... I can't explain that away. I've only seen one physical attack from a shadow (but within the range of plausible deniability still, so...)... so, generally they are only visual and of little danger... maybe they are djinn. You can telepath with some of them. The worst part of it is, I will probably have some small annoying shit happen now that I've talked about it (those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know... generally). I've been doing this long enough to know some of the 'rules'. I don't fear this one too much, because most randoms / normals / mehums, will dismiss it as drug fuelled schizophrenia or something... so it's not going to convince many who aren't already aware. It's also a realm of psychological warfare... gangs use it... your enemies will attack... you must always be strong and without fear... they'll try to break you with the stupid shit you've done in the past... just remember you have every right to be here... you can attack them too... hold your ground... be a tough mother fucker --- psychologically... psychically. Never do stupid shit just because the voices recommend you do... that's just their way of testing you. You are still you... you have to be responsible for your actions... the voices might try to command you, but you're in control, not them. In some sense, you have to carry on exactly as if none of it is happening... act like you aren't feared or being attacked... that's why it's affected your job. You have to walk in both worlds at once, it is and it is not happening. I don't know how many people are psychic, but a lot more than you'd imagine... reading people's thoughts is very common... and your thoughts can manifest externally pretty easily too... Put it this way, even if they can't hear your thoughts, people will often act as if they can. If you're very lucky, and willing to meet with people you might otherwise avoid, the outcasts of society, you might find someone who's willing to just outright verbalise your thoughts, word for word... it's impossible to deny after you've experienced that. It's well outside the range of cold reading. I live near a school, and groups of children shout out either my thoughts or thoughts of others I want to talk to - my fav girl calls this a 'two way', like the old walkie talkie things... It can be quite creepy and disturbing... so, I try to keep my thoughts in check... she's always yelling at me not to use people as 'two ways', but I don't think it causes any harm... and I'm at the point now it's harder to avoid it than just let it flow... LeVay hints at this effect too. Okay, there you go... I've said way too much... but you should trust in yourself more, and others less... find like minded individuals, practice it, avoid fear taking over... distrust the official story, etc... Masons will lie to your face about it... Illuminati I'm not sure of (depends on which Illuminati, there are many groups)... Christians often deny it or call it the devil's work and are generally fearful, Satanists are more open to it, but despise weakness... Tuned in discordians are cool but hide behind humour as plausible deniability... Crack addicts are pretty fucking good at it, but will rob you blind if you're not constantly on the ball... The Australian government, in official documentation, recognise that it's a belief of Australian Aboriginals... Many commercial psychics are either fraudsters or scientifically illiterate... So, good information and people to practice with are hard to find... It's the realm of Satanists and occult... Crowley and Levay are a good start, but you need to practice with real people. Check out /r/psychic too. Psychic connections rely on shared common interest... Sexual partners, business partners, close friends. Oh, on the 9/11 thing. I had a postcard on my wall in England in 2001... It was of NYC with the towers and all... it was a stylised montage, it had what appeared to be the sun... but for some odd reason it was placed over one of the towers, and a picture of a plane flying, but it was low (well, the skyline took up the whole card, so the plane couldn't be above the buildings anyway), and heading towards the sun on the building (maybe the other building?)... but you couldn't tell from the perspective exactly that it depicted a plane crash into the building... it looked like a happy sort of postcard with all the normal stuff, a city destination, a sun, and a plane... after the event it would be hard to interpret it any other way... funny thing is, the card somehow got misplaced, and I've never been able to find it, or anything like it online... No doubt it was an illuminati, hidden in plain sight, foreshadowing kind of message. Yeah... so that's the world you live in... you have to deal with it... You really think our brains weren't designed for this? Evolution is still real... you can't expect millions of years of evolution haven't tuned our minds well... schizophrenia isn't a disease... it's how some of our minds actually WORK... it's people with their third eye open, but not properly trained to deal with it... and I believe actively suppressed by certain powers... I don't know if psychiatric industry is a net positive or a harm... but it's largely a lie, either way. Carl Jung's collective consciousness is closer to reality than the isolated black box view modern psychiatry takes. Crowley and LeVay knew what's up. Robert Anton Winston too... A major point of his is that if you are artistic, but not scientific, you are only using half your mind... if you are scientific but not artistic, you are only using half your mind... true illuminati are always both scientific and artistic... psychic power is strongest with both sets of skills. Also, I don't believe in the supernatural, everything is within nature... I do believe in the paranormal... which is just rare natural stuff that science hasn't yet managed to study with rigour... Meteorites are the best example I have of this... at one point, they were simply fantasy stories from a scientific point of view... but not to anyone who witnessed one! No... they were just crazy! Rocks from the sky... LOL! Hope that helps! Oh, and do try to be positive... Sit in a park and observe your mind and your surroundings... how the two interact... for me, positive thoughts make the sun shine stronger... and negative thoughts are often followed fractions of a second later by clouds casting shadows... then I can reverse the effect... it doesn't work if you know where the clouds are in advance... it's a complicated interaction of thought, knowledge and the physical world... and all these things work in the margin of error... (turing has maths for this stuff, for when they could use information from Bletchly Park, but within the margins, so that the Germans wouldn't know the enigma machine was cracked --- it's similar to that)... so some things are much harder to demonstrate to others, but easy to experience yourself. As thou harm none, Do as thou wilt be the whole of the law, Love is the law, Love under will. Try not to go crazy. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Can you control what you hear, what you see? Of course not... they are senses... you hear and see what is in your environment... exactly the same thing. The medicine is like something that makes you deaf or blind... so that you don't have to deal with what you hear and see... but you close yourself off to part of reality. Most people do it by not thinking very deeply, watching a lot of TV or sports, worrying about work or money... drinking every night... stuff like that... For the few sheep that don't follow that route... we have psychiatry and medication. Anyway, everyone's free to follow their own path, I'd be a hypocrite to suggest otherwise... but, you know... something to think about. To me, it would seem you caught a glimpse of the future 9/11 event... not that there was anything you could do about it... and unfortunately you let it disturb you... which is difficult, because you didn't have enough information to exactly say what it was you experienced, and that's the way it is... often things don't make sense until it's too late... but it was an echo from the future. Just don't take the psychic stuff too seriously... you know the difference anyway, between physical reality and 'delusions'... that's the way I stumble along. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... I got a nice little proof of the non-existence of (capital G) God... I actually got a few... but in the case of their being a single, all powerful, supreme being, entity, of which their is no higher... it's pretty easy really. Imagine you meet God... how do you know there isn't a guy more powerful than him? Who would be A god to that guy? And if you met God's god... how do you know there isn't a god to him? God's god's god. etc... So, there can be extremely powerful beings, and there could be the universe's most powerful being, but there could always be a being more powerful than them... even if they didn't know about them, or believe in them and even if they didn't exist (like christians worshiping a non-existent god), they could logically exist... therefore, there is no God... just a hierarchy of powerful beings. Of course... Most any god could squish you like bug... so, like Xerces, they might demand you worship them as such... but you'd know they weren't really God... just a very powerful being. If there turns out to be an afterlife (though I doubt it), I won't be forgetting this one. Now... the guy you met doesn't sound like God to me... but some kind of angle... maybe even a satanic angle... they often are very nice beings, very helpful, kind and well meaning too... telepathic and psychic, instinctively or even just (and only) subconsciously aware of what you need at the time. They might even exude an aura of godliness... they may be gods amongst men... even a humble, loving, personal god for you at the right time... but they aren't God. (Yes, angle is the right word, not a typo). As for Neuroscience... it is correct as far as it goes... I also think maybe there are quantum effects the brain takes advantage of... photosynthesis relies on QM... So, there's already an example of evolution taking advantage of QM effects... maybe the brain does to... to allow non-local (in time and space) communication... and in ways we wouldn't be able to pick up with electromagnetism or other local field forces we are used to dealing with... which is why I think for psychic connection effects to work, you have to spend time with someone, in order to share entangled particles. See... this 'delusion' is a perfect example of what I'm talking about regarding psychic phenomena. Again, it has all the key elements that maximise psychic effects... shared common interest, strong emotional connections, strong emotional content... You loved your aunt (and uncle too... it may have come from either or both of them), and she you, she was in a form of distress, and probably called out to her friends and family for help or at least support... you were probably quite open to psychic energies at that time... possibly overwhelmed by them and what caused you to be hospitalised... and there you go, you picked up an image, maybe a direct image of exactly what was happening at the time... maybe an interpretation of her situation... maybe symbolic, like in a dream... maybe it was a past time recalled by your uncle at the time of her death, something he will miss, the times playing cards with her (people often dream and remember in the third person point of view), and relayed to you and others who could pick it up... certainly enough, that had you been available and open to the idea at the time, that you would have tried to get in physical contact with them. Yet, for some reason, you've been tricked into thinking it's because you are mentally ill! To me, I would take that as a pretty clear psychic event. Yes, hard to interpret, but if you'd trusted your gut instinct, it would have had exactly the desired effect... that you would have contacted your uncle in his time of need (or aunt, if she was still alive). For me, I worked out a long time ago... it's not the voices, or visions, or strange thoughts that make you crazy in this society... it's all down to how you react to them. If you never say a word to anyone about it, how can a psych diagnose you? They can't look into your head... and if they can... BAM! It's because it's reality, not delusion all along. For me, the next step was finding people and ways I could talk about it, without sounding crazy or getting locked up... hard problems hey? My favourite kind. Did you know that the brain is the trinity? We have three brains in one. Three types of brain that evolved in an order, each wrapping and integrating the other as the new 'technology' was created / discovered by evolution... The reptilian, the limbic and the neocortex? This is what it is to be illuminati... to make the subliminal, liminal. I think these things normally occur in the realm of the limbic system, it is the limbic systems (maybe even reptilian?) that communicate telepathically... the neocortex, the logical, rational, brain has a hard time interpreting them (we've been trained to function only at that level)... but we can learn! When you telepath at people, you are talking to their subconscious (if they aren't awake to it)... which is why many people aren't aware of it and its effects. Just some extra food for your thoughts. Here's a kind of psychic event I experienced... the night my girlfriend died... I was with our friends in the UK... but later I went to bed (might have been the day after... it was a long day for me and our friends), by myself (although a 21 year old friend of ours had offered to share the bed with me, I wasn't in the mood - though I'm sure she was truly upset and wanted comfort too --- she's got a kid now!)... but I was far from all my friends and family... that night, I distinctly heard (in my mind) my close friends singing a beautiful rendition of November Rain (it was November)... I could clearly hear it was their voices... a song she loved (and a powerful song of our generation)... the perfect song for the occasion... they would have been aware of her death through facebook... this is psychic telepathy... nothing provable... indistinguishable from my own mind as far as I can demonstrate... but remote human connections in a time of need. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's proof that there is no ultimate supreme being Not that there is no higher power... just that there isn't a single ultimate being in charge of everything... cause there's always the possibility of something more powerful than that... even if they aren't aware of it. It's not proof that there are no humans... but that no human can assume to be the most powerful entity. Logic, maths and science are real in all realms. Read a bit more carefully... there could still be a god for which we are mere ants or less in comparison... but he better watch his fucking ass, cause he may just be an ant to his god... maybe he's gonna get his ass stomped for judging humans... the cunting judgemental piece of shit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, you're quite wrong... Logic, maths and science exist quite independently of any substrate universe they exist within. The laws of physics may have been different at different times... they can change in different universes or realms... but logic and math never change... It all begins with the empty set.. and the integers from sets of empty sets and so on... no change in any realm can alter these facts... The scientific method does not change in any universe either... it is a method... the outcomes and results of scientific investigations could be very different in different universes... but the method would hold fast. And the logic here is quite simple... there is no ultimate supreme being that can't have a more ultimate supreme being... which is a contradiction of the meaning of ultimate supreme being... therefore... there can be no ultimate supreme being... you can meet God in the afterlife... look him in the eye... and no matter what he bribes or threatens you with... you can say... fuck off... cause maybe your god is gonna fuck you in the ass one day too! This has nothing to do with whether or not we are in a matrix or otherwise... this logic holds beyond this universe... it is more immutable than god itself. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Trane denies math... Mathematical truths are the same in every universe... and what I mean by that is... that you can build the same mathematical system in any simulation you could build... even Conway's game of life... anywhere there is the slightest order... They are independent of physics and physical reality... I'm sure this has been proven elsewhere. It's not just bullshit I'm pulling from my ass. If you're a Christian, you might have problems with what I say... but then Christians are kind of brainwashed not to think... so there's that. Your statement is more of simplistic Tranian reality denial than anything I've stated. Seeing as you're resorting to ad homs anyway. My view is actually the mainstream view of mathematics. Starting with Plato... and still holding in the modern era. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The way I see it is... Either you have to dispute my logic, or otherwise, what is your point exactly? Is my logic wrong somehow? Is there a flaw? If the logic itself is correct... then you posit a reality in which logic doesn't hold... that True equals False in such a reality... and if there is no logic, there is nothing... the reality itself would be inconsistent at every point. I mean, you could argue with Plato, or Godel, or Russel on these points... and they'd all look at you cross eyed. Can you find any mathematical source to contradict these statements? You could go to the Philosophy of Mathematics on Wikipedia and start learning and try to look for a weak point in my argument if you actually thought you could find one. Yes... I am certain that True = True and False = False... sorry if that seems crazy to you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fuck you K5 formatting for creating an inconsistent reality just as I'm cumming. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I mean... I'd actually LOVE it... if ANYONE could point out a flaw... I'm not so certain as to not accept there COULD be an argument against what I'm saying... just that I haven't seen one yet... I haven't come up with one either... And I don't mean "There is more in heaven and earth... blah blah blah..." that's just saying shut up, don't think... there's a God... cause we say so... that's not logical at all. In fact... the reverse applies... if you believe in God... that implies the opposite... that reality is far more complicated than that. Here's another way of looking at the problem... let's say the universe is a simulation... it's unprovable actually that it isn't... So... even if there was a 'God' of this simulation... even God couldn't 'know' that he wasn't just part of that simulation. And the problem with simulation argument is... it's turtles all the way up! This is just an inescapable part of any reality where anything could possibly be meaningful. In the end... no matter how you dice it (and if you can find a way around it, please let me know!) any all powerful, all knowing entity still can't know that it is the end of the chain of all powerful, all knowing entities... which is a contradiction. Again, I'm not saying there isn't a god... just that there are strict limits to any such entity. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 My point is that maths exists very independently of the laws of physics... Maths describes physics... but maths can describe any physics... Physics are mutable... but mathematics itself is not. F = ma doesn't necessarily, a priori, apply... but e^(i*pi) + 1 always equals zero. You can't create a simulation where that isn't the case. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why should a cowardly mental defective such as yourself have anything to say about what reasonable adults do with their own minds and bodies? You've already abdicated your responsibility by claiming to be such, you should really just be very clear that you have no right to tell us adults what we can and can't do, up to the point we directly affect you... and no, taking drugs doesn't affect you, even if you think it increases our chances of affecting you, not until we actually affect you do you have any rights whatsoever. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I hear mentally ill people have broken the law once or twice in the past too... Maybe anyone with a mental illness should be locked up, for the safety of our women and children! Don't you see how fucking stupid that sounds? Of course there are idiots who take drugs and harm people... It's not that they take drugs and become idiots who harm people, it's that they are fucking idiots who would harm people who happen to take drugs. I've taken almost every single fucking substance you could name, and never hurt anyone... yes, I am frequently in public too... I like to talk and interact with people too... but you would have me put in prison because I prefer a different mental point of view, rather than sitting at home with my fat ugly whining wife watching television? You're setting yourself up as an enemy of people who don't harm others... that makes you a deserving target. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Right... in fact... the majority of drug users I know are not violent in any way whatsoever... There are gangs that have to be violent... that's what you get when you hand an entire industry (the largest behind military, btw) over to criminals... which is due to the law, not the drugs. and there are many violent sociopaths, who happen to take drugs too... cause they are the type who don't give a shit... so drugs goes along with that... but the causation is not drugs to violence. Yeah... If you support prohibition, then you support locking people like me away for causing no harm... and if you threaten me like that... yeah, I think you deserve having your brains smashed out... this is called self defence... and I'd be that way even if I didn't take drugs... when you're forced into a war, you have to fight. In fact, you say you were bullied... but actually you are being a bully to drug users because your bullies were drug users... so, that's a lie. Right... so you're one of the mentally ill who isn't violent... and I'm one of the drug users who isn't violent... so if you think drug users should be locked up, then it would be just as fair as saying you should be locked up for being mentally ill... see the correlation not causation thing going on here? I don't want a special exception because I'm in control and take drugs... I want the rule of law to hold, that those who harm others get locked up, and anything else we do is our own choice... if you take drugs or not is irrelevant. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... I know you don't physically beat drug users However, if you supported locking up drug users with the force of the state... I actually see that as worse... and though I never actually beat anyone up... I do get very angry with prohibitionists of all sorts. I can see how your experiences would colour your views... and I'm glad to see you look beyond that. Also... I'm a drug user... I'm addicted to some drugs... mostly nicotine and caffeine.. much lesser extent weed... though I can go months without it... so not as addicted as I am to say coffee... but I'd be just as upset if you tried to send me for treatment I don't want. I think only in the case of breaking other laws, but because of drug (alcohol too) use, should you be forced into treatment. It would be just plain stupid if I had to go to treatment cause I got caught with a point of meth considering it would be like the second time in a year I use it. So, really, drugs should be legalised for recreational purposes... and treatment for those who either want it, or have broken other laws (and a judge ruled it was) because of their drug usage. Most importantly though is to disempower those machine gun wielding, gang running maniacs. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What about the straight edge gangs Who attack people who drink or do drugs? It's not whether or not you take drugs, it's not what music you fucking listen too (to draw a parallel cause that shit's been thrown around before too)... it's WHAT YOU FUCKING DO TO OTHERS. I can't believe you are so fucking stupid as to not realise that. I don't care that that moron got himself killed... he was a fucking moron who deserved it... maybe if he wasn't on drugs he would have successfully killed that police officer... stop blaming the drugs, and blame the violent actions... that's all that count in the end. You have no idea how much harm the prohibition laws have on the poor and vulnerable... all the girls I know are on hard drugs... they've lived lives you would never have survived... and the drugs help them get through... but the prohibition means they are beholden to gangs and criminals.. and they have to pay exorbitant prices... which means they have to do things they otherwise would never have to do... society forces them into a corner... and no good ever comes from shit like that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Right... is this getting through to you at all? Whether you take drugs or if you are completely against drugs, it should make not a single bit of difference to your freedoms! If you harm others or you don't harm others should make all the difference. I can tell you straight up, right now... legalise drugs, and these girls lives would be a HELL of a lot easier... you may have been through a lot... but I still don't think it could compare. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Seriously, read my top level comment in this diary It's all spelled out there... very plainly... it's all that is needed... seriously. Read Jon Stuart Mill... it's not that long a read... if you got a spare few hours, you could read it in a night or two... He pretty much says the same thing, but didn't have economics to back it up... though he reasons to the same conclusions very convincingly. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The Free Market approach on this is pretty clear You should tax the drugs to cover the negative externalities associated with drug use (increased likelihood of theft, violence or neglect say), plus an amount to cover the cost of enforcement of untaxed, unregulated and illegal sales, plus an amount to cover the costs (at least a subsidy) of rehabilitation for those who voluntarily choose it, or are ordered to after committing a crime (not just for taking drugs, but actual crime, such as violence or theft, that is related to their drug use). (no externality correction). There should be plenty of health warnings, and information on where to get help for addiction on the packaging. (perfect information correction). There does exist an argument that you could tax the drugs again because what you get out of the drug isn't as much as you think you'll get out of the drug... but I find this argument specious. (maybe a perfect information correction). Safe supervised shooting galleries should exist for those who chose to use them. (no corrections needed... just as a bar is a 'safe place' to drink - though providing one could be a condition of sale). Sales should be regulated, to whom they can be sold, when and where they can be sold, how they can advertise, purity and labelling. (really an extension of externality and information corrections). Finally... if some drugs could be used on others without their consent, say rohypnol as a date rape drug, then an ID and signature may be required as part of purchasing the drug to aid law enforcement when drugs are misused like that. That pretty much sums it up, for everything from pot to crack. Though every drug is different, so the details of the above would be different, but the same framework would still apply. Now, if you don't like maths and don't want to get into free market economics theory, a very good little essay by a guy called Jon Stuart Mill called On Liberty, also addresses this topic... it's available online for free, and I strongly recommend reading it if you have any doubts that adults should be allowed to make their own decisions for themselves, and especially on what the legitimate limits of society should be regarding what adults chose to do... upon reading this, you will realise we are not yet free. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 where win = lose, amirite? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm guessing you never actually studied maths... For one, the sqrt function is defined as the positive root of x... So, you're entire argument falls apart. If the sqrt function returned both positive and negative (which it doesn't), we wouldn't have to write +/- (plus OR minus) in our equations. This argument is so retarded, it's likely to only impress someone doing first year high school maths. Actual mathematicians laugh at your level of understanding... so, they were right (again) to ban you from irc on the basis that you are quite a bit retarded. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 but but but... mathematicians have to rely on definitions to win their arguments... how is that fair? Clearly they're just being mean! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Please... Trane's last math class was probably high school algebra or something similar... his mathematical theories pretty much end there... he doesn't understand maths as a logical symbolic system, where different fields can be created with different operators defined on them... rather it is a set of rules that can be clearly shown to be incorrect because sqrt(x) = -sqrt(x). QED. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Apparently that Indian Documentary About Gang Rape has been well Received With 9 out of 10 people saying they really enjoyed it... Yep. Funny... but a bit unfair I think... Everything I talk about is accessible to anyone with the time to do a couple of intro to micro econ courses... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Someone needs to rape some sense into these feminists. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You say you can't run out of money, because they can print as much as they like... right... so there's no problem with budgets etc... but then you want to index it... that puts a limit on the amount you can spend on the indexed currency no? So, then they can't spend as much as they like on the indexed currency... they would necessarily be limited... But probably only if you believed in crazy ideas like mathematics. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nobody but you wants that Your plan: Step 1: Basic Income, Infinite (but indexed) Money and Challenges. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Holodeck and infinite wealth and love and peace and understanding. No. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes... this is exactly what the free market does $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't know who you're talking about but both micro professors showed that marginal cost GOES TO zero... once it's at zero, yeah, it's pretty uninteresting. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No.... it doesn't mean that at all... I think maybe you've had too much crack and maths is just a bit beyond you... so, good luck with whatever you were thinking. On one hand we are talking marginal benefit or increase in utility from each additional unit, and on the other the marginal costs of production... Marginal benefits going down isn't by defnition marginal cost going up... that's just you being a crackhead mate. You aren't going to get these concepts if you take each piece out of context just so you can try and find flaw with everything... you keep using terms incorrectly and just being really stupid... I can't really help you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Not to ruin the joke or anything... but I'm pretty sure even meth has a decreasing marginal utility... I know there was a study where heroin addicts were given as much heroin as they wanted, and their use reached a plateau... so it's not like being addicted to drugs means you would consume an infinite amount of them... that's more of a prohibitionist myth... you have your cigarettes or your heroin, and that satiates you... I don't have as much experience with meth or have any studies to back it up, but pretty sure given an infinite supply of meth you're usage rate would plateau and there'd be a point beyond which you wouldn't want any more of. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Way to attack the subject matter... Good thing you're interested in deep truths, and not say, fickle fashion or easy insults or anything like that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It really isn't interesting though... Because it means anyone can have any amount of it whenever they want... what's to worry about? Why should anyone care once something is in that state? If you want it, have it, no complaints... Getting TO that state, is interesting... and that's what economics is concerned with. From an economics point of view, it's the least interesting thing imaginable... because it's the goal we were seeking all along. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's his utility you lazy piece of shit... When things cost nothing... econ is solved... that's why it's uninteresting... Your so stupid, you think there would be problems left to solve. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're so fucking stupid... really... You have an ordered set of preferences... if you don't, you don't give a shit what happens to you... if you do... you have a utility function. We want everyone to maximise their own utility... in other words... the economists wet dream is that everyone gets to do whatever the fuck they want, and not harm others... and somehow this is the cause of poverty... Even though poverty existed for a LONG time before the free market model was created... and a lot of poverty has gone away thanks to it... not to mention that it was responsible for the ending of slavery. And, we don't create scarcity, we recognise it... you're the one so upset about scarcity you want free money... something you can't even EAT!! It's not the free market that wants to prohibit drugs... but you're against the free market... so you're on the side of the prohibitionists... they're the ones that think they can define your utility for you... which means no drugs, cause drugs are bad... okay? I got plenty of ho's left yet. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No it's not... you're just being very retarded... remember that by convention we split costs and benefits up for the purposes of analysis... marginal costs are on the cost side... marginal benefits... well, I'm sure you can figure out the rest. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 They are different things retard... Though related. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, they're not... They are different fucking things... Educate yourself or STFU. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You see... you're like a kid who's just learnt to count... you look at a calculus course... and start attacking it at every opportunity. Stupid lying calculus teachers... x isn't a number... fucking liars... The things you criticise are literally your own ignorance.. that doesn't make you smart, it makes you an idiot... if you knew the material... maybe then you would have something interesting to say (but I doubt it). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... I still see you are retarded... Why fight against how we define things... seems a very weak angle of attack. I assume you just trolling cause you're a crack head. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You mom says Hi! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hey... congrats... That's the kind of optimisations I'm talking about... yeah! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're down to program startup times... I'd still keep getting all the functionality you want into your program first... then getting it down to these types of times everywhere... then you can still run the profiler against it and see if you can't get it down to subsecond... then and only then, consider reimplementing it in C/C++. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's where profiling comes in... You only rewrite the 10% that takes up 80% of your execution time. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 log outta k5 dumb shit or would you have to add another rule to parse that too? Just cause you got a stupid syntax doesn't make it natural language. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sounds really practical $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 this is a programmer-defined syntax $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But that is still a syntax... and cumbersome $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Trane has decided to throw out all of human knowledge on the basis that he thinks somewhere in there there might be a mistake. And he's just learnt about gossip on some course I think... cause he keeps repeating it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm just going to assume that you wrote that because you didn't want to. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, it's not as simple as that... > Isn't it equivalent to just saying "if you make a choice when presented with more than one option, you have a utility function"? Yeah, every (rational) decision making agent has utility function... (it really does apply from slugs to ai)... furthermore, there exists a utility function that is continuous (and bounded, though not sure this is used much in econ) in the reals... but can you prove it? Because first you have to prove such a function exists (under appropriate axioms) before you can use its properties in other proofs... otherwise you accept it axiomatically... and clearly people don't... and also it becomes useful in other areas like ai, where you might model an agent's utility directly. So, instead of accepting that there exists a utility function, all you have to accept is an ordered set of preferences... and if you accept you do, then we can prove the existence of a utility function, which we know is differentiable, and is at a maximum (which we observe through your decisions) at either du=0 or at your resource constraints with du>0... so we can integrate and know your utility by your actions.... UP TO the unknown constant of integration... which is why we can't directly compare different people's utility (supposedly)... but we CAN compare the effects of changes to utility... say, by seeing for example, how much you change your preference from one thing to another depending on an additional reward. So most of economics occurs on the margins... literally the derivatives of utility, price, quantity, etc... Also why the full name is neoclassical marginalist welfare economics... where welfare is net social utility. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So If you're not rational, you don't have an ordered set of preferences, it's one way to not have a utility function. My point is that it's not an empty statement at all... it's pretty important. Also, now that we know a utility function exists, and that it can take the form of something like say, a sigmoid, then in some instances we can find one... which means, given an actor in a state that makes decision from a set of options... we know we can find a utility function for each of those options such that taking the maximum will make the same decisions as that actor... so, we can use something like a universal function approximator like a deep neural network to learn that function... in training we decrease the assumed utility on the choices the model would make, and increase the utility on the choice the actor takes... then it will learn to model that actor's decision making process... irrespective of the actual decision making processes involved... which is why we don't make any assumptions about people thinking in terms of utility. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I've been busy fucking more whores... and lining up some others... So, I haven't had much time for k5... sorry. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I've been doing a lot of fucking $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You'd be interested in this... I lost madam bigs because I did a favour for her... instead of psychologically getting her to supply me with drugs (which she had been doing), I decided to get some for me and split the leftover with her... This broke several policies I have with women, and the result was predictable. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What can you tell a ho with two black eyes? Nothing you haven't told her twice already. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... there's truth in this... a few of these women keep going back to guys that hit them... one can only assume that's their utility maximising behaviour... I ain't gonna do that, but the principle remains... treat em mean, keep em keen. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I see no contradiction... or paradox... It's because your axioms are wrong. Women hate guys that are nice to them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Love and hate are the wrong words... Rather they are sexually repulsed by providers and sexually attracted to users. Though they may 'love' providers and 'hate' the users... the above is generally true. You can't judge by what they say, only what they do. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Utility is good for analysing any decision making agent... even if we know they don't use utility in their decision making agent... it enables us to build a model of them. Actions follow desires... and if a person isn't following their desires... fuck em... what have we got to lose assuming they do? What sort of retard would not follow their desires... and if they are too stupid to not follow their desires, that's because that is their desire... who am I to change them? To not accept utility is to believe other people know what is better for you than you... and in your case, you may be right. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sure http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jrvarma/papers/WP819.pdf https://files.nyu.edu/eo1/public/Book-PDF/CHAPTER%209%20(Utility).pdf ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 All I need to show for the rest of the theorems is that a utility function EXISTS... not to reconstruct any specific individual's utility function... we NEVER do this in economics... we assume that is generally unknowable. If it was knowable, we could make your decisions for you. There are many cases of this type of logic in mathematics... Godel didn't have to write out the entirety of mathematics to prove that there were unprovable truths within it... He didn't even have to find one... he just showed that such a thing exists. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why? Is it because you assume I should have a math function for your particular utility function? I never claimed to have one... I just claimed that it exists... And under the axioms, I provided you with the maths that it does. So, trane, would you prefer a basic income, or would you prefer to have your balls slowly squashed flat in a vice grip? If you would prefer one to the other, you have an ordered set of preferences... which we can map down to a single real number... a utility function. That's all we need to do... you are adding extra constraints on the problem that I never claimed. Literally you've created a strawman. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, you don't care for a basic income then? And you don't mind your balls being destroyed with vice grips and a blow torch? You don't care either way? You don't mind if we rape you and dump your body in pieces into a river? You don't care if we let you live free or in a cage? I mean... you got no preferences either way, right? Cause that's the only other logical outcome to not having a utility function. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ergo, you fail to understand... we don't have to $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Correct... I can't show you your utility function but if you have preferences, you have one. That's all that's required. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Got maths? Didn't think so $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, if you wanted to see how we use utility rather than assuming we actually have to know the particular function for the proofs we obtain, then you should have completed the econ course. You claim gossip, but you are responsible for your own ignorance. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... I can take you to a course... but I can't make you think. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I just linked you the maths retard $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's quite an involved proof... I just linked it for you... what more could you want? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 In maths, it's very common for something to be proven to exist, without actually being able to show it. Godel didn't find any unprovable true statements, he just showed they exist. This idea that you should be able to know other people's utility function goes against free market economics pretty strongly... we wouldn't need free markets if we knew people's utility functions. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No it's not $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No they're not... The lack of a closed form solution does not mean you cannot prove the truth of the statement... It means there exists statements that are True, but that cannot be proven so. You actually proved it through another method which is still a mathematical proof. Something like Riemann Hypothesis would be a better candidate... it appears to hold, but no one has been able to prove it... If you can prove it's unprovable one way or the other, it becomes a member of the Godel's unprovable statements... but that hasn't happened yet... If someone proves it one way or the other, then it's just another mathematical proof. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, the whole point of Godel's theorem was that some statements are either true or false, but cannot be proven so... The above example is just basic contradiction... which he said is an alternative solution... you can either have a logically consistent, but incomplete mathematical set (with unprovable true statements), or you can have a complete mathematical set, but it will have contradictions (like the above statement). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It seems so weird to me, that people who know nothing of economics are the first to claim it is wrong. Play and fun are just high utility activities... why anyone would think otherwise I can only put down to their fundamental ignorance. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hold on... if he's a professor He knows that something with high utility is just the things you most want to do... So, play and fun must be high utility activities... otherwise, we wouldn't do it. There's absolutely no contradiction there... not at the micro-economics level... Utility is the thing you do because it's what you want to do... the problem is normally at the macro-economics level where everyone assumes having a job is the bestest thing ever... rather than sitting at home, smoking meth and having your dick sucked... which, of course, is the absolute peak of economic activity (seriously). That program was no where near complete enough to demonstrate the effects of inflation... so, I don't know what you're talking about there... I gave up on it cause you weren't interested in it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Actually... I'd say he's well aware of this fact.. but is putting it terms mere humans like you could readily grasp... he knows the lay reader thinks economics means hard work and money, so he's just putting it in terms you could understand. Utility really does describe whatever the hell it is you want to do... No exceptions... ever. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you are doing multiple mutually exlcusive things at once... then you must be some sort of quantum powered holographic cyborg from the future... if you are doing multiple non-exclusive things at once, then that is because your 'bundle' of activities has the highest utility for you (within your resource constraints). You complain about your golf course lifestyle... but you actually prefer it over all other available options... how do I know this? Because you haven't taken all those other available options... Your hoity toity golf cock sucking lifestyle is you REVEALED PREFERENCE... It's what you want baby, and you know it. And there we go... utility does explain it, no contradictions necessary... it's the simplest explanation that fully explains the observations... Occam says I'm right, you're an idiot. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Play is UTILITY though... and then you don't have to come up with any more epicycles. It's as simple as that. If you are playing, it's the highest utility activity you can be doing at that point... if you are fucking, it's the highest utility activity you can be doing at that point... if you are smoking a bowl, it's the highest utility activity you can be doing at that point... if you are living on a golf course... if you are going to collect your welfare check... if you are working down a coal mine... it all comes down to that being the highest utility activity you can be doing at that point. Only if you keep thinking that utility means making the most money per second will you find yourself trying to prove that -2 = +2 just because the sqrt function maps to both positive and negative to understand it... you have to rid yourself of that notion or else you'll just be arguing a strawman. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Unpleasant means disutility (negative utility) And you don't change it, because it's not the highest utility to you. There's absolutely nothing contradictory about it... no matter what you do, or try and change it, what you actually do reveals your preference as that being what you consider to be the highest utility you can obtain at that point - even though you don't think in terms of utility... your actions reveal your real preferences at the time you decide to take them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Seems reasonable... except that there's a mathematical proof that any decision making agent can be black box analysed in terms of utility. There's a proof of existence of a utility function. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Okay... if you're a math denier... then we're finished. No amount of logic could persuade you of anything. By definition. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... mathematics is true in all realms $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your programs are all subsets of Turing Machines you non-enforcement of noncontradiction is by necessity mathematically defined. You have't broken out of the realm of mathematics, and you can't on a finite state machine, because we can mathematically define each state and all transitions. This is where your fundamentally flawed... maths is never wrong, potentially axioms are, but never the math itself unless it is actually a mistake in the math, but otherwise it's true. If you don't believe the proof, you really have to point out either an actual mistake in the proof or otherwise your only other points of attack are at axioms. If you cannot accept that, you really have no hope in any sphere of life requiring rational thought. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So you're saying Godel is wrong then? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You are very ignorant of what maths is too... You can have a mathematical system with a number set where -X = X... that's absolutely fine in mathematics, it simply has different properties to say the integer number set Z. Any program you write on a turing machine is by necessity a finite state machine... this is inescapable, and no emergent behaviour will solve this. To make your halting problem argument means you literally disagree with Godel... which makes you entire argument false... I guess you allowing contradictions in your logic helps you with the fact that everything you think, say and do is wrong. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's not solving the halting program... Rather, you have to write a program that says whether a given program will halt or not, and if you give me that I will be able to find a program for it to analyse that causes your program to loop forever or otherwise give the wrong answer. You constantly argue about things when you don't even have the right definitions... is it upset you to be such a loser? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What? Specifically you failed to understand the halting problem. The failure is on you failfuck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No I can't... why would I? It has nothing to do with the halting problem. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're not proving the halting problem false... What you propose has NOTHING TO DO WITH the halting problem. This is why you couldn't get past dead greeks... and a few thousand years of knowledge looks at your stupidity and laughs. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You have to provide the halting decider program idiot... a failure is you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, I didn't claim that either... I mean... go tell me if a particular version of the linux kernel will halt or not... I doubt you could prove it one way or the other. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Linux Kernel is a program... get back to me with the results and proof of your analysis. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 He was maximising his utility within his resource constraints. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'd say dying is a pretty good example of resource constraints, unless it's voluntary, in which case it's the course of action with the highest utility to you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes... everything is utility... your getting it $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, it's not circular... it's just too subtle for you. Your utility is currently in denying it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... just because you can't math... doesn't make it circular. All we need to assume is there are some things you'd rather do, and some things you'd rather not do... the rest follows from that. Otherwise, why the fuck you whine all the time? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, there's nothing to say that other people's utility can't fuck with your own... obviously... if someone's maximum utility is locking you up in a cage and beating you with a stick and it's within their resource constraints, then that is what they will do, but it will have large negative externality effects on your utility. In economic terms, markets allow this, but free markets do not. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, I only believe in it after looking at the maths... and not being able to find any flaws in either the proof or its axioms. Also from observation and with my experience with AI agents. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 We never said we could see what your desires are just that we know you have them... we can see what you specifically desire when act, but only at that point. None of the maths relies on knowing your utility function... simply knowing that you have one is enough. Maths is hard, eh? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There's no backpeddling, because I never claimed otherwise... We can see what your maximum utility (within resource constraints) was at the point of action... It's enough to know you have a utility function. Not that we have to reconstruct your general utility function. We never need to reconstruct anyone's utility function in economics... in fact, it's also an axiom that we don't know your particular utility function... otherwise price setting could be done centrally. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... I have maths that I studied and can't yet fault... And haven't yet found anyone with enough intelligence to fault it... though I'd ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE TO FIND FAULT WITH THE LOGIC!!! That's what scientists actually do. You don't offer to find fault with the logic, because you just skip the logic and assume straight out that it must be wrong... I dunno... cause butthurt maybe? In either case... it's not science what you are doing, is just retarded... you just another brain dead junkie like my last whore. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The proofs don't rely on knowing the actual function... only on particular properties of the function. You never did any maths at uni, did you? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 An unknowable function, is still a function... Is this too much for crack heads? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm confused... did they steal your stuff or did the cops manage to bust them? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Shit... I don't even know what your saying... How the hell do you expect an AI to? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 God -- I can't handle Kermit The Frog Dissing Stephen Hawking. I suffered through nearly 4 mins... is that some kind of record? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I can't understand how it can work or why they would want it... The blockchain needs incentives to work... the mining reward does this for bitcoin... and it's a decentralised system that removes the need for trust... but these banks are going to want a trust based model, defeating the whole point of having a blockchain... especially as they are going to limit who has access to it. A centralised approach is more efficient (in terms of computing resources) to accomplish their goals, which is pretty much what they have already. So, maybe there's a use case I haven't considered yet, but I really don't see this working for anyone... I think it's a dead idea but those who want to sell it haven't realised yet. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Once again, you are complaining that a problem is due to the free market when the free market would actually allow it. You blame the solution as the problem because of your ignorance. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well, if people weren't so stupid, ignorant and stubborn and stopped blaming the free market as the being the source of their problems rather than the source of their solutions, maybe we could... It seems most people like to be their own worst enemies though... and if they argue in favour of their own suffering, I don't see why I should give a shit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yep... Edison violated the Free Market principles and probably paid a greater cost in total than he profited from being an ass and operating outside the free market. As the econ professor pointed out, everytime the market fails, one of the four assumptions has been violated, every time on of the four assumptions is violated, the market fails. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, the model does really do what it says it does and it applies to it's domain which is HUMAN CHOICES... so, it clearly doesn't apply to everything, only that small niche... When I say the market fails that's easy to see and predict, it fails because it isn't the free market, because one of the four assumptions of the free market must have been violated! Edison wasn't a 'dick', he was just a self serving utility maximising economic agent... and just as economics predicts, if he thought he could get away with something for his own benefit - even if it meant breaking out of the free market by lying and not paying up. Thermodynamics doesn't have much to do with it, but economics clearly does, and it does tell us something very useful --- don't trust people, they might not respect the free market --- nail them down to a contract first if large sums are involved... cause soon as it's in their benefit (if they are not principled people - though this too is just a form of utility), you can forget the free market, they will screw you. Furthermore, we know the market rewards that behaviour... cause utility! Which is why operating within the free market would be called enlightened self interest, rather than selfishness above all. It would have excluded what edison did to tesla (note I think hiring smart people and driving them hard, and freely trading a wage with them for their intellectual property is perfectly fine free market behaviour), but it would have also excluded what tesla tried to do to J.P. Morgan over the wardenclyffe tower... and in both these cases, probably everyone ended up worse off than if they had have all been men of principle and operated in the free market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, in a free market you are insulated from other people's bullshit and you wouldn't be involved in any transaction you didn't want to be involved in... see... the free market delivers exactly what you want... alas, the real world is not a free market, and you've been brainwashed to blame the solution rather than the problem. Everywhere you are outfoxed or suffer from loopholes or bad regulation, in each case, you suffer from not being in a free market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Right, the free market gives you that option. You never get involved in any transaction you don't want to be involved in... If you don't want to exchange... No one can force you... You would be free to wait only for gifts... Of course, if you don't want to be involved in exchange you have zero need for money either. Your actions suggest otherwise though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Right... The Market needs regulation to make it Free! You've been lied to and swallowed the lie if you ever believed anything else! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Furthermore the Free Market tells Us exactly what regulation and lie. If you don't fully understand a contract its not free because you violate the perfect information assumption... You don't know what you're getting out of the transaction... Also outright fraud, where the 'contract' is ruse. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 s/and lie/and why/ $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Efficient means relative to the free market It is the 'perfect' market and informs us in how to regulate the real market which differs from this state in those specific ways. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fraud is a violation of the Free Market assumption that all parties have full knowledge of what they are getting out of each transaction. So again, you complain that the problem is the free market, but actually the problem is it NOT being the free market and the solution would be the free market instead. Of course, most people are scum and don't behave according to the free market when there is their own welfare on the line... tesla should have really nailed this down with a contract as proof so edison couldn't weasel his way out of it, but then tesla was quite naive and easily duped it seems. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Secrecy is fine... Perfect information means only knowing what you are getting out of the transaction... These can be done in secret because it doesn't affect others... It isn't an externality... I don't need to know about your deals at all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 As long as before you commit to a transaction you know exactly what you are getting out of it, then you have PERFECT INFORMATION... There is nothing in the free market that says deals have to be public or prepared or conducted in public or anything... secrecy is fine... there's no contradiction with doing your business in private and the free market, that's my point. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If they conceal, you don't know what you get... So, it's not the Free Market. If they don't conceal, you know what you get, it is the Free Market. If they know exactly what they are getting out of it, then that is the free market and the optimum, and everyone should be completely happy and everything is fucking perfect. If they conceal something relevant, then not all parties know what they are getting out of the transaction, so it is NOT free market, and someone is getting less* than they wanted and people get pissed off and feel ripped off and everything is shit because that wasn't a free market trade... it was just market trade and someone should get sued or go to prison or have their heads removed and entrails pulled out slowly through their ass with a red hot poker. So, free market trade, you know what you're getting... can be done in secret... if you got sold lemons that you thought were limes, it's not a free market trade, and you should take them to court to correct the market and bring it closer to the free market that is desired. * : though also potentially more, and is still a problem from a theoretical pov for other reasons, but not as much. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Funny thing is, you didn't hide anything from your customers.... they got exactly what they thought they would get out of the transaction. You hadn't actually declared bankruptcy, you never had to turn any machines off, you just lost customers on your own fear or expectation of bankruptcy that never materialised. All customers know that a company can go bankrupt... and even if you did, I imagine there would have been a grace period for customers to move their stuff... maybe this is something you should put into your contracts. Otherwise, sounds like you just scared off some otherwise happy customers. That's not like selling them on 100TB of disk space but actually that was shared and they were quota'd down to 2GB each... that would be a violation of the free market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... see my other comment... It's quite likely your customers weren't aware of the risks when they signed up, you concealed material facts, you operated unethically and outside of the free market. You may have saved your business, but you did it not at your own cost, but by risking other people's utility. You aren't a free market businessman, just someone who does what it takes to make money... your a pirate, a looter, a scalper, a theif, a fraudster and you a scum. You should really be corrected in a court of law. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you don't get it yet... I don't agree with any business people that anything you do to make a profit is ethical. You and greengrass are putting me in the former category when I am strongly against it, all due to your ignorance of what the free market actually is. And I hope you are starting to see the difference between the free market and do whatever the fuck you want for money... you can't lie to your customers... the fact that everyone you told left you should show that this information IS a part of their utility... you're effectively defrauding them and stealing from them. I also hope you start making your customers aware of the risks they face hosting with you... you actually ARE breaking the free market assumptions and are operating unethically. And the worst part of all this to me, is that you blame the free market rather than yourself (and others who behave similarly) for being selfish cunts who don't give a shit about the free market at all and are willing to make a buck at anyone else's expense if you think you can get away with it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 For one... that fiduciary responsibility is not a law, it's bullshit that you probably got reading the cryptonomicon, and it was stated so seemingly factually that people actually believe it... ie, you could not be found liable for telling your customers the truth. In this case, you didn't end up causing actual harm to your customers... but if you did, you may have become PERSONALLY liable. I mean, you're literally risking other people's HARDWARE without letting them know the risks (even in fineprint)... you could be sued for that now that it's public information... and you are also risking unbacked up data from those you host for. No, clearly you've stepped outside the free market, which is morally and ethically wrong, and possibly leaves you and your company liable. Maybe it's time to run your actions past your lawyer for once. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes, there are laws... but a director acting in what he considers the best interest of his company cannot get sued for lost profits expected by his shareholders, which is the cryptonomicon scenario and what you were describing... even if you thought it lose your shareholders money, if you think it is right for your company, no one can sue you... it's a ridiculous idea. Looting the company for your own personal gain will get you sued under fiduciary responsibility laws... but not deciding that your company is going to be totally open even if it costs you all your customers. I don't really give a fuck about the specifics... the point is if there's a chance your customers aren't going to get out their trade what you sold them on then you are breaking the perfect information assumption, you are not working in the free market, are ripping them off and oh look... what you said is wrong with the free market is exactly because it is not free market and that is exactly why what you are doing is wrong and why you suck shit and should die. If your company can go bankrupt and everyone's machines get shutdown without them getting a chance to get their precious data... AND YOU DID'T INFORM THEM... then you're clearly being an asshole because you are clearly violating the free market. Now that you've identified the problem was not the free market, but how you deviated from it, you can fix the deviation and stop blaming the free market... which again turned out to be the SOLUTION and not the fucking PROBLEM. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you thought you were going bankrupt but didn't tell you customers, and there was no bankruptcy policy in your contracts with your customers, and it was a real and imminent threat that would have material effects on them... then arguably you were concealing information from them and it wasn't a free market trade. The market is just people maximising their utility with the information they have in hand and what they predict their outcomes will be, and in all cases this model describes human behaviour and is universally applicable (in that domain). The Free market is the market restricted in certain ways so that the market produces only utility enhancing transactions... Often you have to create disutilities (fines, taxes, prison, etc) to those who operate outside of the free market so that market behaviours fall in line with the free market. It's no spherical cow... or rather... it's what we have to do to a cow to make it spherical. So, if you found yourself working outside the free market, you know something is wrong... correct it yourself, a bankruptcy policy as part of the contract would probably cover that, and you would know you weren't risking your customer's utility in order to gain your own utility. An ethical business should operate according to free market principles... though it's easy to see why not all businesses would... so often we have to force them through law. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... you clearly don't understand the statement The Free Market is THE MARKET that is RESTRICTED such that it produces only utility enhancing transactions. THE MARKET isn't FREE unless people behave in a certain way... which CAN (often) be achieved through government regulation... but government regulation doesn't automatically make THE MARKET FREE, unless it is specifically the right regulation... and we can know what regulations will produce a FREE MARKET and which ones will not. For example, without regulation, you could steal and defraud in the market, but by definition, that would not be the FREE market... with protection against theft and fraud, you can have a FREE market. Drug prohibition though goes AGAINST the free market for example... so regulation doesn't automatically make a market free and a market by default isn't free... a free market is a very specific thing... which once you manage to parse the sentence you mocked, you might be able to understand. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 ie Free Market is a subclass of Market... okay? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's utopian in the sense that we don't think we can achieve it exactly, but that the closer we are to it the fucking better and that we can approach it asymptotically if only we can get the politicians to enact the correct regulations that econs have known for more than a couple of hundred years. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 And drug prohibition is a non-free market because people cannot voluntarily enter into transactions because they are outlawed. Even if you want to be part of the transaction you are not allowed to... so by definition, because of prohibition, drug trade becomes part of the BLACK market (see, there are many types of markets, and free market is only one of them). A market is free if and only if it has the following properties (by definition!): - There are no externalities. Anyone affected by a trade is involved voluntarily. - Perfect information of what you are getting from the trade. - Perfect competition. There are many competing on supply and demand. - Actors are rational. There is an ordering of what each person desires. Any deviation from these is a deviation from the free market, and needs to be externally corrected, which is where regulation is needed. We also know how the deviations affect the free market, by how much, and how to correct for them. Regulation doesn't magically make a market free unless it enforces the above assumptions or otherwise corrects for them. Has this helped your understanding? You getting it yet? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Jesus christ you're a fuckhead... Of COURSE we KNOW that the REAL WORLDTM doesn't work like the Free Market... That's the fucking point... We know that the most efficient perfect cow is spherical, but real cows aren't, so it shows us how to beat the cow into a sphere... Not that we think cows are fucking spheres but that we think they SHOULD be... Did you ever finish high school? Can you grasp this concept? It's almost opposite of the spherical cow as the basis of a model of reality... We've studied cows and gone over them with a fine tooth comb and finally we've PROVEN that spherical cows are the best cows we can have and HOW cows AREN'T FUCKING SPHERE'S and EXACTLY how they are NOT spheres and how to MAKE THEM into nearly exact spheres by applying the right pressure in the right places. It still won't be a perfect sphere... but it will be a much much more efficient cow. > > We also know how the deviations affect the free market > No, no we don't. Yes, Yes we do! For EVERY broken assumption, there is a REMEDY... You make your own ignorance into fact... but you've already proven how ignorant you are, yet it doesn't stop you making nonsense statements. It's not my job to educate you, but I'll reluctantly give you an example. OMG someone produces widgets with a factory that pollutes a river... That's a real fucking clear example of an externality... and the solution is to estimate the value to everyone else of the damage to the river and tax that amount to the factory. It really is as simple as that. Of course, proving this mathematically is a little bit more involved, but that's the result. > Almost all your business activities have some effects on other people. Let's imagine you're a businessman who thinks he knows what the free market is because he's a businessman but never actually studied the free market because he's lazy and proud of his ignorance, but goes all over the internet writing how stupid the free market is and I have to put up with that bullshit even though I don't want to... that's a negative externality too... So, we estimate the cost of that effect on other people... which is what... oh SWEET FUCK ALL... and tax the appropriate amount. Small deviations don't matter as much as large deviations... WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING THUNK IT? Oh that's right... Adam Smith in 1776. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 By the way, centrally planned systems are markets too... it's another form of market, distinct from the Free Market, and they are called Command Markets... where the price is set by central command rather than between the individuals and it mainly suffers from the central command not being a good reflection of the sum of individual's utility, they can't estimate other's utilities well (unsurprisingly), and the difference invariably leads to over or under production resulting in shortages or large wasted unused stockpiles. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If, after all the dealing, they had concealed relevant material facts from you about what you were actually getting out of the transaction, then that would be a violation of the free market... So, say Apple decided to buy Microsoft, and all the deals were in secret and apple agreed and they went ahead and bought MS for however many billion only to find out afterward they were only getting the division of microsoft that assemble the little clicker buttons in the microsoft mouse... that would be against the free market... Or say they hid something like the fact that MS knew that the EU was going to sue them for anticompetitive behaviour that would bankrupt them, but not revealed that information. But for their deal to be sorted out in secret, maybe so the public doesn't find out about the latest MS interface widget from their R&D department that is going to make huge changes... or even how they structure their taxes, say... as long as apple know they are getting all of MS amd what they are getting, then that's perfectly fine and free market and harms no-one. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If only he got a basic income... There'd be no incentive to be greedy and fix teeth at all! Instead of dentists selfishly fixing teeth, they could spend all day masturbating to challenging VR porn. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There is economic utility in picking up trash... You do it because it's a *good* thing... The very definition of economic utility... Jesus, you're such a fail fuck. Probably no one would want to be a dentist for the fun of it... at least there would be far less incentive... with no market for dentistry, you could do your own teeth I suppose... Or otherwise, why didn't you just find someone who does dentistry because it's fun? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sounds really good... When institutional buyers get into the bitcoin market, it's going to have to drive the price up, merely from the fact that they will want to be holding many millions of them. Increasing demand with a constant supply can only increase the price. If banks start using it for clearing, it's really going to go through the roof. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Those things may well happen... but the first steps she appears to be taking is creating another way for institutional buyers to get in... so, the short term is first going to be a big price rise. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Attn greengrass: What's better than the Free Market? You hate the free market, we shouldn't have it, it's the cause of all that is wrong with the world, but if you don't like the free market, it must be because you have a better alternative. So, why don't you explain? What system would be better than the free market? Another question, you can just answer true or false... The Free Market means people should be able to pollute as much as they want, without regulation, taxes or fines, as long as it is profitable for the polluter. This is to test your view what the free market is. Scarcity is the human instinct to want more no matter how much you actually have. You have infinite wants in a finite world. Look at you for example, you have clean drinking water, you are well fed, you have shelter, you are healthy, you have a FUCKING car, you don't seem to run out of gas for it, you travel where you like, you are on constant vacation, you never work... AND IT'S NOT FUCKING ENOUGH FOR YOU! You are the ultimate whinging spoiled brat, you have EVERYTHING ANY PERSON COULD POSSIBLY WANT IN LIFE... AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH. You want MORE AND MORE AND MORE. GREEDY FUCK. How many millions of basic income do you need before you would literally have every single desire of yours fulfilled and you wouldn't want for any more... there would be nothing you couldn't want for that you couldn't have... it's INFINITE. Bill Gates doesn't have enough money for what he wants, Elon Musk could do with a few more billion to advance his latest project... and you just won't shut up how fucking hard you have it... and you're a perfect example of an entitled spoiled western cunt! Scarcity is caused by your desires, not your need to survive... because YOU ALREADY HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO SURVIVE... and it's not enough... you demonstrate the very definition of scarcity. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 From each according to their ability, to each according to their need... In a sense, it is right to take from those who can afford it and give it to those who need it... Redistribution is compatible with the free market, though it isn't free trade in itself... the free market still works with redistribution, and there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it. If we could fund a livable basic income, I'd be all for it, and I would remove minimum wage altogether... Minimum wage keeps people out of jobs, but a basic income would stimulate demand, which would create jobs... If walmart could double the number of employees, and pay them half as much, I'd be all for it in a world with basic income... it gives more people in total something to do, if they so desire it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... what I'm saying is that you can actually have a good mix... That the free trade with wealth redistribution IS the free market. If republicans say otherwise, it is because they are lying, and selling lemons as limes when they say welfare, free health, free education and anti-pollution or other anti-big business interests isn't the free market. If greengrasses and tranes want to believe them, then they are uneducated idiots. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, I suppose... What I'm getting at, is that they are selling some version of the 'free market' that means no regulations... like, oh, you have a monopoly, we better not do anything cause the 'free market'... or, oh, you're pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, better not do anything cause the 'free market'... oh, you're lying to your customers about the services you provide, better not do anything cause the 'free market'... Which isn't the Free Market at all... cause the Free Market must be regulated to minimise these things... but then people like greengrass come along and are all like, screw the free market... without realising they are actually arguing against the very things that could fix the problems they are identifying. And then they're proud of their ignorance, and attack anyone who actually studies a little bit and has a basic understanding of the solutions. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, it's only the "best" solution from your point of view... it's a shame you never learnt to think economically... So, for sake of argument, I'm gonna say it could be a really good solution for the type of thing we would like to see... where the client selects the moderators in a sense, and so some collaborative filtering can occur, which provides some signal raising and noise reduction... all good... But why would someone want to run a site like that? Reddit's system (and other web forums) give the owner a lot of political power, and they can convert that to ad revenue easily and maybe even other sources of revenue. Still... you could always write a site like that yourself maybe? Ultimate proof of concept... and if you build it, they will come... Not sure you'll convince anyone else to build it though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Power is their utility When the mods ban, they do it for power. They aren't thinking of economics or utility or any other stupid economic crap pulled out of lower orifices. Economists don't think people think in terms of economics or utility, just that they act as if they do... in this case, that power is their utility... "They do it for power" is exactly my point. For some people, if there's no power, there's no utility... there's no point. And your system still offers that... if you set the /ignores for a large group of followers, you still hold a lot of power over what those followers see (by default)... and the owner still has veto power too, in any case... or rather, it would take a LOT of work to work out how to design it so that couldn't happen and do it in a provably secure way. As for freedom of speech, you don't have the right to use other people's resources to publish your ideas on... they are well within their rights to tell you to go elsewhere... in other words, the law can't compel me or my businesses to post your banners... fuck off. Also what tdillo says about do it cause no one's stopping you, except that you don't have enough free money, right? I mean it's the money that's stopping you, not lack of talent or anything else. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, that's a syllogism... ad revenue is utility but not all utility is ad revenue. The irc or reddit mod's own sense of power is utility for many. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What else do you think trane would do with free money and "challenges"? Challenge: How much saline can I inject in my scrotum? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Actually... I want to pop it... like a balloon. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm more upset about the hot tattoo covered east german concert crew girl I failed to chat up at the Foo Fighters show last night... And while they were nice tits... I mostly miss what the relationship could have been but wasn't than the results of a little bit of cosmetic surgery. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why is Grohl still alive? I'm not 100% certain, but it might be the lack of taking a shotgun to his own head? Just a guess though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I wish you were so smart. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's been oscillating between about 300 and 400 for quite some time now... sometimes a little lower or higher... but about that range. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I agree... We could print more money so people can go into the woods with their cars, fuck up the land, chop down the trees and dump rubbish in it where ever we like, and the extra money will make it all okay so we can fuck the forests because we'd all be rich! All the extra money means that we'd have more forests anyway because printing money means everyone is wealthier and we won't have to play forest street artificial scarcity games pretending we can't have infinite forestry... and those that do can be isolated from the rest of us and play their games of grow their own forests while we chop down our own infinite forests with all the extra money we have... and if we do run out of forests, we can just use a forest destruction-adjustment mechanism like forest indexation as a hedge against no forests left. It's just so simple, I'm surprised trane didn't think of it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 We don't need loggers... we can automate... And robots can chop down all the trees... but free money will mean that even if we chop down all the trees, there will be enough forests for everyone. That's how money works right? Scarcity of real world goods and services is just due to the artificial scarcity of money? That's what you're trying to tell everyone, yes? People could just buy their own forests. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Jesus... I was going to say that... but thought even you would find that disgusting. So, we can slash and burn all the forests and wildlife in the real world and live in virtual infinite forests... fantastic... fuck the regulations, fuck the park warden and fuck the forests... VR forests come with free pepsi anyway. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hold on... I know you're a fantasist... but let's follow your logic. If we just give everyone millions of dollars every year printed for free from the Fed, we could build robots to destroy all the earths real forests, but because we are all rich we could still have real forests, because resources doesn't real, only artificial scarcity of money, and we should be happy with all the virtual forests we create in our little VR cocoons... no? And fuck mars... we can have our own planets in VR... we don't need no bullshit real planets. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You can't use utility in your arguments when you don't believe in utility functions... that's illogical. Anyway... what about people who want to build robots to cut down all the trees because they don't like trees? And not VR trees, that's boring, I mean, fuck the real trees. Your theory is though that they could do that just fine, right? As long as everyone has enough free money, other people can buy their own forests too. My point isn't about forests anyway, it is that your theories are complete nonsense with no rational logic behind them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... YOU are too stupid... Look... the only economic motivation I need is that I like to see forests turned into asphalt. So, your suggestion is that people pool their resources and buy the forests... I like your thinking... let's privatise the forests... but you are basically saying that with enough basic income people can cut down as many trees as they like, and now that everyone is rich on basic income, there will be enough forests for everyone... just as I originally stated. Can we do the coral reefs next? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Surely, if I had enough money though... I could cut down all the trees and pave it with asphalt, because I fucking love doing that, right? It's only artificial scarcity of money that stops me right now... not the other way around. That's your view on economics, no? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm not saying I had anything to do with it... but HHD should be a lesson to any of you who even think about adding procrasti to the blasterbegone script. You've been warned. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maybe his cracks weren't all that wise... if you know what I mean? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 On the Face of It -- Romance So, I just found a pair of earrings I recognise on my windowsill outside my flat, which I guess means Jenna's been around during the last week while I was away at the family farm during a visit from one of my family's friends. And I'm kind of conflicted what to do should I see her again... She is quite good looking, and the sex is reasonable enough, though I feel there are too many hoops to jump through to get it... like red pill extreme shit test handling, physical escalation and comfort/attraction trade offs... Obviously I'm naturally a beta type of guy who just likes to be nice to women and avoid conflict, but that doesn't work... so I have to guard my instincts and be kind of an asshole the whole time... not let loose and just be stupid funny kind me. In past relationships, if I wanted sex I just rolled over, woke them up and usually 'Fuck?' was enough to get going... but this one is all drama, shit and timing... precision every time or it all goes out the window. Then there's the fact that she is a whore, but when I was with junkie car-go girl that never bothered me... but she didn't deny who she was, and it just was all very straight forward... but with Jenna, well... she flat out denies being Jenna... like, yeah, she was a whore when she was 18... but if she keeps getting accused of it, she may as well go back to it... yeah right... Same with the all the fresh meth picking sores on her legs - 'Back when I was a meth addict...', you mean last week? Like, the next day complaining that she should get half a bag of weed for the blowjob the day before because I didn't say no when she said that when was blowing me (all contracts entered into during sex are immediately null and void upon orgasm, I wasn't listening anyway and didn't your mother ever teach you not to speak with your mouth full?), or at least as much weed as I smoke... lol... really? The whore instinct remains. She is quite good with the plausible deniability... like when I met her outside the courtroom, trying to claim I put up the Jenna adverts... clever girl... but her story always has inconsistencies... and how can you deal with a women who is constantly lying in all sorts of ways, big and small? (The judge said he had to judge her case facts 'On the face of it' - hence the title, and his way of saying he knows she's a lying whore but they'd failed to prove it - I pointed this out to her and it's now her latest favourite joke). Imagine being in a relationship with someone like that and having to get a job... there's zero probability of her not cheating while you're slaving away in some fucking cubicle somewhere... you can't keep everyone away 24/7, in fact, you have to trust a girl to do that herself... I'd never feel that security with her... if I let myself get involved like that I'd feel like absolute shit... got to respect yourself above all else. Fuck it, I feel like shit anyway even when I initiate the kicking her the fuck out. I'm far to sensitive for a woman like this. So, the only thing I can think of is to keep her emotionally distant... never become complacent... accept you're never going to 'own' her... mind you... one blowjob and the next day she stops to admire a wedding dress in the local boutique... "don't you think it's pretty"... lol shit girl... gonna take more than a blowjob... why don't you take a look at the bridesmaid's dresses over here and set your goals a little more realistically? Luckily one thing I always do is keep building new connections... So she assumed I was making up a story about a new girl (let's call her madam bigs, cause she runs a few street girls herself)... but she pulled up outside my place and called up, I chatted with her for a while on the balcony, but then thought fuck it, bring her in... so madam bigs is there squatting down giving me the full view of what's under her short skirt and we're furiously eye fucking each other... and Jenna's just going absolutely crazy, like trying to find common ground and stuff 'I used to be a working girl, so I know what it's like' (you mean last week?)... and one upping each other on how much they like me... and then Jenna starts furiously cleaning my house and tries to show off to madam bigs by taking a few silver coins from my change jar (bitch, you gots your own money, put that back - 'I was just trying to show madam bigs... blah blah' - 'shut the fuck up, it's not yours and madam bigs isn't a thief'), finally saying she want's to go out and buy some cheap clothes from the second hand store... anyway... I digress. So, here's one thing maybe kurons could help me with... Like, after the morning blowjob, I'll be like, let's get some weed, and she'll be like, and then we'll have kinky sex in the afternoon... well I agree of course... but I never do, cause I think I'm out of my depths on that one... Cause I don't think I can think of anything kinky that she wouldn't find vanilla... anal? Just another day at work... two women... there's an advert for that - Monday double special with Jenna and Sasha... She's bound to have been spitroasted many times before, and besides I don't want other men in my naked time... She's probably done farm animals, horsecock, bsdm, sub/dom roleplaying both ways, swinging from the chandeliers, champaign bottles opened up in her cooch and pretty much anything I could think of would be been there done that, if she was ever honest about it... I imagine even A2M would bore her... BUT I think I might have thought of something that maybe even she hasn't done... Which I'm calling A22M... Where, instead of fucking a girl in the ass and then pulling out and having her suck her own shit off your dick... you fuck another girls ass, then pull out and have her suck the other girls shit off your dick. So, maybe something I can sort it out with madam bigs or street geologist... You know, be nice to surprise a girl with something new... shows you were thinking of her... Romance! Pretty sure it's not a fetish of mine... I've never enjoyed a woman cheating on me. Well... I do know it's not diseased... well... could be if recent I suppose... and you can stretch it and tear it but you can never wear it out... but it is a ho. I dunno... was the challenge I suppose... like, when I met her I thought it kind of odd that a girl of that calibre didn't get completely stuck on me... seemed pretty strange... even taking into account all the higher cortical damage and lack of bonding instincts caused by adolescent meth usage and high partner count... I guess that's kind of what motivated me. But now I guess I don't have any good reasons not to keep it on rotation, as long as it's easy and cheap... that's why I kicked her out after a few days. Well... lots of reasons really... the fact that she's now getting on a bit... she was spritely 27 when I met her, and now she's approaching 30! Also, those meth sores on her legs... just yuck! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Strictly Ballroom was huge when it came out... Must have been late 80's early 90's though... so quite old movie. Razorback is a must see classic too. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nice log normal distribution you got there $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Can you plot it on something like ln((x+1)/15)? I do a lot of input normalisation for machine learning tasks... so ultimately you could scale it then plot it on a QQ plot to see how far from a log normal distribution it is. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I have to say that Jenna's Blowjobs are about as good as one could imagine. Those dick sucking lips might look good in photos but that's nothing in comparison to their application. Apparently she uses snake venom lipstick that cause your lips to swell to great effect. Her large shapely breasts form a backdrop that somehow amplifies your cock... like some magic giant cock spell were cast in the vicinity of her lips. She delivers in an absolutely professional manner, great use of hands and tongue and variation, ample saliva production, excellent gag reflex control, neither too light or too firm, too fast or too slow, takes direction easily, no objections to hard core face fucking or hair pulling and swallows eagerly, taking the remaining on her face and breasts, as it should be. My only complaint is that I gave into her request not to film it for your enjoyment, that and the fact that she has no soul. Best blowjob of 2015. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Jenna Bunny... aka Meth Tits... I've put up pics in my diaries... you might consider them porn... so be careful. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Thanks... looks like the platform I need to release the sex videos on. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, well the blockchain is the technology and digital currency is just the first major application of it... There's a whole heap of things that it enables, this is just one of them, and it's hard to know what will be possible... but there are smart contracts, notarization, coloured coins (so you could have a bitcoin to represent a company or another asset or commodity), electrum hopes to enable digital autonomous corporations... the possibilities are endless. I'm all for alternative uses of the blockchain... and this one looks interesting... I really have been wondering how to sell porn... I bought it up with Jenna, but I wasn't going to argue the point over a blowjob... but I see her acclimatising to the idea... I did tell her that if we were going to have sex anyway we might as well get paid for it... she said "It's not like that with you." (still denying that she's Jenna mind you)... I replied "Bitch, not you... me!"... We'll see. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Paypal, Visa and others make you jump through hoops to sell adult content... Hoops I'd simply rather not jump through. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So how much easier does this method make it? Quite a lot from my estimate. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Make it work, make it correct, make it easy Simple software will package all this... it's a bit technical now, but blockchain technology is really new (still a bit untested I think though... mining monopoly scares the fuck out of me), so it's all exploding. MI goes on and on about how much better visa is than bitcoin and this app again, but could you even do a $10 giveaway with visa or paypal online like I did here? (paypal might be possible, I don't really know)... This really democratises payment and everything that goes on around it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Electrum has all that though... How many people understand how email works? You and I do, but we're a minority... yet most people manage to use it just fine. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... I got ex junkie whores on methodone maintenance who call me every once in a while telling me they follow the value of their BTC on their mycellium android apps. With electrum, I think the exchange rate might be hidden away in the options or settings somewhere... that's a pretty minor design flaw. Also, you don't have 'an account' number... you could have many... That's like insisting that email needs a house number and street address or it will never take off... it's not that conceptually hard to use... people just need to know people who use it to ask questions from and it will spread... again, just like email. Exchange rate movements are only for investors really. Transactions are viewable in a tab on electrum, no? As for security... hardware wallets are one solution... bitcoin banks are another... encrypted wallets and standard security are good enough for most uses. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 On the Face of It --- Lonliness I had to kick her back out to the curb. I woke her up... said I wanted sex... she said she didn't. Bitch? WTF has it got to do with what you want? So I told her she couldn't stay and would have to go. Besides, staring at all the meth sores on her legs and thinking of all the lying and whoring was turning me off. I ain't putting up with all of that and be refused sex. So then came the yelling and screaming, and that she was going to get her new boyfriend to beat me up, that she would have to lie about me to him, tell him and the police I'd raped her, how I was taking advantage of her (and all the other vulnerable girls), that she was going to get bikies to beat me up and smash my car and burn my house down and shit like that. But otherwise I think it's going pretty well. I got's a trick to avoid this problem legally... Cause, most of them are psychotic and will reward Beta (provider) behaviour with anger, threats and violence... and I presume those threats can turn into police reports etc... When the shit starts flying, I hit record on my phone... then I push them so I get all the threats recorded on tape... (they will claim shit about being recorded too... just ignore it and continue, but that's proof they are being recorded with their permission, cause they can always leave)... state facts at them that they either agree with or fight more... whatever, it's recorded... then I say something like "Bitch? WTF are you all upset about?", wrap my arms around them, and squeeze them as hard as I can... then they come good, apologise and I restate my facts and get them to agree to them again... all on record. So, I got no worries from police... bikies and psycho's yes, but I got other methods for that. I ain't no gorilla. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Gas, grass or ass $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Everyday he's not in jail or an asylum is MDC day here. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 On the Face of It --- Tell K5: How to Get A Blowjob http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2013/9/12/81620/1949 Finally Solved... I hope you've enjoyed this simple 18 month step by step guide to getting blown. You will need an anonymous remailer, zero day Facebook hacking tools, stalking skills, threatening ex'es, pictures from Craigslist adverts... The usual stuff... I'm sure you've all been following along. You missed the magistrates court appearence, and withholding of affections and compliance controls. Not sure if trap... One I so willingly walked into.. You never know... Tomorrow's Diary might be about loneliness, shame, porn or bloody crime scenes. But she looked so much better this time than when I last saw... My cock made a vast improvement to her face. Poll. Well... you admit you don't know what it is... So, I'm literally arguing with an ignorant. Can you name the four assumptions (really constraints) of the free market? If not, then how the fuck can you be so certain what you're arguing against? Because, mathematically, it is proven (given assumptions of utility) that everyone is better off, and no one is worse off, under a free market. The very profitably business you are talking about isn't operating in a free market, because in a free market both consumers and producers are price takers, not price makers... anything else points there to be limitations in competition. I suspect you are talking about laissez faire economics, which ISN'T the Free Market... it's something else... and has all sorts of problems. > zero reason that with the technology we have there should be suffering You have a solution to this? Something BETTER than the free market? I really think you have no fucking idea. You're just another ignorant moron, spouting bullshit about shit you don't understand and thinking that it makes you sound smart... you're just a fucking retard fat fuck without a clue. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 THIS... SO MUCH THIS... Clearly you're a lot smarter than me at economics... but I just like getting people to know about it, I suppose. You're completely right... The elite owners and media "Economists" LIE about the Free Market... I think they deliberately distort the meaning and use the words Free Market, whilst actually telling people to implement laissez faire policies... So people associate the Free Market with shit that is extremely NOT Free Market and so they shut off, they don't even want to KNOW what the Free Market is... they HATE it, because of all these shit heads LYING about it. Which only makes the problem worse, but the answer isn't IGNORANCE... only really though knowing what the Free Market is, can we hope to identify and correct what the Market does. Here's the problem, I think... why the Free Market fails... The Free Market itsef is a tragedy of the commons... It is a positive externality... Not only do people operating in the Free Market benefit from it, but so does everyone else... and positive externalities are underproduced by the Market... Therefore Free Market is underproduced in the market! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, the solution to problems with the Market is to be ignorant of them? Pot meet kettle, dipshit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's my 30th Birthday and I want 3000GBP to have a party... payment due in 4 weeks. True loan request. YOU'RE LOAN APPLICATION HAS BEEN DENIED! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Now? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Never do tomorrow what you can put off forever $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If they were based in Australia you could probably sue them for false or misleading advertising... But they seem to be based in California... Maybe you could still sue them... I dunno... but it would almost certainly be more expensive than it's worth. I guess this how they get away this kind of shit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What is he masturbating with? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No you're all wrong... the answer is his paws... but if watch carefully, he doesn't, he just keeps going and going. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Attn: Greengrass - What have you got against the FREE market? Greengrass made a statement I find very strange: "There is no such thing as a free market nor should there be." To me this is as strange as if he had have said "There is no such thing as a free man, nor should there be". So, I want to hear what anyone (except trane of course, cause he's just fucking stupid) could possibly have against the free market. Of course, if you say something that is not a free market then I'm just going to zero rate you and move on. So, if you tell me that monopolies control the free market, you get a zero, because a free market cannot have monopolies, by definition. If you say free markets lead to polluted cities, again, I'm going to zero you, because a free market has no externalities, by definition. If you tell me people are forced into things they don't want to do I'm going to zero you, because all transactions are voluntary, by definition. And if you tell me that companies lie and cheat, yes, I'm going to zero you, because you always know what you are getting out of a free market transaction, by fucking definition. Poll. That's a cute pink suit you got on there... Did you make it yourself or did your gay lover lend you his? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Still better than greengrass' / trane's argument $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Because that is the DEFINITION OF A FREE market... Anything else... anything that doesn't conform to the restrictions of a free market is not a free market... It's just a market... a free for all... anarchy or something else... but not a FREE market. There can be no slavery in a free market, because that is not a free market (get where the name comes from yet?). So, yeah, PEOPLE have to have laws and regulations to make sure they operate in accordance to the rules of a free market, because they are self interested and will operate OUTSIDE of it... enslaving people, lying, cheating, stealing, killing... but none of that is a free market. Also, no utility is UNITLESS... Dollars are a CONVENIENT measure... but not the only one... We could measure it in tons of gold, or potatoes... It's just that almost everyone is familiar with dollars. I keep telling you this, but it seems you don't believe me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 See my comment below balsamic's on fungibility $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... you'll see elsewhere that a free market actually requires external enforcement to function... that's not much of a problem philosophically... it's just the way it is. I can't find a source right now... but economists noticed chaos in their equations very early on... much earlier than the 90's... something like the 30's or 40's. I'll dig it up when I'm less tired. Actually, you get all the results of the free market if you randomly redistribute all the wealth before trading... or rather... you can redistribute in non-distortionary ways and get all the same benefits (across everyone, not for individuals, because obviously some people would be worse off than without the redistribution)... It leads me to believe that you can tax wealth, and redistribute it as a basic income, and a lot of these oscillation you are talking about could be greatly reduced. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... when you say tax, I'm assuming you're talking about income or capital gains or something similar that operate on the flow of money or value... They have their place, but they are distortionary (there is less incentive to work with income taxes... there is less incentive to invest with capital gains taxes). Actually, the only truly non-distortionary tax is a wealth tax... and wealth tax would serve just as well if not better for this purpose... It is actually perfectly in line with free market theory... It's basically hidden in the first few chapters of any intro to micro-econ course or text... and although non-distortionary redistribution before trading is always mentioned as having no effect on the welfare theorems of free market trade... somehow, no one ever mentions wealth tax at all. I suspect the reasons for this have to do with who owns the wealth and the political influence of the wealthy. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, those instability problems really show up in macro-economics, not micro, which is concerned with the free market. In macro-economics you have the business cycle... bought about by the interaction between business and credit provision... at the bottom of the cycle credit is hard, and business is slow... but then business starts to pick up, credit becomes available, there's a feedback loop, credit becomes even more available and more businesses pop up... then credit becomes too available, and some of the businesses getting credit start going bankrupt, the credit companies start calling in their loans, forcing other businesses that would have been okay out of business, which feeds back on itself further retracting credit and more businesses collapse until only a few are left, the economy is depressed or stagnated but there aren't much in the way of outstanding risky loans so the credit companies start making a few more loans and the whole thing repeats... Boom and bust, boom and bust, boom and bust... Keynsians say the government should try to smooth this out by increasing government spending (running a budget deficit) during the busts to stimulate the private sector... and (the theory goes) should REALLY run budget a surplus in the boom times to regulate the private sector and cover their own debt... but politically that rarely happens... so who knows where that eventually leads... guess we're finding out. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... I'm not a professor of economics... And I'm not familiar with the equations you are talking about... supply/demand cycle for a product? I don't know much about feedback loops here... Only thing I can think of is typical product lifetime curves... that go something like, introduction, rapid growth, saturation and obsoletion... I mean... you wouldn't want a mechanical control system that operated like that... you wouldn't get in a plane that worked like that... but it's exactly what you want for your typical consumer product. Can you relate it to potatoes? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, I'm familiar with harmonic oscillators... I think it's a bad example for a few reasons... Firstly, I'd say crude oil is a pretty bad example of the free market... The fact that OPEC has so much ability to set prices proves that it is just very far from perfect competition and therefore isn't a free market at all. If OPEC operated in a country with anti-collusion laws, they'd be done for it, but they're outside of our jurisdiction. Secondly, in the standard model, price has no effect on supply and demand... rather supply and demand are price/quantity curves... shifting supply and demand means providing more or less at the same price, or providing the same amount at a higher or lower price... the entire curve shifts... So generally, more is demanded and less supplied at a lower price, and more is supplied and less demanded at a higher price, but supply and demand themselves haven't changed! However, the simple model does not take into account delays such as the time it takes to put a factory into operation, or maybe empty out a stockpile... so, maybe your model has some application here. Secondly, there is no agreed upon model for price setting! I mean, the harmonic oscillator model you have might be relevant... but it's far from agreed that this is how prices work... So some 90's economist has a model... but probably not a well accepted model... certainly not at the micro level. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... quite correct... Of course people don't naturally conform to the rules of a free market... people lie, cheat, steal, pollute, cause harm, even kill for personal gain... a free market cannot allow these types of behaviour, so a free market can only exist through the force of law... contracts, personal rights, etc... and this requires taxes to fund... So, to enable a free market, we have to raise taxes... and taxes can't be raised in a free market, because it would suffer from a tragedy of the commons type problem (people would not pay the taxes because it's not in their personal interest to do so individually, but it is in their personal interest for everyone else to do so... on average, no one pays, and the system collapses). So, you are 100% correct... for a free market to exist, we must enforce it through mechanisms that are themselves not bought about through the free market. You might see that as a contradiction... but where a free market doesn't exist naturally, instead we try and find ways to bring about results that are as close as possible to it... it's the price you have to pay to have it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... it doesn't answer my question... It's like saying personal liberty is an unobtainable ideal and can only be approximated by force... I can't be free if others a 'free' to harm me against my will... So force is required to enable freedom. There's no contradiction there... I can't have a free market if others allow to lie, swindle, steal from and defraud me... or enslave me... or dump garbage on my property against my will... The confusion is people think a free market is a free for all, do whatever the hell you want... but it's not... it's a very clearly defined set of principles. What I wanted to know is why people would be AGAINST those ideals and principles. If they are against the free market, they MUST be for one of those things... either forced labour, or forcing you to buy something... or not allowing you to buy something... or stealing from you, or forcing pollution on you... so what part of it don't they like? Are you upset that we have laws to protect us from those things? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... he did say 'nor should there be'... So... while personal liberty is an unobtainable ideal in that sense... is it something to be avoided? Should we not strive for that goal because it requires force and some limitations? Or should we just be against it like it's something we want nothing to do with? Like you said, we only need the taxes and the force because of bad actors... If everyone respected individual liberty we wouldn't need that and we'd have the ideal... Why wouldn't you want that? Similarly, if everyone respected the free market, we wouldn't need enforcement and taxes either (although lots of other caveats, public goods, externalities, etc...)... Are we still against the free market? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh god... you're making it complicated... lol... Okay... personal liberty to me is Jon Stuart Mill's On Liberty... pretty much the harm principle.. as thou harm none, do as thou wilt... to me everything kind of stems from that (but actually from the free market --- or more correctly, deviations that have to be corrected from it). War and shit... we're getting too complicated... and I somehow ended up past my sleep cycle... but if you're going to start arguing that conscription is right, or you have the right to take my heart because someone more important than me needs it... sorry, gonna tell you to fuck off. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... alright... no major disagreements there... but it did sound to me like he was against the free market itself... rather than that we should be aiming towards it as an unobtainable ideal... it's like he's viscerally against the free market and its ideals itself... rather than the tricky edge case of how you enforce it without stepping outside of it (in the terms of language compilers... a self hosting platform). I don't know what he means either... kind of why I called him out in this diary. Although I suspect he thinks the free market is the free for all market so often proposed by Libertarians, republicans and monopolists... not economists... and I kind of wanted to clear that up too. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 > You get the model confused with the reality No... not exactly... the FREE market is the ideal... the MARKET is what actually happens... Where the assumptions of the FREE market don't line up with the MARKET we end up with Dead Weight Loss... ALWAYS an economic loss. That's where we have to bring in regulations to bring the MARKET in line with the FREE market. Being against the MARKET is fine... in fact, almost all economists are against the MARKET because they know how it causes problems... because it deviates from the FREE market... and how to correct them. (though sometimes some dead weight loss remains, but how to minimise it). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Once more... to slightly fix this confusion... The FREE market is the MARKET under a very specific set of constraints... Constraints with which we know bring about a pareto optimum, where everyone is better off for having been involved in the market, and no one is worse off. We KNOW that the MARKET doesn't have these constraints, and we can see that it therefore does not bring about pareto optimums... people are WORSE off for having been involved (sometimes involuntarily) in with the MARKET. So, economists look at the MARKET and say, what do we have to do to make it function like the FREE market... So, for sure, get pissed off about the MARKET and what it does to people, and all that shit... but I still find it difficult to argue with the FREE market... Put it this way... I have looked and looked and looked, and I can't find fault with free market... Not once has anyone come to be with an objection and I've gone... fuck... the free market really does have this problem. Either they are ignorant of the free market, or they have never raised an objection. I mean... the free market doesn't even rule out redistribution (of course, that occurs before the free trade step... but it's right there in the intro to any micro econ course). Plenty of fucking problems with the MARKET... but econs know this... and everyone saying 'well real life isn't like the free market'... fine... WE KNOW THAT! That's no reason to be against the FREE market... We know the MARKET sucks... so fix it to be more like the FREE market... don't whine about the FREE market... that's contradictory! The MARKET is the problem, and the FREE market is the solution. EXCEPT... that american media portrays the FREE market as being the MARKET (no regulations... no fixes... let everyone do whatever the fuck they want)... I mean... like American media brainwashes people the think the FREE market is exactly the opposite of what it actually is. You can understand my frustration, no? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Firstly it's not to do with ripping anyone off... I'm sure you're being facetious, but I won't be... The person who buys the bread feels they are better off with bread than a dollar, the person who sells the bread feels they are better off with a dollar than they are with the bread. I did just say a whole heap of stuff on the difference between the FREE market and the MARKET didn't I? Anyway, despite all the good things about Tesla, he broke the rules of the free market... He LIED about the purpose of the Wardenclyffe Tower... Maybe he deserved to fail? I don't see how shitty tastes matters... that hard workers struggle while people reporting on kim k make loads of money... that's what people apparently want... the free market doesn't really guarantee that money goes to GOOD and WORTHY things... it simply says everyone is BETTER off for having participated, and no one is WORSE off. Irrational (your version, not the economic version)... doesn't matter either... Again... it says nothing about the money going to worthy causes or improving other people's lives... I mean... we can force you I suppose... the point is that you do with your money as you feel you want to... and again, everyone will be better off without anyone being worse off... sure, some people could be even better off... but we'd have to force you how to use your money... you individually could be a lot worse off... also it requires central planners to guess other people's utility... that gets tricky. Maybe we can legislate knowing when you're going to die to make those decisions easier for you? I mean, we can make SURE you die on a given date... is that what you're looking for? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But that's exactly what it is and does... It IS a grand ideal to follow in which everybody wins WHEN the CONSTRAINTS of the FREE market are SATISFIED. Of course, you have to understand those constraints, and it seems very few do. So, an analogy, the market is Somalian war lords killing each other over the spoils of a plundered ship... NOT FREE MARKET... NOT GOOD... The free market is a guy with a blueberry pie who prefers raspberry pie voluntarily agreeing to swap with a guy who has a raspberry pie and prefers blueberry... I mean... WHO COULD BE AGAINST THAT? Who would want to get in the way of that trade? How could interfering possibly bring about a better situation for anyone? Should the government decide who gets raspberry and who gets blueberry and you eat what you have or else? Knowing the government (which can only estimate, usually poorly, other people's utility) would actually force spam, brussel spout and gristle pie on everyone instead... So who is harmed by them swapping their pies? How can that possibly be a problem? The only problem I can possibly think of is the guy with no pie watching these two rich pie eating motherfuckers laughing at how much happier they are that they swapped their pies... of course, he had no pie anyway, and isn't actually any worse off at all for the all the free market pie trading taking place... he's just a jealous (if hungry) fuck... is it the pie guys' faults for him bringing (literally) nothing to the table? So, the only thing that could possibly be better than free market trading is the government stepping in and saying... oi, you two... we're having a bit of each of your pies and giving it to the third guy... and then letting them go on free market trading... for all we know, the third guy might have a preference for one or the other of the pies and decide to enter the market and trade the ones he was given for the one he'd prefer and again everyone wins. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fungibility... The other reason to use dollars is that every dollar is equal to every other dollar... You're hour of leisure time is worth a different thing to my hour of leisure time... it's almost impossible to compare... some potatoes are bigger than others... some have better texture or taste... but every dollar is a dollar is a dollar... so we use that as A unit to measure utility economically because everyone can agree on what a dollar is... it's a fucking dollar... but if all the dollars went away tomorrow, all the proofs and outcomes of neoclassical marginalist micro-economics would still continue to hold exactly as they did before. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 FUCK... this was for trane's comment $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... it's a set of rules that maximise the outcomes of trades. It's certainly not a force of nature... In nature, people will kill and harm each other for personal gain... we have to enforce rules against people's natural instincts to enable its existence. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... there's quite a few good reasons to nationalise... Some things are natural monopolies... I mean, you can't have 100,000 different companies running pipes to your house and let you chose each time you turn the tap on who you're going to get your water from... monopolies are not a free market, and there are ways to deal with that... but one way is just nationalise it... most of the things you mentioned fall into this category (wired telecoms probably yes, wireless to a lesser extent... maybe not buses). Another good reason is to provide basics of survival or necessity, or things that are in the national interest... again, you could argue all the things you mentioned on this basis too. Buses are interesting because they aren't really a natural monopoly... but they are a public service that enables greater efficiency in the rest of the market... although they'd never compete on routes or comfort or price or anything like that either (not to get you in and around the city - some long haul bus transport is different)... So, if you want reliable transport to and from a city and a reasonable price, yeah... nationalisation would probably be the better option here too... I don't think this explanation is quite right... I'd have to think about it more... but I think it's kind of a tragedy of the commons problem. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well.. it's not just a matter of 'core' services.. It's more to do with problems like natural monopolies, tragedy of the commons and positive and negative externalities that are deviations from the free market... these need to be corrected to minimise so called Dead Weight Losses... For example... anything that creates a negative externality (pollution is a good example) will be overproduced... in other words, we will produce more of the things that in production create pollution than we would if the cost of that pollution was factored into the cost of production... these need to be corrected to bring about results similar to the free market... so we really should tax anything that produces pollution or generates other negative externalities. On the other hand, positive externalities are underproduced by the free market relative to what would be produced if the gains from those positive externalities could be privatised... and so they should be subsidised... For example... education benefits more than just the person receiving the education, because an educated person benefits other members of society in other ways... so education can either be subsidised or just provided directly by the government... similar arguments exist for health care, for example... Busses might actually be a positive externality (businesses benefit from having workers get to work in an affordable, timely manner). There's a whole heap of things that naturally deviate from a free market, and need to be corrected... and really the free market is just the starting point to analyse these problems... and this really is really where economists make their arguments on what and why things should be subsidised, taxed, nationalised, etc... Farming subsidies are another example... Overproduction of food isn't really a huge problem for a country... sure, it costs a little extra... and that cost means we go without something else, maybe people could afford slightly bigger televisions if we didn't... but it's a huge security issue for a country that can't produce enough food for it's people... so, we subsidise farming, and deliberately over produce food... unfortunately, in order to keep the price of food high, we can't sell it on the market (otherwise the subsidy would simply be absorbed by lowering the price of the food, and production would drop to free market levels)... so we have to either dump it on someone else, or destroy it... hence why we deliberately subsidise, over produce, and destroy food. So... the point is, the free market is the ideal... in reality, we have externalities, monopolies, monopolistic competition, incomplete information, common or public goods, etc... and we use the free market model to base our decisions on when we have to interfere or regulate the market and minimise the deviation or Dead Weight Losses... and there are plenty of examples of this... and many different remedies depending on the situation. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How else are you going to fund it? It's not something that can be supplied by the free market... again, it's a tragedy of the commons... no one wants other people to starve, it's ugly, but individuals maximising their own utility won't pay for that themselves, even though it's the outcome they want, they'll expect other people to do it... the only way is to correct for that is to pay for it through taxes. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... well... the free market only works for private goods that generate no externalities, only affect those who are voluntarily involved in a transaction where they have full knowledge of what they are getting out of the transaction... everything else causes dead weight losses and needs to be corrected for. None of this is controversial amongst economists... it's just politicians and self interested greedy businessmen (the type who like to own monopolies and create pollution) get in the way.. even to the point where most people think free market means a free for all rather than freely entered into. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... cause it's a tragedy of the commons $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Because it's a tragedy of the commons... And that not having starving people is a positive externality... Ie, not just the person who is starving, and the person who decides to provide charity benefit from it (everyone who doesn't want to see people starve benefit from the transaction)... Positive externalities are always under produced by the market... and require subsidies to bring about the free market equilibrium. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sorry... how are they worse off when it's taken to extremes? Like in either of your examples. I can't help but think negative externalities are somehow involved. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... the free market doesn't rely on people being able to leverage the market at all... They just wouldn't accept a trade if it wasn't in their interest to do so... Of course, some will be able to exploit trades better than others, but everyone would be better off. I don't think you can have a free market without social and civil freedom either... the two kind of go hand in hand. I think we see that in China, where increased economic freedom is slowing increasing social and civil freedoms too. Also, a lot of my argument is based on the idea that the free market is the ideal, but that the market is generally not a free market. I'm not arguing for Laissez-faire economics, but rather the identification of positive and negative externalities and the implementation of taxes and subsidies to correct for them (education is an obvious positive externality that should be subsidised, for example)... The recognition of monopolies and cartels and to correct for them... Regulations on honest marketing and correct labelling... The free market isn't a free for all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No it doesn't require capital It just requires something to trade... Your labour is one example. Now, I do agree that that would leave some people starving, so I also advocate a safety net... some form of welfare is required for practical reasons... but beyond that, as long as trades conform to free market constraints, they can only benefit people. This has nothing to do with being fabulously wealthy or even living comfortably... those have never been guaranteed under any system. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh yeah... that's true... free market only works for private goods. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 For sure... wealth concentrates... which is why I go on and on about a wealth tax and redistribution via basic income. That's inline though with the free market... It's well known that you can do non-distortionary redistribution and both of the welfare theories hold... wealth tax and basic income are exactly that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, I don't think it's better... I'm thinking of a very small yearly tax, on the order of 2% or so... It's continuous and can be planned for... It also encourages productive use of capital... as opposed to heirs sitting on it for generations. I see no reason that would stop people like Elon... any more than income or capital gains does. Also, having a wealth tax free threshold (on the order of a few million), would encourage wider distribution amongst relatives pre death. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You can say exactly the same about any tax... wealth, income, capital gains... That's not a good argument. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Not sure I fully understand... but most economists consider marketing and advertising to be pure dead weight losses with no economic value... maybe that's your point... the marketers and advertisers are doing practical things to line their pockets, while the economists theorise away at what an ideal world would be like? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... is exactly the product I was going to use. This is quite a recent development in micro-economic theory called monopolistic-competition. There are two main cola products on the market... coke and pepsi... now, there's nothing special about either of them... anyone can make a coke like product, there's very little in the way of barriers to entry, there's no network effects or anything else that means that they should behave like a monopoly... but there they are, two companies that basically together have a monopoly (okay, duopoly) on the production of cola drinks... and they spend massive amounts on advertising, why? It's complicated (of course, is why it took economists a bit longer to work it out)... basically, advertising has no effect on your experienced utility (what you really get out of it)... but does affect your decision utility (what you think you'll get when you chose to consume it)... advertising is all about what you think you'll get... hence it's really a form of dead weight loss. AND both companies know both how much their advertising affects your decision utility, AND they know exactly how much advertising the OTHER company will spend on advertising... This basically locks both of them into an optimal strategy of massive amounts of advertising that affect people's decision utility, give's them near monopolistic profits and generates HUGE amounts of dead weight losses in the form of advertising. The details are quite complex... and wiki as usual doesn't really cover the details properly but there's a small intro to it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolistic_competition if you like. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... if it wasn't for monopolistic competition and the advertising that goes along with it, the profit margin from all the different competing cola brands should have tended towards zero like every other normal consumer good... I mean, you don't see those kinds of profits in the potato industry... it's just fucking carbonated sugar water after all... You're lemonade example might have more to do with the adults encouraging their children than free market trade... I mean, why aren't all those homeless people out there making 25% on lemonade sales? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But that's the thing... it's the monopolistic competition that causes the barriers to entry... Anyone (well, if you got a few mill lying about or good banking connections) can start farming potatoes, tomatoes, wheat or corn... and make a decent living off it. There's nothing really complicated or expensive about making cola's... It's all to do with the advertising, which manipulates people's decision utility without affecting their experienced utility... It's truly a dead weight loss. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Right... but when you buy coke or pepsi... You aren't really buying the cola... you're buying the BRAND... and that's due to advertising. The production costs, and packaging (the container, not the printing on the side of it), and where you buy it have nothing to do with it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It all comes down to advertising shifting your decision utility (what you chose to consume) without affecting your experienced utility (what you actually get out of it). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No one HAS to have a job... I mean, you're free to go out and live in the forests and scavange berries, nuts and mushrooms and hunt squirrels or whatever... Just that people think they are (and probably actually are) better off living in society, working and participating in the market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Actually, the welfare theorems of the free market don't rely on any such thing as assuming that all people's labour is equal or anything like that. It just says, that under the conditions of the free market (no externalities, complete information, perfect competition) that free trade leads to everyone being better off that they would be without it, without anyone being worse off. That's it really. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes... we tax wealth and pay a basic income with it. Wealth tax is non-distortionary and because we apply it before the free trade steps (in the model that is, although iterating is still fine, so in real life we do it continuously)... The welfare theorems STILL HOLD! The FREE market is STILL the solution. In fact more so... the AI and robots should be market driven, so they bring about the things we want... the things we spend money on... the money we get from basic income, that we got from the people who own the robots! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's called capital flight. A wealth tax is a tax on people... Based directly on how much world wide wealth they have... They can avoid it by giving up their US citizenships and moving where they like. We also have a one off renouncing citizenship tax... 100% of what we can get our hands on (or something like that). You think Bill Gates is going to renounce his citizenship and move to China? Hah! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... well a wealth tax would aim to work around these kind of dodgy practices... If the charity is under someone's control, it would be counted as wealth, and they could lose it. The idea is that everyone self reports their wealth... and pays tax on that reported amount... Anyone who can raise the funds could buy a person out for that amount plus some administration overhead. There's an incentive to report accurately, and especially not to under-report. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm not sure who that is or why she's relevant... or if you're confusing the Free Market with laissez faire economics. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, Beauty CAN be anywhere... but you'll most likely find her on a corner somewhere, strung out on meth, looking for the next cock to suck to get her next hit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Not quite: > First, you'd need a ton of bandwidth and computing power, because you'd be generating millions or billions of "new coin" transactions per block in addition to any actual financial transactions. No you don't... you can do this at the point of spending... when a person spends coins from their personal address... at that point a calculation can be done to work out how much they should have in UBICoin and credit their account. > B) that each person was unique. Yep... this is pretty key. > For uniqueness, you'd need some sort of biometric hash, but obviously it raises serious privacy issues since the hash would be recorded in the block chain and you'd be able to track not only everything issued to a person but also every transaction that person engaged in if you could match the hash to their "real-world" identity. Yeah... you need a biometric hash tied to a real world identity tied to an address that gets credited in the blockchain... However, the UBI from that address can be sent to another, anonymous address (we can make it provably anonymous)... and then this privacy concern disappears. I wrote down my thoughts on this earlier, in case you missed it: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2014/4/10/144743/503 > Like I said, it seems possible theoretically. Just a bitch to implement. YEP! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 From 1000BTC for a $1 to $200 for 1 BTC is considered losing value to you? No wonder you're poor. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It wasn't significantly easier to mine at that point... I already had my two 5GH/s miners back then. Of course price isn't tied directly to mining difficulty... Price is determined by SUPPLY and DEMAND... Bitcoin became fashionable for a moment, the price went up, it became fashionable because of that, the price went up... etc... Also, there were fun and games going on at MtGox which distorted the price. So, it did bubble a bit, and then pop... like it has done several times before... and will likely do again. I don't think in US dollars... and I do care specifically about the amount of BTC I hold irrespective of the price (to a point... I would probably sell my last BTC for $1M today)... in general I want to hold a certain fraction of the network. Just like I explained about utility not being MEASURED in dollars... dollars is just an easy way to COMMUNICATE in, cause everyone is familiar with it. Of course, a dollar isn't the same as a dollar... 1920s dollars and 2010 dollars are worth different amounts and could buy you different things. The same with BTC... You just THINK the dollar is static... but it really isn't... it's subject to the same laws of SUPPLY and DEMAND. For me, BTC price is relative to AUD, GBP, EUR, GOLD... and I work in all these units too. I only USD because that's all you're familiar with... to me, it's actually a useless figure. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... it's never disconnected from supply and demand. You're just failing to count in who supplies and who demands... Politics affects supply and demand, which then affects the price. It can't affect the price without affecting supply and demand... because price is set only by the trades done. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... MDC is right here... The person who has the thing and is willing to sell it for a price is the supplier... they set the SUPPLY. The person who wants a thing and is willing to buy it for a price is demanding it... they set the DEMAND. The price is where those two people make a trade... the price can never be anything BUT SUPPLY and DEMAND... Even in your example... it's just those with the asset agreeing to lower supply... again... if you'd done the course you wouldn't sound so stupid... you might even be able to explain how your theories DIFFER from the mainstream... but you don't even know the mainstream and so you just sound like an idiot. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Some people are thinking about it... http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoUBI ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 > Note this has nothing to do with accepting procrasti's offer of a dollar; Damn dude... it's not about the money... $1 is nothing, and you know that... it's not 'help you out'... at least not financially. It's so you can see how it operates... nothing like hands on to get a feeling for the inner workings. It's to answer all your stupid questions... all these things that make you go hmmm... will be like... oh yeah... there's my coin, there's an address... let's send it there, let's send it here... oh, now I understand. Is it a personal thing? Cause you dislike me? Maybe localroger, blaster, tdillo, mumble, bv and whoever else might be willing to chip in 5c each... Not for the money, but to see it in action. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Then why don't you download a wallet and paste a bitcoin address? Just so you can get a feel for how it works. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 In the time it took you to write that you could have clicked on http://electrum.org/download.html and completed this little task already. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I do understand that... but you can clear some headspace by clicking a link and installing a package and be done with it. Procrastination (I'm the king) leads to headspace clutter... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Or like, posting on K5... that's where the real work gets done. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Have you read: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2014/4/10/144743/503 ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm sorry that people won't be getting a basic income while they spend their lives drinking beer and watching American Idol... Not really much I can do about it. These things will never come for free. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You idiot... you're redefining FREE market... You can't have free market where people end up doing things like slavery, lying, deception, bribery, etc... BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A FREE MARKET. A free market is a market system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between sellers and consumers, Please explain how a slave can FREELY set the price of his labour? Guess what... if you do any of those things, its no longer a FREE market... You're arguing against a definition YOU MADE UP YOURSELF! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The FREE market has a VERY CLEAR DEFINITION No coercion, no externalities, full knowledge of what you are getting in the trade, everyone competing on price. So, slaving, deception, lying, etc... are impossible in a FREE market by DEFINITION! I mean fine, blame american corporatist market or whoever or whatever the fuck you like... but you can't blame the free market because the free market is exactly NOT those things by DEFINITION. It's like redefining clean drinking water as sewage and telling everyone that drinking clean drinking water will kill you because its full of shit! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Bitcoins are psuedonomynous You only really have addresses to go by... and it seems the thieves have sent them to a mixer... which will make them practically anonymous. So yeah, without other forensic evidence, I'd say the robbers have gotten away with it. It will depend, of course, on the security measures that exco.in took... I mean, if the private key was locked in a safe and only one employee had access to it, then that might be pretty damning evidence. Maybe they got IP logs? I don't know. But I wouldn't hold up much hope of them getting their coins back. OTOH... hackers apparently have recently run off with $1B from banks... kind of puts things in perspective. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... this is generally good advice... I'm still surprised though how many companies manage to lose their bitcoins to hackers... You'd think they'd have learnt by now... oh well... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I wouldn't use the official bitcoin app if I were you... It's a full bitcoin node and will have to download 13G of blockchain (or wherever it's at now). Use an SPV client, like electrum... it's just as secure, but you don't have to do full node processing. Good to hear you still have your coins... and you're learning too... once you get an electrum wallet you should transfer some of your bits there just to see that you actually control those and not some third party. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 29G now $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Right. It's just going to get bigger and bigger... Especially as we get more and more transactions, and also when they eventually remove the 1MB block limit... it's just going to keep on growing even faster. In some sense, it's not all that much, 29GB fits easily on a thumb drive now... so that's not too much of a problem. If you're running a full node or are mining, it's no problem at all really. The theory is that hard drive space will continue to outpace blockchain growth. There is provision for transaction pruning... removing transactions that can longer be spent... And that should reduce the size quite considerably... BUT there are some clever uses of unspendable transactions that are going to have problems with this. (You can do some tricks so that bitcoins are redeamable from addresses that aren't linked to the address you advertise... so no one can prove you received a payment... it's complicated but relies on the fact that you can do a transformation of a public address, and the same transformation on the private key will give you a new private/public key pair... but you have to publish the transform hash somehow and that goes in the blockchain as an unspendable transaction... it's complicated... but interesting). So... yeah... there will be some pruning, and that's always been in the pipeline... but it will mess some non-standard use cases up. Also, in a sense, it's kind of like a fitness test for full nodes... they have to be stable enough to at least download the blockchain... I dunno... just a thought. There are problems with mining consolidation, which is related... the bitcoin network relies on no one having more than 50% of the hashing power... but if hashing power is a natural monopoly, the whole thing could fall apart... No one really knows the long term answer to this... everyone just keeps their fingers crossed that we'll never see the day. I also wonder if anyone will ever implement sharding... so that nodes can store a partial blockchain, and distribute the work between them... Just another thought of mine... I don't think we'll see that any time soon. So, the long term answer is that most people simply do not need the blockchain... SPV clients, like the ones I have mentioned, do not keep a local copy of the blockchain, however, they are as secure as a full bitcoin node. So, how much of a problem a large blockchain turns out to be is yet to be seen... So far, 29G is just really not a serious problem at all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I bet blaster's sitting there waiting for the download to finish, and can't get on to K5 in the meantime. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You simply don't need it... You don't need the full client, cause you aren't going to be mining... you just want to be able to use it, and SPV clients, like the one I mentioned, should be enough. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Actually... the latest bitcoin core 0.10.0 is just as quick as bittorrent... It downloads the headers first (they're small, like 13M or so)... then it requires the different blocks from different servers, rather than downloading them one at a time from only one server... so it works very similarly to bittorrent and is much faster than it was before... taking a mere 8 hours or so on a high speed connection. It's 29G after all!! I really don't recommend the full client for your use. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sent Comment deserved more than a 3. http://blockchain.info/address/1JrN9C9bMvzT8FTUjxBoUYQoLTRrsQqFzi ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Simple... it's all bribes... Gift is just a euphemism for a small, technically legal bribe. Like the way you 'tip' a call girl... You're not paying her to stick it up her ass... that would be illegal, no, you're just giving her a tip cause you enjoy her company, and then she suddenly remembers how much she enjoys anal. Just the tip. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dunno... they didn't enough? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 didn't TIP enough... dammit $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... you're miles off Of course if you trace back any random bitcoin address you're going to get to a genesis block... and more than likely an older one than a newer one. No, I bought most of my bitcoin last year... when it was expensive... I bought it with the profit from the sale of my payday loans company... I was just there happily creating wealth out of thin air by charging poor people 6000% pa, when someone made an offer to buy the free money from air business from me. Tough choice, but I sold. Of course, bitcoin came crashing down and now I'm more broke than ever. (A change in the taxation law forced me to stop trading too... so I haven't been able to bring my cost basis price down either!). So, I don't have money for drugs and hookers, which is why I've had to work out how to get hookers to give me free sex and drugs... I can't afford a blowjob from a $2 whore... true story. So, my respect for economics comes from the idea that you are better off accepting the short term pain of a difficult truth than the long term damage caused by believing sweet lies. I mean, it's not that hard to understand the concepts and outcomes of the free market (the actual free market, not the jesus free market - really the unregulated market except for drugs which are forced into the black market)... you can still be pissed off about inequality... you can still be pissed off about things like environmental degredation (of course, this can't happen in a free market! for real! so you see how it's NOT a free market too)... but only first by understanding the free market. Why it is good, where it fails, what its limitations are. You just ignore it entirely... shove your fingers in your ears... sing lalalalala... and think it makes you smarter than someone who is interested in it... IRRESPECTIVE of their own personal circumstances. More than likely you are richer than me! If anything, you're way more of a tool of the capitalists than I am... a middle manager no less! The ultimate cog in the wealth extraction from the poor to the rich machine. You have no moral high ground to stand on. You just wave your ignorance in the air like a banner. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Not a genesis block... a coinbase transaction $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The Australian Tax Office (ATO) has ruled that bitcoins are subject to our GST (17.5%) Goods and Services Tax... which is just a regular sales tax. I don't see how I can trade bitcoin in australia, with australian bank accounts, or in person in australia, without that ruling affecting me... foreign companies or otherwise. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It was a UK company... and was UK wide... no brick and mortar, only a website. Yes, there are stupid AML laws in Aus and in the UK. > That is directly stealing from desperate poor people with no choice. There are some news laws coming in the US that will put the brakes on the violent raping that's going on in the check cashing business Let's analyse that... So, your solution would be to shut that kind of business down? And you're the kind of idiot that thinks that would make things BETTER? Because you simply do NOT understand the free market. Let's face it, if these people were low risk, and could get loans elsewhere THEY WOULD... So, they're going to these businesses because they can't get HELP anywhere else. The business HAS to charge those kind of interest rates to even have a HOPE of making a profit... otherwise they go bankrupt with the 30% default rate... also... they are SHORT TERM LOANS... so the interest rate is DECEPTIVE compared to long term mortgages. The problem is, not knowing the free market, you think you can increase people's freedoms by REDUCING their options... Do you not see how retarded that is? You cut these people off from credit... (EVEN BY REDUCING COMPETITION!)... you force them to go elsewhere... loan sharks, gangs, mafioso styles... They don't send a bailif around with a court order, those fucks cut your god damn fingers off or picaso up your face. Nothing would be better than MORE payday loans companies... more competition decreases the price (in this case, the price of money is the interest rates.) People like you are the fucking problem... not the solution. You know why I started that particular business? Because everyone was screaming about how much interest they charge, how easy it is to make money? REALLY MOTHERFUCKER? If so, then why the fuck aren't YOU doing it? You have NO FUCKING IDEA how hard it is to get all the paperwork and regristrations and licenses in order... You have no idea how hard it is to make sure your customers are both legit, capable and LIKELY to pay your loan back... Everyone is happy to TAKE money, far less are happy to pay it back. If it is such a PREDATORY business as you suggest... just fucking try running one --- even at break even! I bet you'd fail, throw up your hands and cry "it's too hard mommy!"... Or you're going to give me a pissweak excuse how you would never get involved in such an evil business... well fuck you.. people want money, and you shit on those who oblige, standing on the sidelines giving your sage advice but never doing anything yourself... fucking wanker. > There is no such thing as a free market It's the ideal to strive for... the deviation FROM the free market causes DEAD WEIGHT LOSSES... The role of government should be to identify these deviations and to correct for them. > nor should there be. Seriously... you're a complete fuckhead... you don't know what the free market is... but GODDAMN IT IF I'M NOT AGAINST IT! > Small business owners like yourself think they're part of the same game as huge corporations Retarded bullshit adhominen... try harder failfag. > I am the bridge between the machine and the people You're a greedy little officious fuck who likes to tell people what to do and get's a hard on when he fires the lazy and the incompetent. You're no white knight in shining armour... your a piece of the machine and you're just happy to get that big easy paycheck to take home to your fat and ugly wife and kids... Your hands have more blood on them than mine ever will faggit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Shut up trane... your full of shit and retarded... your economic ideas are based on the idea that real world goods and services are infinite... so you fail at the first step. Seriously, get back to your thermodynamic breaking magnifying glass and crack bowl... you got nothing to offer here. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I said STFU fail faggit No... scarcity is real... the world is finite. I don't ignore the 30% food overproduction... that is by ECONOMIC DESIGN! You're too stupid to understand that, so I won't even bother explaining it. > And markets actively work to subvert knowledge PEOPLE subvert knowledge... the FREE MARKET REQUIRES FULL INFORMATION! Otherwise it's just the REGULAR FUCKING MARKET. NOW FUCK OFF YOU UNEDUCATED WILFULLY IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I didn't read past the first fucking line... The FREE market REQUIRES FULL KNOWLEDGE. That's it... you can rail against american capitalism all you want... but that's not the free market and you're a retarded faggit. You don't even know what your arguing about because you didn't do the course. NOW GO FUCK OFF AND DIE CUNTFACE. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... I'm not going to read it... Like you didn't bother doing the course... FUCK OFF AND DIE ALREADY ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I can't argue with you, because you are wilfully ignorant... You have decided not to do the course, and therefore your comments are nonsensical. > Example: Monsanto fights tooth and nail against labeling GMO foods. Why? Because the market wants to hold back knowledge. This is because Monsanto doesn't want to operate in a FREE fucking market! Because you are wilfully ignorant, you can't tell the FREE market from what regularly happens in the American corporatists market. Someone like Monsanto does something CLEARLY ANTI-FREE market... and you, being a retarded idiot, blame the FREE market, rather than seeing how this goes against the principles of the FUCKING FREE market. Your ignorance is entirely your responsibility, and I owe you nothing fuckhead. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Forgot to add: You're job is basically to extract the maximum productivity from your underlings and the minimum cost to your employer... And the sad thing is, you're not even doing it for your own benefit but for some even wealthier fuckwits and stockholders. You're equivalent to the slave promoted to slave driver... whip in hand... work harder or taste my whip. You're such a role model of financial freedom, you fucking sicken me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 He's about as ignorant as you when it comes to what the free market actually is... he's gotten all his knowledge about it from television probably, not from actual books or courses on the subject... same as you... I may as well be arguing with preschoolers the knowledge of both you is so limited. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 People got no idea... It's so easy to look at a business and complain about it... "OMG, that's so unfair, how can they charge so much, etc, etc..."... but there's clearly demand, and if you're not doing it yourself, you probably do not understand what's actually involved. It's exactly the type of thing people get riled up about, because they see these terrible interest rates... and some idiots even think it's money for nothing. I started it after conversations with trane here about 'money from thin air'... basically proving some money creation theories... it's truly hard fucking work. At the time I wanted to put a link on the page to some debt counselling service... but my reading of the legislation suggested this was illegal... The law changed, and this now compulsory. I followed the principles of the free market, no hidden fees or charges... everything straight up as you could possibly get. The late fees were a killer... 1% per day... which is 6k% pa, but that gives you a lot of wiggle room for debt forgiveness. I even used it in my adverts... the front page had a giant 6000% per year loans written on it. It's not like you could claim you didn't realise the costs involved in getting a loan from me. I got more requests for loans than I could service. It's more of the threat of it than actually charging it... After all, a regulated business can't take away your kneecaps... but I could easily say "pay me $200 for your late loan and I'll forget the $1000 you owe". Except for the accountants and the banks, everyone was on about how there will be legislation to limit the interest rates of these types of loans... so stupid... what? People can't compare different interest rates and make their own choices? I'd like to see some rational non-adhominen argument for this type of thinking... but you see none supplied by greengrass et al. They can't get it through their head that you can't increase people's freedoms by limiting their options. Not to mention it can actually be cheaper to get a payday loan than to exceed your banks overdraft! If you put a limit on the interest rate... there simply won't be companies willing to loan these people money... they'll either go thieving or will borrow money from unregulated criminals. Is it too much to ask that people stop whining and actually try to say, I dunno, COMPETE in the market place? Offer lower interest rate loans if you think the charges are excessive? No, they'd rather cry to the government and limit people... and I'm the bad guy. Anyway, I sold the company to the Rothschild's last year... been playing with bitcoin since... will still need a job pretty soon. Yeah... Student Loans are pretty crazy... The government pays for your tuition in Aus... You pay it back as a small increase to your taxes after you earn a certain amount, and it's indexed at the CPI. I think it's a good system. Also, no, I wasn't giving out credit cards or loans to kids or the very young. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Perfect example People complaining about a business they literally wouldn't be willing to do themselves. It's as simple as making low interest payday loans to people, but you won't do it. Funny that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you can't scrape $100 together to loan out with interest, then I truly feel sorry for you. Otherwise I think you found the reason why these places have to charge such high interest rates: > most of them didn't pay me back. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I forgot about your incredible expensive medical costs... student loans and medical costs... two things the US should keep working on. Still... almost anyone can scrape together $100. Yeah, promissory notes are the first step. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's easy to reconcile... It's not created out of nothing, it's created out of... hey... do you have enough crack addled memory left to complete this sentence? Or am I just repeating myself over and over again to a slug brained moron? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... that wasn't the answer I was looking for... must be crack addled memory loss then. I mean, on one hand, you're close... you talk about mortgage debt... but then you go on about money creation... like it's being created out of thin air! Less crack, more study boy! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That was awful... Desperately plugging his book... Won't someone please give LD a job on a support desk helping people empty their trash icons so he can feel all smug and superior again? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What the fuck are you talking about? There is no such thing as money, it's a ticketing system, handed out by the government to rich bankers. The market is a lie... there is only crack and oggfrog! The only market is the stock market run by the NWO. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Here I was thinking it was his bad book reviews. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Old Kurons never leave They just take extended hikes away from keyboard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Procrasti's $10 Bitcoin Give Away Okay, so you don't understand bitcoin, what it is, or how it works? Well here's your FREE chance to get your hands on some. I'll be giving away up to $10 worth of bitcoin, or about 30000 bits*, in 10 lots of 3000 bits... approximately $1. All you have to do is be the one of the first ten to post a bitcoin address. For some of you, this may be the most valuable post you will ever make. *: 1 million bits in a bitcoin. If you don't know how to create a bitcoin address... simply get yourself a wallet... I recommend electrum for desktops, mycelium for android and toast wallet for iphone. These are all SPV clients and do not require you to download the entire blockchain. You have nothing to lose... it costs you nothing, so even if you lose it all on hookers, drugs or gambling, you haven't lost anything at all! Not really in the spirit of my post now is it? I'll tell you what... You post your own bitcoin address... then you can donate it to https:/archive.org yourself... and everyone will be able to see you do that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I got to say, the vanity address made it pretty obvious. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sent http://blockchain.info/address/1NY2XrXw62iQNSBD8dnqEEfYNVa8zNiMkw ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I sell on localbitcoins... Well... I used to... Australia (The ATO) has bought in this crazy GST law that means you basically have to pay a sales tax on bitcoin sales... I just don't see it as workable... Presumably means I'd have to get GST receipts on bitcoins I purchase to claim off the GST I would owe on bitcoins I sell... that greatly limits who I can buy bitcoin from... I also think it's a double taxation nightmare (I pay GST on the bitcoin, then I pay GST on the coffee I buy with that bitcion... can the coffee merchant claim the GST incurred on the bitcoin without the customer having to be GST registered and providing a receipt... what a fucking joke). I think it's a bad ruling, hopefully it gets overturned, but in the meantime I've stopped trading... It's too much hassle and too risky until I get some advice on how it affects me. BUT... localbitcoins is still a pretty good place to get them... just deal with people who have good ratings, look for red flags (you're account there will have a literal red flag that it's a new account, also be careful of TOR users and stuff...) In general... it's a lot easier to buy than to sell... You provide screen shots of your bank transfer and localbitcions run an escrow service and have been pretty good in my experience... Be extra careful with cash transactions... start with small amounts... be careful who you deal with... don't meet in dark alleyways at 3am for your transfers... you know... common sense. Also... mycelium for android has local trader built in... find someone local selling and do a deal with them. You can also buy them from coinjar in Australia... maybe look around, there are other places. Yeah... I expect this $10 investment will probably pay off more than $10 in the long run... but I'm not expecting a huge effect... just sharing some tech people here may be interested in. Bitcoin benefits from the network effect... so the more people using it, the more valuable it becomes. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... heaps of places... I don't accept VISA personally... I don't have a payment gateway that accepts VISA... I would normally send you my bank account details and have you pay with EFT. Check out coinjar.com, they probably accept VISA payments... also (but I haven't used them) coinloft.com.au, though at first look you might have to go to a bank. There are probably other places... I mean, you could look around and report back here I suppose? I dunno... there may be a problem that VISA might not allow payment processing for a bitcoin company... They are a direct competitor after all... and VISAs ability to act as a gatekeeper of financial transactions is one of the things bitcoin attacks. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... that would require I send you my real name and stuff... (not technically, but it's how I do it, so I got clean records and shit)... also, see point about me not currently trading. Anyway... seriously, get onto localbitcoins, there are plenty of highly rated sellers who will accept EFTs from whichever bank you are with and will release your coins in short order... I'm sure. Just make sure it's an escrowed deal... you can't go that wrong. If you're really unsure about dealing with randoms... coinjar... but there'll be a day or three delay until they can credit your account. Please report back how it goes. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I know you gave me your name, honey... And I do like you, I really do... It's just that I'm not ready for that kind of commitment just yet. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... it's called know your customer (KYC) laws and they come into effect any time you hold fiat accounts on behalf of other people. You can always anonymise your bitcoins later. Cool... let me know how it goes. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Interesting... You can still try coinjar and localbitcoins. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sent http://blockchain.info/address/1MfbXZAPX5swPv5isU4qSspKgeiWgJdV6v ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I trust that's a joke... If that is your passphrase then you just gave everyone access to your bitcoins... I mean... if I had an iphone. LOL... It is breadwallet... I always call it toastwallet for some reason... oh well. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh sorry... that's your passphrase to your encrypted wallet... then that's okay unless a kuron steals your phone... I was thinking it was the passphrase to your wallet secret key seeds... but that's normally randomly generated... that's more important and lets you regenerate your wallet elsewhere. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why would anyone buy doge coins? When they've been falling in price relative to bitcoin forever since a few months past their creation? Though doge coins are kind of meant to be cheap and jokey... to encourage spending and tipping and such... but I've never held any. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... this is their primary use case actually... The incredible inflation built into them is all about keeping their value low so that people send them about more easily... they are the monopoly money of cryptocurrencies... Of course, if you have to do very little to get a thing, it won't have much value to you, so this is also reflected in the price. I mean, it's really quite good in helping new users learn a little about crytocurrencies with little investment or cost. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fair enough... but unless you want to generate your own private key by hand and do the calculations required to produce a public address... I have no where to send bitcoins to you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Come on people $8 left to give away here! $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I always thought the Chinese were good at following protocols... But here you are, proving my stereotypes wrong again. Next thing you'll start writing parseable sentences and then how am I going to maintain my world view? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... I understand bitcoin's had some problems in China... Government regulations clamping down on it (though not outright illegal). And yeah... it makes capital controls much harder for governments to enforce... capital flight becomes more likely. Consider that with bitcoin, you could smuggle a billion dollars across a border, carrying nothing but a memorized 12 word wallet seed... and it would be near impossible to prove or trace. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sent: http://blockchain.info/address/1GSioGNLXGWfx2461xvJ5xhdATGyAEjWNg ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course you don't understand... You've decided to not even give it a go... and I couldn't have made it any fucking easier. > but if I counterfeit US currency men with guns will come after me. If you can counterfeit bitcoin, you'll have made quite some leaps in cryptographic mathematics. So not sure how that's irrelevant. > All I can see is that bitcoin is money because everyone agrees that it is money. That's pretty much how money works dude... Same when people use shells... prison cigarettes and cans of sardines have served similar purposes... though they are useful in their own right too (even shells can be used for pretty jewellery). Bitcoin just implements the functions required for it be money (though there are other creative uses out there). > Why would 7-11 be motivated to accept my bitcoin? Because people will be willing to spend it, and it's not hard to accept it... of course today many merchants do not accept it... Your local 7/11 may not... but there are bars that do! It's what we call adoption... it takes time. In the meantime, you could find someone on mycelium localtrader, they might give you a dollar for your bits and you can spend that on a coke. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I mean... right this minute, you could download a wallet... copy and paste a bitcoin address... and have real bitcoin to play with. Understanding the base use case will go a long way towards you understanding the technology behind it. I can't see why you are passing up this opportunity... it can only help you understand what you have to do for your codemental project. Is there a conflict of interest here? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I mean ACTUALLY GIVE IT A GO! Like, send me a fucking bitcoin address already... I'm not asking you to analyse the soundness of elliptical curve cryptography, its relation to the riemann zeta function or if and how anyone will ever solve the prime number distribution problem... I'm just asking you to get a small piece of software that enables you to create a bitcoin address. Is it laziness holding you back? Analysis paralysis? You scared you might lose something you're getting for free? What's the hold up here? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sent http://blockchain.info/address/1JrN9C9bMvzT8FTUjxBoUYQoLTRrsQqFzi Six more to go. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're welcome... It's pretty smooth and painless when you're used to visa et al. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If MDC ever gets around to posting an address Everyone could pool their bitcoins and afford him some dairy creamer... or maybe cover the expense of his next legal representation? We could fund a trhurler hike for trane. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Teh fuck you doing posting GUIDs? Are you a Windows programmer? You trying to get bitcoin for your disk partition? Get out of here. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sent http://blockchain.info/address/18EAcPATJ7qTggygB3ugkFeU6hDraSqbuQ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 5 More Give Aways Available... That should just about cover everyone on K5... Though I think the two people who could gain the most from it won't bother... one cause he's too busy considering the philosophical implications of exchanging seashell for hot pussy, the other cause he doesn't want to get sucked into the seductive and lavish lifestyles of the rich and famous... or something. Anyway... I'm gonna get some sleep... So you'll have to wait for me... Though, like my hooker friends, it's first cum first served. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sent http://blockchain.info/address/1NwzqdGZ2mkYxGaBSva5mURTjx4siYfXaj I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that no one has paid you to take your songs off the internet: http://blastar.in/orion/sings/ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, what was the deal with that bitcoin tx? I see 0.1 bitcoins moved from your address and others to 1HotSWAPvmFXeUHKxq5tqQCswdTxaRzxvY... Is this yours too? Are you using an online wallet, exchange or something similar? I checked everyone else's addresses, and no one's moved them about yet, except for you. Interesting, nonetheless. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What are you using as a wallet? How would someone else get hold of them? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Like I said, if it's on a website, you probably still have them... The fact that you can't remember the website though is going to be a bit of a problem. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Mumble explains how to back up your private keys in another comment... It's pretty easy with electrum... there's like a 12 word key you record and you can recreate your wallet anywhere... just don't let it get into the wrong hands or lose it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 30000^12 is (3x10^4)^12 is (3^12)x10^48 is already more than the number of atoms in the known universe... I don't think you have too much to worry about. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's already stuffed full of cash What're you bein greedy for? I might send you some (I got 4 left)... but let me know what this account is for, how you use bitcoin, and also promise to maybe tip the occasional quality comment on here with a few cents. Also, cause you are familiar with bitcoin, prove you own the address by signing something along the lines of "I am localroger, and this is my bitcoin address". ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh cool... sounds good... What wallet do you use? Do you know how to sign a message with your bitcoin address? Demonstrate to the nice folks here and I'll tip you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Posting it on your blog doesn't prove ownership You have to sign a message: http://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_signAndVerifyMessage.html ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Verified and Sent http://brainwallet.github.io/#verify Message verified to be from 1NKLnnHMAkLZQRA1JXQf9PWgakNCUXixN2 -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cool, I didn't realize it could do this. -----BEGIN SIGNATURE----- 1NKLnnHMAkLZQRA1JXQf9PWgakNCUXixN2 HyPPcxQObn9ksWm8s0fuz+n5/5z+dQUU9g4o9Wy7elUjAlWF+/QTges8A3TybEr8CRxktKKLv1XRK1DL TYXyks4= -----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- http://blockchain.info/address/1NKLnnHMAkLZQRA1JXQf9PWgakNCUXixN2 Sent you a little extra for the extra effort... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Who's a dirty little bitcoin whore? You are. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 God... I'm so far behind on the work I'm supposed to be doing... but I'll take a look at some point. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Complicated conspiracy you got there bro $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Isn't "Live your fucking life" one of mine? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Holy Shit! I'm sure I think I said something like that to MDC quite recently... now I wonder if I was subliminally programmed by that old sig? Weird. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maybe she chocked on a hula hoop? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you some bitcoin I'd be happy to send you the pics. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The Hole in 1 Percenters: Resistence is Futile But come on in, the water's fine. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I hear thermo is a troll too spread by the illuminati to try and make you do some fucking work. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Kevin O'Leary: My Kind of Economics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuqemytQ5QA So what's your fucking problem with the free market, huh? I think he's right... We're only talking about a handful of rich people. If we took everything they had and gave it to everyone else on the planet, we'd only be $250 better off... doesn't seem like that would be life changing to anyone. The problem isn't that there are rich people, the problem is that some people are so poor. You seem to think we can print $100B bills and give them to the poor and everyone can be rich... but it doesn't work like that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Say $100B/day... or say why not. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... it's because your theory doesn't work... You think bread is fundamentally different to 747s, and economically, they aren't... It's why your theory needs epicycles, oh, I mean indexation. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, last year you were campaigning for $16k today it's $25k, that's more than 50% inflation already... you have no rational basis for the amount, or understanding of what effects it has, so you have no rational explanation of why it wouldn't work at $100B/day either. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I agree... really... like you said, you are taxing holders of savings or are the creditor of loans, by decreasing their value in real terms. It doesn't really tax workers, but inflationary lag does. So, the idea is literally for the government to write cheques to people, with no expectation or promise for it to be paid back... (unlike what happens at the fed... not even a gov expense, is it?)... it's basically just pure government expenditure. At $25k/pa for the adult population of the US (roughly at 200M), that's a $5T budget expense... we expect that money to come out of nowhere? If there's no attempt at even looking like paying back the gov debt, I'm guessing that's going to lead to problems in the long run. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Just think how long it takes to update min wage laws... lol. Of course, with a UBI, you could argue against min wage laws... but... if the UBI isn't indexed (will cause crazy economy crashing effects if it is and it's too high)... It might find it's balance I suppose... but it will too lag behind inflation. I just don't think that kind of expenditure, is going to be sustainable... it has to have rational sources of funding. What's the tax at 1% of the wealth of the US top 50% or whatever spread over everybody? How much can be saved from decreases in other welfare costs? Maybe we need other taxes increased too... higher capital gains tax, more sales tax, more income taxes! Does the US gov ever plan to balance its budget or pay back its debts? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you want to inflate the problems away... Be careful on where that tax falls... Because, how much of the 1%ers wealth is tied up in dollar equivalents? I don't think it's very much, so inflation doesn't hurt them. It's not that there isn't enough money (that's never a problem anyway)... it's where the wealth comes from. One reason to have (at least the effect of having) lower capital gains tax than income taxes is for incentive to investment over labour... not sure of the pro's/con's. If you CPI the basic income... well... if it is inflationary, (as unbalanced government expenditure, you could expect it to be, right?) you've got yourself a very strong feedback loop there. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Read it a few times... pretty much agree... Does anyone have the maths to tell me how much you could print a year (and give it away, so NOT LIKE THE BANKS AT ALL TRANE!!) to create 2% (more) inflation... say. What's inflation currently running at... what will it be like when all that QE finally filters out? (I guessing that you could naively assume 2% of the current money supply, say... distributed to everyone... if no one else cares too... I'll probably try and work this out.) Expecting the gov to spend an ADDITIONAL $5T year seems pretty unlikely... that's bigger than the current budget already.... so $25k a year is right out... If you just swapped BI for social security, $875B among 200M people is $4375 a year... so, a lot of those privileged welfare queens like trane will have to take a hit to get this to work for the greater good. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 For sure... though the growth in M3 would be a reasonable first order approximation minus delay effects... So my math there is about as good as your going to get (at this level of analysis anyway). But obviously depends on so many other things... growth in the underlying economy (esp in terms of transactions) would negate that... but not sure you can have an infinite ongoing growth in a finite world? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Found the money supply... is surprisingly low... Like, i see $11.6T as the largest last number (M2 Money Supply) here: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m2 Which, at 2% is another $1160 per year per person... So, we're up to $5500 a year per person... I think that would still be a pay cut for trane... God help you if you need special care... cause we took away SS for this... How far do we want to push that inflation while we're at it... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I finally get what you mean... We index say bread at $1 a loaf, and a 747 at $350M and we get the fed to give $100B per day per person on the planet, because deficits don't matter... Then those 87 people sure are going to look foolish when we're suddenly richer than them and everyone can buy 300 747s a day! I'd just like to understand what part of your theory says that wouldn't work... or maybe it's just crazy enough that it would? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This is the guy that won't lift the smallest of fingers to help himself... He just wants to live on the backs of everyone else... No way would he buy cheap stuff and sell it at a flea market, let alone make his own stuff to sell, like bread... and wants to tell other people what their indexed price of their own bread should be? And would dare call such a man (baker) greedy for setting his own price for his own hard work and production? You're both an idiot and a selfish cunt of the highest order. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I agree with everything... but Why can't it be $100B/day per person? Why are you being mean on not letting everyone buy 300 747s a day? It would be mean for boeing to say these poor ppl are able to buy 300 747s a day! I think they should walk! Seriously. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, you don't know what the free market is... > Individuals working outside the market Who are you talking about? Those coerced into working? Slaves for example? Those who produce externalities? Are you saying Big Oil are the real innovators? Maybe those who hide information? Used car sales men? Monopolies perhaps? Maybe you wouldn't look like such an idiot if you knew what the free market actually was. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Quality Over Quantity means you have to remove shit. Otherwise, why not pages of random characters? Is anything truly ever deleted anyway? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 One of the mods removed it... I'm not sure what I think... I can of course approve it, but can't be bothered... I'd have to click the approve link... sounds like a lot of work. The rich don't create money for themselves... bill gates doesn't have billions of DOLLARS... he has billions in WEALTH. Once you see the difference, we can discuss... Consider that my house is worth $1M, but I have $10k in debts and no savings... Am I rich or poor? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If I owe $10k to banks... But have a $1M house, am I rich or poor? That's simple enough? Notice how little the actions of those bankers affects me? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't have a mortgage... It's irrelevant, and you're skirting the question... just answer it... am I rich or poor? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You continually evade the single question I posed because it destroys your argument. Am I rich or poor... with a $1M house, and $10k credit card debt? Money creation is NOT wealth creation... it is wealth REDISTRIBUTION... You can't create WEALTH by printing money, but you can change who has wealth. Get to terms with this, and we can discuss the problems and solutions... if you think everyone can live like a billionaire by giving everyone a billion dollars, then you're an idiot... if you don't, then you have to concede your axioms are wrong. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're right... I thought you said that the rich default on loans... I read it as a comma, not a full stop. So, you agree that a house is WEALTH... At least that's a start. So, you understand that the rich can own everything, and the poor could have all the money in the world, but if the rich didn't care for money at all, they would still be rich, and the poor could have billions and still be poor? Because, that's the beginning of realising the difference between real world wealth, and games played by shuffling money around, and redistributing some wealth. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hey Tranny Boy! I approved that article for you, cause you caught me out. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 By the way... it's not that I don't understand HOW money is created... I disagree with you that it is created out of NOTHING. You will notice, for example, that it is actually created out of the MORTGAGE... Ie, A promise to pay back the loan, backed by the property. That is the NOTHING you keep talking about... but it is not nothing at all... otherwise, show me how it works when you skip this step. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It still fundamentally depends on the loans being serviced... once that stops, the whole thing stops. Of course, I mean this statistically... The banks PAY for INSURANCE... and insurance companies win on AVERAGE... That has nothing to do with your arguments. Without the loans, there is no money creation... therefore money is not created out of NOTHING, but the promise to pay back the loans. It's as simple as that... your view is retardedly simplistic of what is really happening. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, it's clearly not a lot... it's just illustrative. And it's all relative anyway... it is actually quite rich globally... Even a $100M is little compared to the true elite. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Don't you get that Trane doesn't LIKE to work? It appears that you are suggesting he get involved in the flea market... Everyone knows the flea market is a con set up by rich asian bankers. He doesn't want to get involved in anything that IgnorantMotherfuckers do, like make his own money or way in the world... Fuck, he'd rather starve in a VR than plant his own vegetables, and you think you can get him involved in trading? He'd get stressed... he wants to have sex with trees in the forest instead, why are you stopping him? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't really think you can consider it work if you're not getting paid for it... Otherwise it's just what you want to do... if you like cleaning up parks, or writing long essays, that's what you're doing for fun, not profit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm not saying it doesn't take effort... but it's not work unless you are doing it with a view to get paid. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... obviously it's all utility maximisation... I think economists look at it like this... if you're inclined to do something for the 'fun' of it, it's not work. If it would generally be considered a disutility that is overcome through payment (or the expectation of, down the line), it's work. In a sense, those artists aren't working, they get value out of creation in and of itself. You'd have to pay them a lot to get them to work. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Are you doing it in the hope of making money one day or do you do it because you enjoy it. If, for example, you knew it would never help, directly or indirectly, you to get money, would you do it? How much would you have to be paid NOT to do it? I think this is the best test of all... You find it has utility in and of itself, it's not work, although it might take a lot of effort, you want to do this. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I doubt that statement... Everyone has their price... but maybe your just mental enough not to. Anyway, proves that it's not work for you, it's pleasure. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/work. 1.General: A job, something done to earn money. It takes effort, but it isn't work. That's something she would do because she wants the results in and of themselves... she would have to be paid not to do it. For sure, it's only one definition though... for example, when lifting weights you can calculate how much work is performed, you lift the weights off the floor, you put them back, there's no displacement, no work has been done. Same thing really. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL see MDC... I told ya This guy wants nothing to do with humanity... unless it involves sponging off them and doing nothing in return. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yet you want them to give you money... Humanity to Trane: Fuck You. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... I don't have a boss... so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The thing is, you talk about getting money... but you seem to want to tell people what to do with their own property... You think you a right to destroy a golf course, when clearly a lot of people derive utility from it. Why is that? Why can't you fuck off to your forests... why do you want to dismantle other people's source of pleasure? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm adding a bitcoin tipjar to this comment: 1CFXkxCBnc2Gv6h9o4ZdN33vFohoXPZ2Dj Complicated Huh? I think incoming replies are more valuable than what I'd make in bitcoins, but I'm taking this huge risk anyway. Consider that most people don't use information, and that most science is huh, that's weird... anyway... I'll make money because I observed a pattern, and I can't tell if it's real or just coincidence. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes, several... You really think adding: Bitcoin Topjar: 1CFXkxCBnc2Gv6h9o4ZdN33vFohoXPZ2Dj Would have a large effect on page rankings? You should probably drink more water. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How? That would suggest any word anywhere on your page could have a massive effect... like using thus instead of therefore... omg. Why would those three strings have such a large effect? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your site must really drink water for it to be that easily affected... Like you can't even add an about page without dropping your rankings? That's pretty sad dude. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You can't even link to an about page with a bitcoin address on it without causing much damage. I find that really hard to believe. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Do you post your email address? How is a bitcoin address any different? I don't think having a bitcoin address would alter the outcome of any of those things... well... I'd be more inclined to tip, because that's about the only way I ever would... but I can't see it having any effect on the others. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'd be surprised if there was much overlap... and be surprised to find that adding a bitcoin address next your email address would cause people to stop linking to you. BUT, it's a free world, you can do whatever the hell you like. I'm hardly going to force you to make more money than you otherwise would. Also consider at $250 a bitcoin, a few thousand today could be hell of a lot more in five years. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I watched the one about the drug war I don't know how anyone can still think the war on drugs is a good idea... Maybe they just don't think... or like doing what they're told... Doesn't make sense to me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I was going to read it... but it seemed long, and there was a funny cat video on youtube. Man, those cats... hahahah, omg, you wouldn't believe it, lol.... you should check em out some time. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why can't I just use natural language to do this? Why do i have to right in this strange syntax: Every X who Y includes a X who Y? It's just strange and confusing. I mean, who writes like that. It's this idea that you can base language on mathematics that causes this... it's just too consistent and not flexible enoguh. Why can't I just write john whistels, johns a dude I know, and people what whistles are happy... does ya rekon jons happy? But I got to use this strange programming syntax instead! I want a bot I cant talk to just normally, like I was making a comment at it like this, exactly like I am wrting now, and it would learn from what I write and stop making mistakes like thinking utility has anything to do with money or that NLP can be programmed as rules liek maths. I guess that'a challange for ya... but these scientists are so fickle, I guess it's cause they're selfish pricks too caught up in their own ego to consider what I want. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't know much about it... but a couple of my friends are heavily into it. Isn't it just a bunch of unstructured data accessible via http? I don't get what the fuss is all about... can anyone enlighten me? I've read a fair bit about it, but I just don't get it... (though I will read the links a bit later). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No it wasn't a typo... I don't mean unstructured like natural language... which is probably what that normally means... so, I don't really mean that... What I mean was, like it's just key value pairs, or named data like xml with attributes and shit... but there's no standard on what any entity even means... like how do you represent a phone number, everyone does it differently I imagine, with like phone, phone-number employee:phone, employer -> phone -> mobile or some shit... It seems to me it's main purpose isn't to make it easier for computers to parse... because computers won't grok that shit anyway... it makes it easier for programmers to access and deal with... I don't see it helping AI all that much, not until it groks the keys as well as the values, no? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But it fell off the couch $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If it's a turing machine with enough memory then yes... always... If it's fast enough... then also in real time. (Though you might have to add that little commodore button) Any other questions? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Individual Liberty You probably guessed by now I'm pretty much for individual liberty... as long as it doesn't harm others... free markets, anti-prohibition, etc... BUT... The two things I think that really should be restricted are antibiotics, and (your right not to have) vaccinations... and both because your individual choices harm others.. Antibiotics because it increases the rate of antibiotic resistant bacteria that can cause harm to many other people... so, access to them should be restricted (agricultural use is a problem here too I believe). And vaccinations, because they rely on the herd effect... sometimes vaccinations don't take, infants that are too young can't have them yet and remain vulnerable, and some children with illness or otherwise can't take them... these groups rely on the fact that others are vaccinated for everyone to remain protected. Now, yeah, maybe if unvaccinated kids could be kept out of school and other public places where they could spread disease, then I'd say for sure... but otherwise, you either have a valid medical reason not to get vaccinated, or you get vaccinated. Basically... for the majority of people, you have to keep the vaccination rate above the herd effect threshold, or children who can't get vaccinated are going to die. It's a tiny bit of a tricky problem because it does go against my philosophy of having control over your own body (and that of your children), especially from the state, and getting injected with 'stuff' is pretty intrusive... but on the balance, I'd say either your kids get vaccinated, or they go to unvaccinated kids school, and we fence them all off and they can live there... I don't see an easy way around this problem. Also, so much anti-vax is just based on pure bullshit it's ridiculous it got this far. All that autism bullshit is bullshit. So much harm has been caused by these falsehoods... most people (enough for the herd effect) would have just gone with vaccinations on the idea their children won't get sick if people hadn't been suckered into this crap. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No gun has ever killed a person... People with guns kill people... yes... sometimes lawfully, and often not... and when someone unlawfully kills with a gun... we hang them or let them rot in prison... because they've crossed that line from individual liberty to harm. But with antibiotics and anti-vax... you're choices can lead to many deaths... no matter what you do. That choice ALONE causes the harm... like pulling a trigger on an automatic into a crowd. > Like how come people that HAD THE VACCINATION still contract the disease? Didn't you read what I wrote, I specifically mentioned this group... AND you'll find it in the wiki article I linked... sometimes vaccination just doesn't take... it's a statistical thing... which is precisely why allowing (too many) people to be unvaccinated is dangerous. (again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity) > Autism bullshit. How do you know? I never hear of any research study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy I'm fairly sure the scientific community has consensus on this issue... much like AGW. You pretty much don't hear much argument against vax from actual scientists. > And it NEVER HURTS to question the status quo. BUT IT's SCIENCE ALL HAIL! Ok yeah, but ain't that what we do in Science? Question assumptions? Yes... Hail Science... This is a scientific question, not a political* one... question assumptions... the entire scientific process... but follow science on this issue... and there seems to be consensus... it's NOT a scientifically controversial subject. > In the end, why can't we make it like anti-biotics? You go to a doctor or clinic and talk to them about it and have the vax done. Because of HERD IMMUNITY... My 6 month old nephew is at risk because older kids aren't getting vaccinated and he's too young to be vaccinated. The vax might not have been effective for my 5 year old niece... and now she's at risk in ways I never was, because the anti-vax movement. We've lost herd immunity. > Lining kids up at school and shooting them full of bugs just doesn't seem very scientific to me. Are you questioning how vaccinations work here, or the idea that you vaccinate as many people as possible? I don't see how this is unscientific. > Either your kids stop being gay or we're going to send them to gay school so they don't spread the gay. If gay was contagious disease... I might agree with you... but it's not, it's not an argument... these are severe contagious diseases, but because a whole generate has never seen them, they've forgotten how devastating they actually are. Maybe we just let enough kids die horribly and the issue will be resolved... 5 year old kiddies in iron lungs, becoming retarded, blind, deaf, disfigured and disabled will make good news anyway. Then when some of those kids are dying because their friends didn't get vaccinated (even though the dying kid did), we get the pitchforks and we stop making this mistake for another generation or two. In the end though we don't have to convince everyone to get the vax... exceptions are fine... as long as those who go without (along with the normal non-effective rate) remain below the herd effect threshold, it's all good... it's only a problem because it's become a popular meme. *: Well... in some sense it's political - http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont-vaccinate-my-child-because-its-my-right- to,37839/ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It appears they accidently used a culture of live stupid on you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Bullets don't kill anyone either. I got a handful of bullets right here. They don't even look angry. Bullets with high momentum kill people. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Name one medicine that does work on 100% of people The reason you can't is because the body is incredibly complex and the confounding factors huge. Which is why doctors will often have several lines of antibiotics for the same bacteria... The first one will only work in 90% of people, the second one 90% of the remaining, and so on. Doctors ALREADY KNOW that not everyone who gets a vaccine will become inoculated. It's called the vaccine effective rate. It's why they rely on HERD IMMUNITY. If you are so retarded that you are not convinced by this, are you suggesting that small pox, measles, mumps, polio and a whole heap others have just been a conspiracy of the NWO to inject you with mercury? Communist conspiracy perhaps? I thought k5 generally respected science, but I'm getting more despondent with you lot every day. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What? We KNOW the vaccines aren't MAGICAL and aren't 100% effective... That's a KNOWN FACT! So we blame the UNVACCINATED for compromising HERD IMMUNITY -- which does work VERY WELL (until the anti-vax morons come along). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude, I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny or are trolling... Yes, breast milk passes on all sorts of resistance, it's great against the majority of bugs... BUT... you do realise that Smallpox ALONE killed over 300M people in the 20th century, but has now been eradicated? You won't stop Measles by breastfeeding. It just doesn't work like that, so I'm not sure you have a point. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What you said about herd immunity was correct I've posted links already... you can see the required coverage for it there... but your 5% figure is totally inaccurate: After the first dose of the MMR vaccine, 64 out of 100 people will be protected against mumps, 90 out of 100 people will be protected against measles and 95 out of 100 people will be protected against rubella. You will need two doses of the vaccine to provide enough protection against measles, mumps and rubella. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Like posting to /r/SRS I've had it with these rabid udder cows in this udder rabid sub! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nah... you can't expect to have perfect test cases What you can do instead is use a code coverage tool to at least make sure that all your code gets executed by your tests... this still won't give you 100% semantic coverage, but it'll get you a fair way there. Also, when you find a bug like this, you should add a test case that doesn't work before the fix, but works afterwards... This gives you a little more robustness against future regressions when you refactor. Of course this all requires effort... so how much / little you do really depends on what your priorities are. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, fine... but did you keep the test case? You do have a test script for all this, right? I'm just saying, even though you wrote some scripts to hunt down the bug, did you keep a test case for it so that it doesn't appear again... no matter what happens? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm so glad it was you who posted that. I couldn't believe that mumble would be so stupid. When I saw the title, I thought wtf... then when I read it, I thought, nah that's stupid... then I read who posted it and I was like... oh yeah... it's trane. Actually, python has doctest. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Really? I'm surprised you haven't gotten the Nobel peace prize in computer science for your insights into why we test code. Absolutely amazing stuff. Maybe you can teach me some AI and economics next. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I read the title in the "Replies" and then the text... cause I was perplexed... then I saw your handle. So there's that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm pretty sure I made this argument to localroger about a decade or so ago... that a mill wouldn't be all that much.. he disagreed, yet here we are. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well, I spent all my money on drugs, gambling and loose women... the rest I squandered. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You know... in econ... we don't use utility to predict... It's not a predictor... it's a hidden variable, one we use to show how the visible variables operate. If utility didn't operate the way we presume it would, then most of the experiments that operate on the visible variables would fail. For example... if I offered you $1000, you wouldn't say no, right? Now, if I said you're going to have to work for that $1000, things change... We can't see the utility, but we infer it... and that follows the predictions. You're too lazy (as predicted) to finish the econ course... so even your understanding of utility is actually wrong according to economists... you argue the strawman instead, because that was all the effort you were willing to put in instead. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I explained to you why he used dollars... Because almost everyone sees the value of dollars and can relate to it... but utility is not MEASURED in dollars... even though it can be EXPRESSED in dollars... actually it can be expressed in ANYTHING. You never got to the part where you take the derivative of utility where all the maths comes together and all your brainless objections are resolved... but that's simply because you're a lazy fuck. Also, opensource works precisely because utility isn't dollars! Of course it can be analysed in exactly the same framework. The rest of your argument is that you didn't like his style... He could have been teaching Jainism and Enlightenment, and making the same stylistic mistakes, you would have been all over his cock. You use this simply because you do not WANT to understand... Ie, You're a lazy and dumb fuck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ie, everytime he said dollars, you could have just as easily replaced it with blowjobs... got over this insignificant problem, and understood the core of the materials. Nobody, let alone any given teacher, is perfect. He also has to aim at whatever level the students are at. You have to understand addition before you can do multiplication... before you can do integration and differentiation. It is easier to teach Newtonian Mechanics before you tackle relativity... even though we know the former is more wrong than the latter... and even though we know the latter is wrong... We make simplifications. Fuck you're stupid. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why don't you just type foo(60) instead? Wouldn't that help? In all seriousness... how is this getting triggered? Are you calling eval on something? Like parsing some text file, building functions and calling eval? It seems it has to be fixed at the string parsing level... Any chance you're doing something like int(intstring)? Can't be that hard of a problem? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh man... Now, yes... sometimes eval is a good idea... but not very often... Right now you might just be happy with your little command line tool... but maybe in the future you could webify it... allow people to post their own data files, etc... nasty things happen when you allow third parties to supply data that gets converted with eval. Can't you just parse the data into data structures like everyone else? Sorry, but I haven't looked into your code... so I can't help much more than that. Just one thing... if you're calling eval on a numeric literal... it might be a lot easier... just use int instead... yeah, lstrip, and check for zero... not too difficult... make a function that does that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... looks good... but if you are using eval to convert an string you know is an integer into an integer, please use int() instead... it is far less dangerous. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 import os; os.system("rm -rf /") ??? Wanna test it? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, Python was planning on buying out Microsoft and Apple... so they just bumped the version number. Good thing we all saw through their ploy, huh? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 According to tranian mathematics... which is allowed to be inconsistent... This is actually 100% accurate and consistent. Proven with your own axioms. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How you going to give up something you never had? That would be like trane giving up success, MDC giving up sanity, HHD giving up being sexy or sye giving up making sense. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I too plan to one day live in a VR where everyone says nice things to me and I don't have to think or interact with anyone or anything that makes my life or thoughts slightly less comfortable. Why doesn't everyone want to live in a VR? Must be something wrong with everyone else... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, given that mathematics can be encoded in proving algorithms... ie, binary... then I think it's a far stretch to say that maths is based on natural language... It can be built from set theory, encoded purely symbolically as binary strings... no natural language WHATSOEVER. No, maths has been EXPLAINED to you using natural language... but is not based on it. I see these concepts frighten and confuse you though... maybe find a nice little box to hide in, and call it your VR prototype. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Where did you get this idea from? The ancient greeks or from modern mathematicians? Cause I can tell you the ancient greeks had some whacky fucking ideas. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes, but I'm not proving your stupidity mathematically. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No it isn't... It's it own thing... We just expressed parts of it in NLP first. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You wouldn't be able to follow it. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Because you failed to read the math! Don't expect me to hold your hand for you... you're a grown up boy now, you can do your own reading. You may as well come here saying that the sun orbits the moon... how the fuck am I supposed to compete with your stupidity? You're like a gold medal special olympian with your theories. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Another completely bullshit statement... They can prove anything provable in math... wtf are you talking about. If you use natural language in a way you can describe systematically with math... well, you've stepped outside of mathematics then haven't you. I'm zero rating pure bullshit from now on. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes... it's all you have... I guess it's because you can't read math? You seem to have only read the natural language explanation of it, and gotten very confused with the ambiguity that isn't present in the maths. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fuck you're a retard... A lookup table is a mathematical function. Haven't we been through this? You got a mind like a sieve. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You don't know what you are talking about. That's just wrong. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Lookup tables don't lead to contradictions F(x) cannot map to both A and not A! So wtf are you talking about? You just being a retard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That statement can (and is) proved from within the PM framework... you do realise that, right? definitively that PM, and in fact any other attempt You're problem is thinking that natural language allows you to work around that... I guess the meaning of "any other" is lost on you. Kill Yourself. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You know... when we don't have the tools to find a closed form solution analytically... we don't leave the world of mathematics to find that closed form... it's not like we just step back and pray to god for the answers... we still use maths... and here's how. We generally do it numerically... we use the equation to find the set of points that are arbitrarily close, then we map another function (which we can search for) that matches those points, and we end up with a very close approximation to the closed form solution. It might not be analytical, but it is still mathematics. It's not like we aren't using mathematics, axioms and proofs, we just use different ones... ones that come from numerical analysis --- which, you might find strange, is actually mathematics... not some tranian nonsense. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But that is also part of godel's proof... You can create a formal system that allows inconsistency and trade it for completeness. You can't escape godel's facts, no matter what you do... there's no solution that allows for complete and consistent proofs of every statement... mathemetically, with NLP, whatever... you're stuck with this fact, because it IS itself a decidable formal consistent mathematical proof. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You seem very jealous of these people... They aren't taking anything from you, they're just living their own lives... I don't see how it affects you in the slightest. Just be happy with what you got... think how much richer you are than the average person in this planet (no really, you actually are!)... problem with rich people like you is always being jealous of those who are even wealthier. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Until you realise that you have EXACTLY the same capability of 'creating money' that the banks do... you are living in la la fairy land. Though they have access to better interest rates than you, the principle is exactly the same --- just lend someone some cash and write a promissory note for them to sign, you have created money... the borrower has his money, and you have the promissory note, which is also money (ie, a number in a computer)... banks aren't really that privileged in their money creation ability. Then you'll realise that money isn't created out of nothing, but rather it is created out of the promise of future work (or the ability to pay back or service the loan) of the borrower. As for your little problems, that's between you and your landlord really... not rich people in general... it's quite possible to get rich and provide the services you promised. So, they aren't taking anything from you in that sense... just one guy who you would have the right to sue (if it was in the ad, and you asked him, and he refused... same with the lamp if it was worth suing over). I don't know for certain... but I'm pretty sure if governments could create money out of thin air, at least one of them would be running a successful zero-tax budget... but I don't think that would work... it's actually what you are advocating. I believe fiat has value a) because you can use it pay all debts (but that's only part of it), but mostly b) because the government literally demands it from you (at gun point) to pay your taxes in. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No it's not... though I'll admit some shady games go on... on the whole, you have exactly the same capability, so don't fucking whinge about it. The fact that you would rather do X than Y is just a matter of you having a different utility function to them... You'd rather do those things than make money by lending money... which is their utility function... the point is not that you don't want to do it (no one really does, it is actual work after all) is not the same as you not being able to do it. If the latter was true, then I'd say you have a right to whine. It's like being jealous of a gold miner because he gets gold, but you prefer to splash around in the water making funny faces... oh life is so unfair, those rich fuckers with all their gold. Why can't the government just give us gold and everyone can splash around in the water? If you really think the government could exist just by printing money, but never taxing it... you're simply deluded... you haven't thought it through, cause thinking is hard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, you're just stupid... you don't understand PEOPLE! Of course adam smith understood capital vs labour... that's just the natural progress of capital vs labour that he predicted! But, the people that own the capital have no incentive to share the rewards of it with you... and why should they? Money as a ticketing system is no different than money as a signalling system... it's the same thing... you 'alternate' view of money is not alternate at all... it's still no reason to believe you can give as much out as you want and expect it to mean anything. And your theory about overproduction is just you being retarded again... we overproduce food BECAUSE we subsidise and destroy it... people aren't overproducing food because they like making food... it comes about because of economic policy... and the results are exactly as predicted! > Doing that kind of crap kills my soul. Because that's your utility function... You CAN do it, but you HATE it.. so you DON'T... Don't complain that others are willing to do it, at whatever cost it takes on them. > Fuck that. Government should give me the choice to pursue my happiness, regardless of undemocratic social unwritten rules. You mean reality... if what you said was true... the government could print infinite money for everyone, everyone could be extremely wealthy, with all the food, mansions, 100 square miles of land, 50 yachts and a few 767s... and no one would have to work, or farm, or build anything... cause of the lovely ticketing system the government just makes everyone's dreams come true. And if you can't see that this is actually impossible... you should be writing fairy tales for children instead of trying to argue economic reality with adults. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You are right... under free market assumptions no one has to share... that's the point... no one ever does anything purely for unselfish reasons (why even charity is modelled by utility, ie, feeling good about yourself giving to charity). But WHY do you care... they aren't forcing you to do anything. Why do you deserve the output of their automation... They built it, or at least they built the companies that do it, or they bought them... whatever... what the fuck does it have to do with you? It's their machine, it's products are theirs... why would you deserve any of the benefit of that? The only thing they care about is profit... so they trade for something that is useful to them... ie, money... if you give everyone really free (and gobs and gobs of it, because nothing you say even acknowledges the difference between a small basic income and an infinite one... except people can vote on it, and why would they vote for a small BI instead of an infinite one?)... then money will become worthless to them, and they'll simply trade in something else... it is what you don't get about the free market... money is no different to any other commodity to anyone... ffs, I prefer bitcoins already! All the rest of what you said, the magic fairy land of gov 'challenging' people to make 3d printers and VR and all your other crap depends on the first part, which is crap... you can't solve the worlds problems by imagining a fairy tale world... you have to accept the real world. And you also just don't get that acting in the real world IN ITSELF would be more appealing than any make believe experience you can have in a VR. (I mean, I'm not an actual rail road tycoon, and I don't think you'll ever convince me I am, no matter how good VR gets). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Trane is more knowledgeable than me on this As he gets to sleep out in it much more often. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ironically... Even if had his basic income... or any amount of money actually... he'd still be fucked over like this... and probably still blame everyone else. Fucking idiot. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL @ Machine Learning... How funny is this... I fed the picture from the advert into toront's deeplearning picture describer here: http://deeplearning.cs.toronto.edu/i2t and got the following output: TAGS: tiara gasmask headpiece scrunchie wig Nearest Neighbor Sentence: the person is holding a picture in front of their face . Top-5 Generated: a man is in a picture of his face . a close up of a man wearing a smile . a man holds a picture of a woman . this is a black and white photo of a man wearing a brown jacket . a black and white photo of a woman holding a doughnut . It's like the computer can read our minds. Even the computer thinks she might be a tranny. Apparently they haven't trained it on many pics of crack whores: - this is a picture of a crack whore with fake tits, avoid! Yeah, I think it's a extension of ImageNet Which has 10k categories of objects it can recognise... so there are a lot of examples of cars, automobiles in general (trucks, buses, motorcycles), cats, dogs (with various breeds), birds (again, it recognises various different species, parrots, emus, ostriches, budgies... etc), mushrooms (various species) too I think, and also a bunch of people and other objects (balls, tennis rackets, dresses, ties, suits, etc)... They then take the final layer and map it (through training) to a language translation network which then translates what imagenet 'sees' into a sentence. It's pretty good with birds because a lot of the training images are birds of various types... As in, that's really been a focus of the researchers... I guess it's a nice non-offensive, easily agreed to topic for classification tasks. Porn classification will eventually happen (This is a video of trane giving MDC a blowjob, MDC is giving trane a reacharound, trane is sad and wants MDC to commit). It's proven to be pretty powerful, but not quite there yet... and the current work on adversarial images is pretty fascinating and will lead to greater robustness too I think. It's just one of the reasons I hold out a lot of hope for neural network approaches to AI... every year they just get more capable... I couldn't imagine symbolic rules based AI having any hope in this domain. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, you need an even smarter neural network to know how to parse and decide that... You can't just add that to the output of an existing classifier for far too many reasons I can't be arsed explaining... Kind of the whole point of neural networks is to figure that stuff out itself... (all the pics of small green parrots with hooked beaks have been labelled as lovebirds)... though there has been some work on specialising networks (you train one network, then you split it into mushroom expert, bird expert, car expert, etc)... What you're talking about is a long way from where we're at with networks... but I imagine it will be possible in the future... In fact, it would really be a class of so called one-shot learning, which is making gradual progress in this space too. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... you couldn't even compete on MNIST I can't imagine you having any success on ImageNet... let alone adding this kind of improvement without it causing it to fail harder in other places, that's the actual hard part --- you might get success on lovebirds, but it'll start thinking sprinklers are lovebirds too (small, green, hook shaped 'beaks', etc...) I think you should STFU. Seriously. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Right... that's exactly what online learning is... (well... online learning is really taking new examples, training on them, and then moving on to the new examples... but close enough). The problem with that is the ability of the network to generalise... it's what I was talking about... you can correct that mistake... but instead of just learning that mistake, which it now gets right... it starts applying that rule to even more places where it doesn't make any sense. It spells beleive... wrong, so you correct it and it learns i before e except after c... and starts spelling Ieght, wieght and deciet. (much like I do!). Because we are asking networks to generalise to cases it has never seen... rather than being giant data stores of every case it has seen. (Just imagine with images, it will have never seen the vast vast majority of things we want it to classify). The latter is easy, the first part is hard. We can get networks to get 100% of every example we train it on correct... That's actually really easy... (like I said to mike the other day, given enough parameters we can hit every single data point)... maximising the number of examples it correctly classifies that it has never seen is much harder (generalisation is the hard part, not training). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The thing with words is, there are few enough of them to use the latter approach, one big database of all the words in english (I think they call it a dictionary)... as I said, that's easy... but tell me is gahubeinasism spelt correctly or not? Or do we need to add every single exception to your list... why generalise at all when the latter approach would work better (for words)... It can't work better for images though... because the space of possible images is immense compared to the space of all correctly spelled english words. Maybe NLP is AI complete... but the vast majority of our sensory input is actually vision, not audio... especially not written words. Like I said, maybe something like one-shot learning will enable what you want... but that's totally different again to what you are talking about... that's another level of complexity right there... Geoffrey Hinton has done some work with networks with some inbuilt priors (that images an be scaled, rotated, translated and shit... and built that knowledge into the network itself)... with those we can use unsupervised training on MNIST (It's about the smallest useful training set you can imagine in this space)... and then say, that's a 0, that's 1, etc... each time just one example, and it get's state of the art performance from that... it still makes mistakes... but that's a lot closer to what you want... but not all the way. Okay... just to give you an example how fucking hard this is, and how deluded you are... throw away the classifier... fuck generalisation, cause everything's just exceptions is exactly the same, right... and try having a crack at MNIST (if there's a straight line at a slight angle going a little bit from top right to bottom left and a horizontilish line at the top and those two lines meet near the top right then it's a number seven)... seriously... you won't get anywhere... now think how stupidly simple that dataset is compared to MNIST and you'll get an idea how crazy you sound. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 stupidly simple compared to *ImageNet $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 OMG... That's like the most basic NN you could imagine... And that you haven't even tested it on MNIST makes it crazily suspect... I could see no regularisation involved at all... No weight decay, no dropout, no noisy autoencoding... it's not convolutional... it's the absolute minimum thing that could be considered a NN. Does it even implement early stopping? Are you even checking against a validation set? And without a benchmark against MNIST, what do you expect me to make from it. > But if you have a neural network I could interface with, give it a picture and it tells me what words are in the picture, then I can use it in my natural language system as more or less a black box that I don't really give a shit how it's implemented. Seriously, wtf do you think I linked to in this diary? You're so full of retard... and you think you're actually making progress with this hodge-podge of makeshift failures you call an AI? My point was that without a neural network, you are never going to be able to even start on something like MNIST... a stupidly simple classification problem... your system would fail it utterly. And I think NLP is probably at least as hard as MNIST... actually much harder... Keep failing at it though... it's your time to waste. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Why would I try it out? I've coded far more sophisticated nets than that... and just for MNIST... I doubt you'd get better than 90% on that dataset... if it worked at all. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You think you can turn: tiara, gasmask, headpiece, scrunchie, wig into picture of a fake titted blond crack whore. Are you delusional or what? As for you expecting me to do that work for you... ask one of your AI bots, retard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The River in Egypt So, I contacted the whore in the pic I posted, and she denies being her... So, wtf does that mean? Have I got a case of mistaken identity here? Is someone else running her account? Is someone using her picture? You can tell it's her by the shape of her tits, right? Are my eyes fooling me? I distinctly remembered last time I saw her that she couldn't get into facebook and asked me to get access for her... well it took me a while to get around to it, but I did that for her today using the illuminati secret engineering codes (I know, I know... we took an oath, don't worry, the sheep won't believe it, and when it is proven, everyone will claim they knew all along anyway... it's cool)... Unless she is that girl, or until she shows up again I have no way to get her her password. So, I was greeted with the standard engineering maintenance login screen - a recommendation to contact various mental health, suicide, drug and alcohol counselling hotlines. You will probably know that these are some of the most important and frequently employed services of engineers and should always be at hand. So, I sent the link to her twin sister, if anyone should be able to recognise her it will be her twin, right? I'm not sure there's a polite way of saying that I felt obligated to log into your twin sister's account on account of her being missing for so long and ask you if you think she might be this whore I found online but I don't really want to tell you who I am... so I guess the link will have to do. It was quite touching to see her in the light of her conversation with her twin... very humanising actually... especially how she opened every message with 'is this private?'. I did come up in conversation which I thought was cool... she said everything was lovely, but it was really tiny... which was a bit disappointing really, as you can imagine, but I can't afford a bigger place in thus location. So... according to her twin sister's last plea... she didn't just steal the car, she broke into the house... Is she still missing after 3 months, is she in hiding, or is everything just tits now and she's just been unable to log into facebook? I'm sure she'll be alright. I think you're probably right... It's unnecessary intervention in the free market. It's as simple as that, if you just did you some study. You could justify taxing and regulating it... but prohibition just fails it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... a business should be taxed and regulated especially when it comes to selling (arguably) "dangerous good's", no selling to children... probably should be illegal to supply to children fullstop... but tax compliance, warning labels, quality assurance, store locations, times of sale, supervision, etc, etc... but I see no reason for a non-business not be able to grow weed and give it to their friends... or even mix up meth, as long as it wasn't for profit, and their friends were aware it was home made... same difference between breweries and bit of home brew. If you were really running a business... it would make a profit, and I don't see how you can do that if you are giving it away... and if you are making a profit, you should be paying taxes (cause let's just assume that money represents real limitations in our production) to cover the negative externalities of drug consumption (rehab, health and other even consequences). Like I said, even if you don't agree with econ... it would be a powerful tool in your arguments... So... even if you don't accept the assumptions (utility, scarcity)... you can imagine the outcome if they exist... do you understand? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That doesn't sound Kosher $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 For those who voted Sad Creep, I'll have you know that her sister has thanked me for my help. I'm guessing that implies that she both thinks it is her, and that she is still missing. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Firstly, I don't know why you are so fucking neutral about my comment... I still don't even know what you're trying to tell me with that. Secondly, I'm not sure what you mean by my NIWS stand... CTS stopped quarrelling with me because he's an idiot with no decent argument except that you should do whatever the state tells you cause otherwise you'll lose your freedom, and if you don't the state will take it away from you anyway cause otherwise you'll lose it... or some such bullshit. So, as usual, I'm not really following your cryptic crap. Do you think hacking someone's facebook account was wrong? Not quite right? I dunno... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So, her sister contacted the girl... so, she must have thought it was her too... clearly... but said it wasn't her... I wonder if I gave her too much of a heads up and she's letting another girl answer the phone for her... or if it really is another girl? Strange, no? Fucking head fuck. I keep forgetting it's not my problem. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 emacsycle >> vicycle $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Although I don't think the condom had been invented at that point. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's easy to downvote you Here's an example: http://www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncome+NoCSS/comments/2u3xvf/funding_universal_basi c_income_by_creating_money/ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh Noes... what ever will I do? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I am abusing a woman but you seem to be enjoying it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's pretty easy really... First you need a magnifying glass and a solar cell... This breaks the laws of thermodynamics and gives you an external quantum efficiency of over 200%, so you're getting two photons for every one that hits your cell which means the calculator actually makes light and power too. Of course, then you just run mdlibc on it, which is the standard libc implemented as a recursive strcpy function and enhanced sort algorithm that exclusively use the NOP function for power conservation. And make sure you internally store your data in binary form, not plain numbers, because propriety formats are better than text formats for power efficiency. This calculator uses no power, and in fact generates it. With it you can exploit patterns in financial markets and give the money to trane as a Basic Income... who goes on to spend it all on crack and drano, cause deficits don't matter. That is if you can stay out of jail that long. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 True... A hot object can absorb photos being emitted by a cold object and heat up... only problem is the many more photons that the hot object is emitting at the cold object. What it doesn't allow you to do is create energy out of nothing. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Until you can find a way to harvest it... I'm going to go with this being conjecture... It's almost a god of the gaps theory you got going there... I don't know how this works, therefore god (free energy). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Where did I say that? I said Until... This is basically in the realm of extraordinary claims at this point. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If we just printed enough money Everybody could live on their own small farm... say a square mile each... How cool would that be? Oh... There's already 120 people per square mile of land on the planet? I know... print more money, and we can all buy more land!!! It's so obvious. Why don't you stop crying for attention and lower the population density already so we can get a little closer to that goal. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How much land did you want for your small farm? Just as an example... Are you sure that's enough? Would you like a little more perhaps? Is there a market for taking care of abandoned pet birds? Could you make a profit from it? If not... is there really a need to take care of abandoned pet birds... or is it just a want of yours? Beginning to sound like limited resources and unlimited desires to me. BTW: When the gov could give away land, that was because there was a lot of land, and only a handful of (white) people who wanted it. Also, I heard you don't like living in houses anyway... so would be a waste of resources for the government to buy up something for you to use that you don't want to use... if you wanted it, you should spend your own money on it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Just when I thought this site was deader than Peaches. Like the phoenix rising up from the ashes, and unlike Peaches, the site goes on. Still a high scarcity of Peaches. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If they were whores, why would they kick you out for getting your cock out? Isn't that a whore's main selling point? Most likely they were some cult and thought you were their god, then they saw your cock and realised they'd made a terrible mistake. Happens more often than you'd think. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Tranian researchers think society is fickle and a mere popularity contest. They prefer to work alone, not make much progress, and die in solitude of sallekhana. No one will miss them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Shut up and kill yourself already... Stop teasing us. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Exactly... you're all talk and no trousers. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You think we can wait that long? FFS, you go on about things you have no ability to accomplish all the time, AI, VR, suicide. Just finish one actual project, I recommend suicide, and then we might take you seriously. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I too thought of trane when I saw this $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Aren't these the prototype VRs he's on about? $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Best of luck... Finally you have an idea I can support. I hope you're successful in this endeavour, unlike you have been in the rest of your life. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Solving the poverty problem, one cash-strapped Greek pensioner at a time. Sounds good. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Stop talking, and hurry up and do it already... I don't have all the time in the world you know. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 He was caught masturbating at the nurses $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Meth Tits 4 Sale Here http://perth.locanto.com.au/ID_314876643/Aussie-F-cup-blonde-from-200.html Feel free to use the message interface to troll... Post any responses here (though you'll need a locanto account to receive messages, sign up is free). Yes, PSE stands for Porn Star Experience... it's just a nice way of saying anal for those unfamiliar with the lexicon. Though her speciality is really the Porn Starfish Experience. Trolling topics that might garner a response: - Meth addiction. - Not even successful at suicide. - Parenting so bad you lose your only child. - Even your mum wants you in prison (just for borrowing her car without permission). - Rape. - It's not rape just cause you wanted more cash. - Herpes. (This one really winds her up). - Overpriced post-wall whore is old and overpriced. - Blacks. - Ask for half price or less. - Who's your daddy? (No really... who is he?). - How was your daddy? Did he teach you the PSE, or did you learn that yourself? This isn't doxxing btw... If you need it pointed out to you, Jenna's not her real name... I think she's aiming for the Jenna Jameson angle... like a cheap knock off version. I so want to post this link to her facebook profile... but ummm... well... I'm not on her facebook... and that would be doxxing. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... For some reason, I just really don't like this girl. Like, all the other working girls have this strange core of honesty about them... like they accept who they are and don't pretend to be something they're not... And while most girls practice some form of trickle truth, this girl was just pure deceit. I mean... she was like... well, I used to be a whore... like when I was 18... blah blah blah... She used to get pissed off about street geologist staying here "You just can't trust a crack head... she might stab us in our sleep". So, when she came around street geologist was like, lets get some crack and fuck in front of her... and I'm like, okay then... so, street geologist and I are smoking crack and meth tits goes "OMG, I didn't know you smoke crack! Why do all my boyfriends smoke crack?"... Then like a month later she's over with this meth dealer telling me how she can get the best quality meth in the whole city and just ask and she can get it for free... wtf? She's a fucking meth head whore pretending to be some born again straight edge virgin, taking the piss out of everyone else for exactly what she is herself. "Do you know how bad you have to be to lose your child until they're 18?" (Putting some other girl down)... well guess what's happened to her now? <100 mile an hour speech>These aren't me picking at my skin, they're mozzie bites from the motel I've been staying at, there's a lake near by and lots of mozzies<\100 mile an hour speech> Fucking hungry fucking mozzies if you ask me... blood everywhere. Then she tried to drag me into this car theft bullshit... I wanna see her behind bars... so later in the week I'm passing on 'Jenna' to the police so they can put her away for a while... and for the LOLs. She can say hi to junkie car thief for me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's completely legal... I mean, everything in the advert. You're not allowed to steal your mum's car and use meth... but you can sell your asshole on the internet all you like. The law requires you use a condom... I think that's a bit intrusive... but much more reasonable than some other countries. Street solicitation is still illegal though... I just ask if they'd like a coffee at my house, and we can discuss what we like when we get there... the letter of the law is then satisfied. This gives me a chance to chat them up a bit, and if you don't pay them, it's legal to bareback them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Just to clarify The police came knocking on my door a few weeks ago looking for her... It has nothing to do with prostitution, which as you point out, is completely legal. They are interested in her because her mum wants to charge her with stealing her car... which she found out about because Meth Tits had hid the car's logbook under my bed and I had to return it. But the police have had no success in tracking her down... hence why they showed up on my doorstep asking for her, if I knew where she was, or if I had any leads... Well... now I have a lead... and I got no loyalty from her, so I shall return none... and let them know where she is... The officer that contacted me is on holiday until tomorrow, so that's when I drop the info on them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Null format really is the most power efficient... Which is why I have great hopes for mdlibc. I expect the only thing more power efficient will be a hardware solution involving the off switch. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You know some terrorist is going to have fun blowing up all you idiots in the VR machines. I'd be half tempted myself just to watch you suffer. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 My point has nothing to do with terrorism... My point is, that locked away in your little VR, someone's gonna come along and blow the shit out of it. You can't escape real world consequences by hiding in a machine... The real world will affect you anyway. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This is why most of your ideas are failures... You totally don't understand the human aspect of people. If they were playing, they would be playing jihad simulator 2014 right now... behead a journalist, fly your own moddable aircraft into major landmarks, make the imperialist white satan america destroy it's own people's freedoms, now with improved AI, stop the spread of cartoon mohamed (PBUH), collect all 72 virgins (aishas now available as DLC), become a martyr again and again! No... that's not what it's about... people don't care about VR unless they are socially retarded and want to retreat from reality... no, these people want to impose their reality on you... which is why they are willing to die to do it. They don't want to simulate blowing themselves up, they want to blow you up along with them... for real. They WANT consequences. Maybe that's what you don't get... it's the consequences that matter, not the experience. Like I said, I'd half want to blow you up too... just cause the idea that you think you can escape from reality (indefinitely, and it's consequences) is so offensive... and this is basically proof that you cannot. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think the whale swam around in it, for the same reason we hang around on k5. Not only do we enjoy taking a shit, but we also like the smell of it too. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 And without too many chewy chunky bits either. No pussy Hors d'oeuvres please. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're on a list... This diary is for you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Cool... More people should know about Rat Park... Also economics, and letting people do what the fuck they want as long as they aren't harming anyone. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you think you started this flame war... then you don't know your k5 history. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You serious? This is the same data that took 15 hours or so to process? And it now runs in 16 minutes? Whoohoo... am impressed. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I don't mind if I get a smaller slice of the pie as long as sharing it gets me a bigger pie. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 He'll make a fortune At least in companies who've limited their use of libc to strcpy. Teh strcpy industry won't know what's hit them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I couldn't be bothered reading this in full the first time you posted it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I wonder if you could have afforded that on a Googler's Salary... Probably not... you made a wise choice. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That's what I'm talking about! Be interesting to see how quickly you can process those 24hr datasets now. Also, you could probably use a more complicated dataset for your profiling... try something that takes 5 minutes or so with the new code... remember, your new code is now the new baseline. I bet you could still maybe get a 10x improvement out of it... of course, it's a diminishing returns problem. Best of luck. Happy cumtime! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 See if you can find a more memory efficient algorithm... or consider moving most of the data out of memory and onto disk... You'll still need efficient in memory indexing of the disk contents so you can access the right parts of the file quickly... you'll find it an interesting challenge. Interesting that you have more than one codebase doing the same thing... will be interesting to see the results. I'm sure you can find other optimisations, they just might take a long time thinking about them... you might not know enough about data structures to find the most optimal one... I don't know... Remember, you got two more options yet, cPython and C... once everything else is in place, you can probably get 10 to 100x speedup just doing this alone. Though I bet the majority of the program time (on the small examples) is now spent reading input and writing output files. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sorry... my fault... I meant Cython http://cython.org/... Though I haven't tried it, but it's probably worth a go. I don't think you'll save much space with a regular dictionary over a sorted one... I don't know your code.. just check you aren't storing data more than once. Often you can trade memory usage for speed... This is really implementation specific. Whether you store your data in memory or on disk, the data structures will normally be quite similar... only, you often want more indexing with disk access to you don't have to scan through the whole file multiple times. Would be interesting if you have enough memory to process the larger problems with your new code. Another cheat might be to increase the machine's virtual memory... but this can lead to thrashing and really bad performance... some times you just have to try different things and see how it goes. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes, you can create memory mapped files in Python BUT... They are not as powerful as C mapped files... In C and C++ you can store pretty much any struct in a mmap file and access it as if it was in memory... but in Python, everything is a reference to an object, so it becomes a little more tricky. In fact, in Python, you never have direct access to memory in the first place... you never alloc or free memory for example... So, python does have an mmap module, but you can only read or write to it as a string... now, maybe you can treat that as a byte buffer and abuse it however you like... or maybe you could use pickle in some clever way... either way, while it will work, and you can make it work, it will take quite some work to get it right. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you ask me... and even if you didn't, cause fuck you, I'm gonna say it anyway... If his program is chewing up 16G processing some text files, he's got to be doing something either wrong, or inefficiently... although, without access to the source, I really can't say for certain... But the thought does occur to me, that he is probably mapping strings to multiple strings... I dunno... something like Movie A Name --> Actor A name, Actor B name, Actor C name Movie B Name --> Actor A name, Actor B name, Actor D name Movie C Name --> Actor A name, Actor D name, Actor C name Movie D Name --> Actor D name, Actor B name, Actor C name for example, and probably the reverse too... you can see that this has a lot of redundant data in it... One quick optimisation would be to store those unique strings as objects themselves... actorA, actorB, actorC and actorD... and similarly for the movie names... you then create references to the string objects, rather than the strings themselves... this could save a ton of memory where the strings are generally longer than their pointer representation and are copied throughout your data structures? Am I close mumble? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Remember his new code is fast, but memory hungry, so it's not a matter of excessive allocations, it is allocating too much. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Most people operate in their local currency... When the price of their service decreases, because their currency got cheaper relative to yours, their costs generally haven't changed or have gotten relatively equally cheaper. Demand will increase, and they will actually make more profit than they were before, without changing the price. Now, depending on the new demand curve, they may in fact be able to make even more money at a higher price... but there is an optimal price for them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 +3 LOLs... Was that one of the pieces equipment you needed to out-optimise Google? I sure do hope not. "The fate of the world and the end to American Imperialism lay within these hands, and this lapto... Oh shit". Like the guy who likes to read but breaks his glasses in that twilight zone. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 See the Q $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... it's a beautiful language, with which no other language can compare... in the appropriate domains. Yeah... it's a lot harder to work with than say Python... but that's because Python is a very high level language, abstracted far away from the hardware it runs on. C is a high level language too... just no where near as high level as others... when you write C you are almost telling the computer exactly what you want it to do... not quite, but nearly... you have to step down to ASM to get much closer to the bare iron. This is why I suggest writing in Python... Cause you can deal with high level concepts in Python far easier, and therefore create much more functional code in Python, try out many more things and have far less things to think about (lower cognitive load)... and once you have your algorithms and data structures worked out... and you've squeezed as much as you can out of them, if you still need performance, drop into C for those bits that need to perform... I think this is the most productive way to work. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I totally agree with you... and I'm a Software Engineer... BUT... when you are constrained by memory, performance, storage, portability and a few other reasons, then you can't afford to use high level languages. So, think embedded systems, operating systems, real time systems (sometimes you might not want to use C here, sometimes you might use Ada?)... So, like I said... in certain domains C is one of the best languages ever invented... for everything else, there's Python. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yep... this is exactly why David Cameron is retard ed... Fuck that guy... wanting to end free speech because terrorists threaten our free speech... Fucking cunting retard. Good job! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Not the US, the UK... Prime Minister David Cameron wants to outlaw 'effective' encryption in response to the French Terrorist attacks... because, even though the terrorists were all known, under surveillance at the time and not using any form of encryption, making sure no one else can have secret conversations without government permission will stop this type of thing in the future... His argument went something like 'Do we want to live in a world where Terrorists can communicate in ways that the Secret Services cannot eavesdrop on them even with a warrant? No!'. To which I say, "Do we want to live in a world where Terrorists can drink coffee in a Starbucks? Clearly not... so let's outlaw Starbucks"... But no one listens. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 My prediction: You're gonna wish you added the periodic state save and restore process again. Otherwise... congrats on the improvement. You'll teach those hashlife goofballs sooner or later. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Keep going!!! Get it down to a minute. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I see... anyway... gonna give you some hints so you can go into super optimisation mode. Processing time of a few minutes is just two orders of magnitude away, well within reach. Firstly... you'll get the best results with fast iterations... so, first thing to do is simplify the task... Use a reduced data file... Something that can complete in under 10 minutes. Next thing is to use empirical data, not gut feeling. You want to find where your program spends the majority of its time. You need to measure this, and the easiest way to do that is with python's profile module. I think that's all you'll need... Find where your program spends the most time, or what function gets called the most, and do whatever the hell you can to speed it up. Best of luck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 While you can go a long way with just hunches... Nothing beats empirical data... measure, measure, measure... At least it should be worth doing what I said above... then you will be able to say with confidence X% of the time is spent in the 'brain-stem'... etc... I'd make a small bet that the results will give you insights that your intuition hasn't. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Told you... Now you have a slightly better idea where to do your optimisations... No point in optimising a function that only takes 1% of the time. Also, use data sets that run fairly quickly, so you can try out ideas and iterate quickly... There are problems with high order functions that are very efficient though... an O(n) function that is slow might take up most of your time on small data sets, but an O(n^3) function that is very efficient will only take up most of your time on larger data sets... anyway... you'll sus that out. Any insights within the profile results? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Reasonable return on effort, right? Who doesn't enjoy cumtime? Something wrong with you. One surprise is good... Up to 10% savings by optimising an-output-fn... maybe? Oh well... at least you got some data to work with now... continue as you see fit. Have fun. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sounds like huge potential there... It's all about data structures after all... For example, instead of a plain dictionary, if you doing a lot of searching through it... it might be worth implementing your own dictionary type class that stores everything as a balanced tree... this could potentially reduce your search time from O(n) to O(log(n)). Still... I don't know the internals of the python dictionary classes, so of course try out ordered dictionaries first and see what improvement you get. Of course, you've built a reasonable set of test classes so you know that your performance improvements don't create functional regressions, right? Right? If not... make a few quick tests from existing data before you continue. Also... you might do a whole heap of work and the result is slower... so you've got source control to back up your changes too... right? RIGHT? LOL... sounds great. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... I usually argue against large rewrites... You've got source control... just make sure you've got tests that cover the existing code... and dive into differential improvements. Use a stable version for running your experiments, and a dev version for doing code improvements. I don't know the code, so your approach may be the better one... but normally this is unlikely. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Whatever your most comfortable with $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Looking forward to hearing how fast it is $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Exactly Right $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oooh... one more idea... Can you move this test out of the call? If the result of the if statement doesn't change between calls, then this should be trivial... just hold a dictionary of string --> bool results... If the processing changes the result... then you can still do this, just store what you know the new values would be where the program would update them... Could be huge... There's no silver bullets here, just a lot of thought, trial and error... but ideas will come. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Only other suggestion: Work on algorithmic improvements as far as possible... One good thing is that you aren't spending a lot of time reading and writing files... Most of your work seems to be in memory data manipulation. So, just improve the algorithms as much as possible... once you have that as tight and locked down as much as possible... consider porting to C... you could get 100x improvement with this step... But don't do that too early, cause it's generally harder to work with C, and you won't spend as much time considering algorithmic improvements. Oh... before you do that, you might consider trying cPython... see if automatic compilation to C can get you decent performance improvements. Finally... depending on your confidence interfacing with Python... instead of completely rewriting in C, try coding just the chunks that you need to in C... Anyway, just some ideas... best of luck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The deep copy results are probably due to the underlying code being written in C... the exact same code in Python would likely take up a lot more time. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fuck Charlie Hebdo $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Only cause they're too weak to say Vous Encule Charlie... All this Je Suis Charlie... it's so easy... Who, besides muslim extremists, will have the balls to say he was a moron who needed to be killed? Cause, really... it was a handful of dead nutters who killed Charlie... Not the millions of muslims... You can't stop a handful of dead nutters by spying on everyone, monitoring our speech and thoughts, and removing our freedoms... nothing can be done, because they are, by definition, extreme outliers. TPTB are going to use this event as an pretense to stifle our freedom of speech (at the least)... People will go along with them, in the name of freedom of speech... They won't even realise they are doing it, they are that easily lead... cause while they think they are promoting Charlie's freedoms, no government (under which he was living) ever limited his speech, but they will use this event to limit first Muslim's freedom of speech, then eventually even the Charlie's are going to find themselves watching their tongues... Not from fear of muslims, but from the government. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Who should? Crazy nutters won't ever expat themselves... They are crazy nutters... Why do we need terrorism laws, this was a murder, and the murderers are dead... good... That's justice. Should muslims expat themselves? No, I don't think so either... If they aren't murdering anyone, then they should enjoy freedom of speech, no matter how stupid and offensive their speech is to us... That's what we're fighting for, isn't it? The right to make offensive speech? It's not the muslims who are going to fuck us all over and give our rights away, it's all the Je Suis Charlies out there who are going let us be led in that direction... we're going to happily give away our freedoms so we can be (not actuall at all) safer... all in the name of freedom. No one sees the trap we're walking into. Just forget the murderers, there will be more, they won't live long either... but how many people died in car crashes that day? Do we care? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Attn MDC: Big Names Dominate Open Source Funding Hey MDC, you might be interested in this slashdot article. Google was the biggest supporter, appearing on the sponsor lists of eight of the 36 groups analyzed. Good thing you didn't go to work for the biggest supporter of open source software making open source software that could benefit them, cause that's clearly a conflict of interest for them, and it would have been unethical. Right? No poll. Nothing. Discuss or not, I don't care... I need to sleep. If it's like rock, paper, scissors, then isn't it GPU beats MDC, MDC beats water, water beats GPU? Or am I missing something? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 MDC the GOD turned down a job at Google to pursue this lost change in couches business opportunity. I think that maybe, just maybe, he's put a little bit more thought into it than you. You only just heard of this business plan, versus MDC the genius, who know doubt has put in many hours thinking it through. If there was a flaw as simple as 'they already look in the couches for lost change' could unravel it, then don't you think a great mind like MDC's would have already thought about and mitigated it? Go on Michael, put this loser in his place, tell us why he's obviously wrong. Us mortals want to know how you cleverly get around a problem like this that would so quickly stump us. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You sure you don't mean... I have a solution, but I'm too tired to explain it right now... I'll post a diary about it 'Real Soon Now'TM. or... I once solved this problem and made a fortune doing it... only I've forgotten what the solution was now, and I'm too tired to remember it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... Does it show? Has my writing become that bad? I'll get some drugs in the next few days and be back to my old self, don't panic. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, I remember that story... Isn't that the one he's referring to above? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Funny you should say that... Old meth tits hid a bag full of needles in my clothes drawer once. I'm not sure they were all fresh ones either. I have no idea why she did that. I do find the occasional crack pipe... and luckily the condoms are at least still in their packets, not used or anything... I save them up, but never get to use them... I haven't met a girl who's refused to go bareback yet. When I was a young and wealthy contract engineer, I always had coins rolling out of pockets and falling down the couch... An ex used to say the slot machine was paying out again... so I am at least familiar with the concept. Nowadays I only go searching in the hope of finding a lost bud... but usually am disappoint. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 My Dad's just had his second hip operation... I still got a few from the first one... and looking forward to the next lot. Sometimes it's just a matter of having the right contacts... who'd have thought old infirm folks could be such fun! I guess if I run out and get desperate I could always knee cap him. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Wasn't there a guy who made quite a chunk running around with a metal detector in the streets of NYC finding small bits of gold, like earrings, other jewellery and stuff? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Now there's a job MDC could probably do... Though I'm sure if he were to think about it, he could find a reason why it's unethical or a conflict of interest or something... probably he'd blame and spam those greedy borkers who buy and sell the things he finds. Can always blame someone else if you try hard enough. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also... please don't use google... Greater minds than ours have reasoned it out that it is somehow a conflict of interest or unethical or something... We know this, cause many questions that could be easily answered with a simple google search often stump our resident genius. I was going to ask my attorney, but apparently if you have to ask if it's a conflict of interest, then it is. That's all the logic I need to know. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Is anyone else worried about LilDebbie? Has anyone noticed the distinct lack of LilDebbie around here lately? Quite frankly I'm worried about him. I think he might be dead, possibly from space suicide. With him losing his job, and then making that awful attempt at writing scifi, maybe he's gone into a depressive space spiral, maybe he space killed himself? Does anyone know him in IRL? Can anyone space contact him, and let him know that although he might have failed in life, that there is still space hope, that he should try and space push on through, and that brighter space days may still be ahead? I read the first chapter of his book, and goddamn, I was nearly ready to kill myself by the time I got through it, it was that fucking stereotypically awful. I couldn't imagine what it would do to someone who read the whole thing... They could make it a new form of torture at Gitmo - read this book and we won't rectally force feed you! Imagine what he must be going through... he didn't just read one of the world's worst examples of scifi... he fucking WROTE it! I forgot to mention: space poll --> Don't space miss out. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You say that... but your vagina still tingles for me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL I didn't even think to look for a second chapter, so I never realised it wasn't available. I thought the whole thing was available online... I just wasn't going to waste my time waiting for it to become engaging. Yeah... fair review... though I missed this diary at the time. Poor Debs... all that sense of superiority wrenched away from him, at such a young age, just by losing the one job he thought he was better at than everyone else. Maybe one day he'll see the light and realise that government assistance is beneficial, even to those who currently have employment and think they are un-unemployable. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Oh, so now he's an author, he thinks he's too good to hang out with us now? Well space fuck him then. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Another K5 user demonstrates Dunning-Krueger... It's like DK writ large here. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course money can buy you a healthy liver... Not necessarily legally... And some people have moral problems with it... And where the free market doesn't work... well, there's always the black market. Lot's of people are happy to volunteer other people's livers for the right price. It's just supply and demand. So yeah, money can buy you a liver. Just saying. Probably want to keep it on the down low if you go this route though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 A knife can get you sex too... Is all I'm saying. Is that considered P2P trade? It would be 'a' market... not the 'free' market... only the 'free' market is considered 'right' though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ahhh... yes... this is free market thinking that people enter trades voluntarily. Which means you can't get sex with a knife, and the cheap mafia provided livers are out. Interestingly, even under free market assumptions (consensual, no externalities) money will still be able to buy you livers... Even though you can't live without a liver, some people would still voluntarily enter into an agreement to trade their liver for a given sum of money... Say, they would lose their life, but they know their children will be well off... free market economics suggests that we should allow these people that option. (So, would you, for example, be willing to give up your life if you new your child would be a billionaire? Some people definitely would). Again, some 'do gooders' have made laws that say people don't have the right to enter into these contracts, regardless of their own desires. Honestly, I'm not 100% sure where I stand on the issue, if people should have the right to sell their livers or not... I'd be happier if there was a good clear mathematical argument why they shouldn't, but there really isn't... it comes down to 'gut feeling'... some arguments about the poor will be exploited by the rich, like that doesn't happen in every single other facet of life... so either the 'gut feeling' is wrong and we should allow it, or we need a better microeconomic model. With kidneys though, where you can live with just one, I am far more in favour of free market kidney trade, but I know it's not a popular point of view. (still not 100% sure but more like 85%... people will sell their kidneys, spend it all on crack, then need a new kidney, but can't afford one... it does get messy)... I wonder if full liver transplants are required though... or if partial liver transplants can ever be used... The liver is one of the best regenerative organs in the body... You can remove like 60% of it or so, and it will grow back to full size and function and be fully healthy in quite a short amount of time. Given that society has ruled out allowing individuals to freely sell their own body parts*, one thing that seems to work quite well is giving transplant patients priority in the organ queue to those who are themselves organ donors (ie, agree to donate your organs after death, be first in line if you need an organ)... and those who aren't organ donors get relegated to the end of the queue. That and making organ donation opt-out, rather than opt-in... If you don't want to be an organ donor, you have to go to the government and sign a form saying you won't be an organ donor... whereas in most places it is currently the other way around. I hear china just uses convicts, they mostly waste their livers by being in prison anyway. *: The girl sitting next me doesn't even sell her body parts, she merely rents them, and people still judge her and if the police catch her, they'll put her in prison for it... it's a crazy world that doesn't respect the free market, hey? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You see... when I go to fuck high class porn stars I always tell them first that outside of our fucking, I'm going to be masturbating on my own porn stash and be getting blown by low quality crack addicted street walkers on the side. I always get my fav pimp to double check the arrangement so that I know I'm not going to get unexpectedly pegged... and if everyone's okay with it, I go git her done. Standard CYA protocols... It's up to the porn star if she still wants to go through with it or not, or if she sees it as a conflict. Plus, might get a three way. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You had me going, then howling devoting every waking minute to research into economics, physics and mathematics. ROFL. What? Fantasising yes... researching, not so much. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 howl R ur pro grams goin two deel wif teh kindof amber guierties dat use soe ee silly cum prehend? Thay well knot is howl. Lonley Neural Networks kan due dat. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 But a formal language cannot do that either... so that's not a decent argument. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 He's clearly well into the manic deep end now... Not long before he starts handing out essays and they have to arrest him again. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, you expect the chickens to come home to roost. The same way you should expect your bad actions to come back to haunt you. Like that cheating whore bitch who's going to wake up in the early hours of the morning to find she's been tied to the bed, doused in gasoline and set on fire... boy will her chickens have come home to roost! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The Signal to MDC ratio here is approaching zero $ That is all. I said that is all... fuck you. Poll --> It might be a manic phase $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sounds like a classic case of mania $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Back into depression $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Rape $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Starting this site Been procrastinating with the feed routine with all that meating, on K5 whilst trying to fall asleep between fuckings. procrasti@keto:~/src/food$ ./food.py Ingredients: ['tomato', 'cheese', 'snow peas', 'kale', 'mushroom', 'spinach', 'eggs', 'red onion', 'salmon', 'pepitas', 'mince beef', 'lettuce', 'almonds', 'kidneybean', 'brownonion', 'tuna', 'butter', 'milk'] Mins: {} Maxs: {} Goals: ['A', 'C', 'potassium', 'carbs', 'calcium', 'iron', 'protein'] Totals: {'A': 0.0, 'carbs': 0.0, 'potassium': 0.0, 'C': 0.0, 'calcium': 0.0, 'iron': 0.0, 'protein': 0.0} trials: 9999 learning_rate: 4.5173345977 amounts: [0, 110.27983690675595, 111.99121896807983, 0, 336.52388828681825, 33.32157899843512, 0, 0, 0, 10.493562091077022, 427.8018908957401, 0.0010958083669174298, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.00033916011916981716, 0] outputs: [1.0001155124493069, 1.0000365588067597, 1.0000097610507062, -0.9999856437306759, 0.9999976232224799, 1.000008863119184, 1.401358763406663] cost: 2.37677752013e-06 cost_grad: [0.1, 0.1, 0.1, 0.1, -1.0, 0.1, 0.1] momentum: [3.554543705276473e-05, 0.00010145489468337417, -2.468993974791064e-05, 0.0002102904398200622, -8.475189655012043e-06, -0.00010434043086608377, 7.511076662787479e-05, 0.00018729039110444717, 8.671454217147657e-05, 0.00013365102748770898, 5.5857421033364335e-06, 2.823201275130819e-05, 0.0003369125250010183, 0.00025228345999460714, 0.00018729039110444717, 0.0002524458720559683, 6.200996965203711e-06, 6.598971850322932e-05] grad: [7.882539682539683e-05, -0.006071494949494949, 0.0005555858585858586, 0.003088320346320347, -3.8672438672439125e-07, 0.0013789235209235207, -0.0001399971139971139, -0.0004596998556998557, 0.0002781443001443002, 9.925829725829742e-05, 1.500721500721536e-06, 0.0012165396825396825, -0.0026132121212121212, -0.0008288840788840787, -0.0004596998556998557, 0.00026782539682539683, 0.0002491298701298701, -0.0014286002886002886] Food Amount kilojoules carbs protein iron calcium A C potassium cheese 110 1859 1 27 4 79 22 0 108 snow peas 111 168 5 3 17 4 24 80 439 mushroom 336 309 10 10 9 1 0 13 1056 spinach 33 32 1 0 5 3 62 15 185 pepitas 10 237 1 2 8 0 0 0 84 mince beef 427 4547 0 81 64 21 0 0 1625 Totals: 7154 19 126 110 109 110 110 3500 Goals: -20 90 110 110 110 110 3500 It's basically the smallest amount of food you can eat ignoring kilojoules, and just satisfying as many of the constraints as possible. There are lower calorie dites... for example, the spinnach, salmon and cheese diets... but I've decided kilojoules has to be an L2 regressor and adding that next. It's pretty mad the different diets it can throw up depending on optimisation parameters... say, depending on what you've eaten... or what you wont eat. I want to add more food... create a website? Dunno... I know you're talking about keto in particular but, i don't think dieting is ever going to be just a fad or a cult... and lots of people have genuine reasons to be either low on carbs, or sodium or maybe cholesterol or fat... whatever way you decide to optimise your diet, this helps you find food that fits those requirements... I think there's a market. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 +3 Insightful... I wish I had sockpuppets. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yep, I've been following this, and I've studied DNNs (Deep Neural Networks) and DBNs (Deep Belief Networks)... Okay, so, what are DNNs doing, fundamentally... Well... each neuron basically divides the hyperspace into two classes, divided by a hyperplane, call them true and false (for simplicity, neuron on is true, and neuron off is false)... you can have many such divisions, one for each neuron in a layer, these neurons create another hyperspace and another layer can take that as input and carve up the space to form more complex categorisations... all seems good. Let's drop back to a one dimensional example... let's say we create a few classes, poor, middle and rich... We kind of know that there is a correlation between a persons height and their wealth... it's not so strong as we could imagine here... but let's go with it anyway... and anyway, we're training a probabilistic deep neural network on only one parameter and trying to guess what wealth category a person is in... we're not always going to be right, but we'll be right better than chance because there is a correlation. Now, our training data is just a giant list of people's heights and their class... we train the neural network and then we ask it some questions... We say, here's a 4 foot person and the network responds, most likely to be in the poor class... We say, here's a 5'5" person, and the network says most likely to be in the middle class... we say, here's a 6'4" person, and the network says most likely to be in the rich class... Exactly as we expected... the network appears to be working as designed.... then we run a variant of the above experiment on it, and we try to evolve heights that maximise the confidence of the categorisation of each class... So... for the middle class... say 5'3" gives the highest probability of the being in the middle class... sweet seems to work... Then we evolve an artificial height for the rich class... and the network says a 700 foot tall human is almost 99.999% likely to be rich... and for the poor class... it produces an image (height) of -200 foot tall person is 99.999% likely to be poor.... Shit... what happened? Well... if you did just linear regression, and you see correlation, you max it out and the taller the person, the richer they were... or in case of classes... the more likely they were to be in the rich class... It's producing an image that's well outside of the training data... the network has never seen such an image, but because all it does is produce dividing lines between classes, it thinks it is well and truly into the rich (or conversely) or poor class... It's a long long way from the dividing lines, so it sees it as good. And with deep neural networks... well... they have no way at all of telling what is and isn't outside of their training ranges, because all they do is divide up the hyperspace into discriminatory categories with hyperplanes... with no concept of how far or close the different categories have to be to these hyperplanes to be meaningful. And the dimensionality is so high as to be near impossible to create artificial images to act as boundaries... Now... the above example has three classes with a one dimensional input... so the middle class actually has to be reasonable... but in actual images, this is very unlikely to have a fully enclosed class like this (dimensionality)... so we see yellow school busses have black and yellow lines... the network sees black and yellow lines and says this is definitely a school bus... more school bus than anything I've ever seen!! (We'll, not really, but gives a super high confidence rating for an image that is well outside it's normal training data --- and this is what they mean by neural networks expect the probability distribution of their data to be stationary... this data is well outside the training regime... but DNNs have no way internally of recognising this!). Now... DBNs are little bit better in this regard... they have a concept of energy or entropy (not to be confused with real energy or entropy as trane thinks, but just a concept borrowed from physics)... When they see a training example, they lower the energy of that point, and raise the energy around it... If you run the top two layers of a DBN back and fourth... what would the input be, given this state, what would the output state be given this input... it will move into the lower energy states... you can project this backward to the input and it will show you what it is 'thinking' about... it will show you the picture that would produce that state... they are called generative models. So, by holding the 'this is a 2' neuron high, and oscillating back and fourth, and projecting back to the image input, it will generate many images of things that it thinks are 2s and they will indeed all look like 2s. Now... DBNs haven't yet managed to scale to ImageNet levels, so it is conjecture... but because we know that familiar classes, classes in the training set, lie in low energy valleys, and the rest of the possible inputs lie in a high energy plane, it should be possible to distinguish an input as being literally unlike anything it has ever seen... it will naturally have a high energy... and therefore, it should be possible to say that whatever we classify it as... well... is only a guess... we can scale the confidence by the neg-entropy (encoded between the various layers)... So... DBNs should force such an evolving image creator, pixel level evolution or pixel back propagation image generation to generate images that are much more realistic and therefore DBNs should be much more robust to this type of adversarial image generation than DNNs... Unfortunately no one has run these experiments yet, as far as I know... Not even on MNIST (the standard mini digit recognition test)... I think if someone can show DBNs only classify digits that we think of as being digits with high certainty, we can show that they are more robust to this problem... but, as I said, no one's yet run the experiment... Then there's the small problem of scaling DBNs to ImageNet levels of complexity. That's the best I can explain it in one go... hope that helps. Let me know if you got questions. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I have a friend who's heavily into this... But I don't really understand it... He talks a lot about 'ontology': "Ontology is the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence, or reality, as well as the basic categories of being and their relations." So, I'm gonna take that it means the basic categories of being and their relations? And I'm still like wtf? Or is it about meaning or knowledge? Not even sure if it encodes stuff like that... what is meaning and what is knowledge, is knowledge just data? It's seems a bit like xml schema and document, no? Just the type of data and the data in it... So, how is that different from a relational database? Is it a format used to encode stuff about a webpage in a machine readable format so google can index it better? Is it meant for AI to 'understand' the web? Wouldn't it be redundant when we create an AI that can just read the web in natural language (and pics of course!)... Or is just a another standard people use to make programmable access to the web, just another API like SOAP? Is it just stuff like accessing amazon's book catalogue through a programmer's interface... or getting a copy or partial copy of their database? I really don't know enough to be able to say... I just don't get it or what it's about or why. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Bye Del... It was nice knowing you... Hope you enjoy guantanamo. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 That guy looks like he's writing in muslim! US please send him to guantanamo before he blows someone up! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think sye is a muslim sympathiser... You can tell cause she downvoted my comment to lock this obvious muslim terrorist wannabe up. She's also a foreigner... which means she's likely a muslim terrorist too. US please lock sye up in guantanamo before she blows somebody up! Shit's getting dangerous around here. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I used to be into fantasy role playing, bestiality, bsdm and necrophilia... then I realised I was just beating a dead unicorn. So... sometimes... yes. You win this round sye... but I got my eye on you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's really scary... Everyone's so fallen for the terrorist rhetoric that we have literally become worse than what we are fighting... Remember the old values of truth, justice and liberty? No... now it's censorship, spying and torture... If 9/11 wasn't an inside job, they couldn't have taken greater advantage of it... That was the day the world really lost its freedoms. Reddit is almost certainly owned by the secret services of the world... judging by their censorship of these proven and important topics... it's no longer in the realm of conspiracy... we know its a fact, but even reddit tries to hide the truth. I think the biggest danger of reddit is that it appears to be a free and independent alternative news site, run by the people for the people... but in reality it is a tightly controlled propaganda machine... I'm not sure there are decent alternatives (k5?). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 So much foolishness about now days, it's hard to imagine anyone's letting it go to waste. At the rate their going through it, I'm a little worried there won't be any foolishness left to use... but the critics say we're nowhere near peak foolishness yet... so who knows? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hey Sye Did you hear that HHD is fat and ugly? Just wanted you to know. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, but you agree Christopher was pretty hot. Little Chris Dorner sat in the corner, Shooting at cops to die, He stuck out his thumb and pulled out a bomb, And said, what a good boy am I. Then they shot him into little Chris Dorner pieces if I remember correctly. Oh well... at least he gave it a shot. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I was gonna say... None of my daughters ever made it past a few weeks before a quick trip down the clinic with their mums fixed that little problem. Phew... Might have been sons... who knows? I never stayed around long enough to find out. Byeeeeee! I just like the way you seem to get riled up by personal attacks against holly... just testing/teasing... teasting you there. As for the new spending bill... don't know anything about... reddit said 80c in the dollar go to repressing everyone in the whole world!!! Including americans !!11!11one!1... So... sounds pretty good to me. Carry on. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you want to fix the homeless problem, do it! Step 1: Get Rich Step 2: Buy a heap of housing Step 3: Give it to the homeless Until you can be bothered actually doing that, how about you STFU about what other people do with their property... M'kay? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's easy to be a little sarc monger... but... Do you own a home? Seriously? Do you own your own house or apartment, or do you rent one? Maybe you get housing benefit and live off the state? I'll continue once I have an answer from you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sorry... I don't remember saying anything about not using taxes to fund social programs... Where did you get that idea from? I'm actually all for it... it has good basis even in free market economics, assuming that the average person has utility in not seeing others starve or freeze to death. But you go on about the evils of property and the free market (PBUI)... but do you practice what you preach? I don't think you do... You probably have your own home, or at least are paying a mortgage on it, what's stopping you sheltering a homeless person in it? No... the free market (PBUI) is for other people to give up their property to shelter the homeless, not for upstanding citizens like you who deride the free market... you've got your own problems, your own family to look after... you work too hard to risk having unknown people in your house... why can't those greedy rich people give up their places? Some of them aren't even using their properties at the moment... See... this is the problem... when you deride the free market, you expect other people to give up their property, but for some reason, you expect your own property to have different rules... you actually like your own property rights... you just don't see yourself as being one of the rich people who should be forced to give up something... but believe me... you actually ARE one the rich. Personally... I live in a one bedroom bedsit... probably far smaller than the home you live in... and probably about 3 days out of any given week you'll find my couch occupied by an actual homeless person... often two... but go on, deride property rights... you're such a progressive. You've clearly thought this through more than I. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fair enough... Although progressive income tax is part of the solution, I'm gonna keep pushing wealth tax as well... There's a huge difference between income and wealth, wealth is power, income is fleeting... You can earn zero income and be very wealthy indeed, and vice versa too. Of course, the problem with these ideas are political... and who controls politics, the ultra-wealthy elite... not an easy problem to fix. So you clearly see the problem with strays, they cost property owners. It's not an easy problem to fix then is it? So, it makes sense that property owners have the right to exclude others, even if the property appears 'unused' to those who naively see an empty building. Other people, who have no stake in the property can still do damage and diminish its value. Why should the building owners have to pay for that? So, whilst I'm all for social programs and taxes... I don't think mocking the free market is the solution... Often the 'free market (PBUI)' is an excuse to avoid paying for negative externalities (privatise profits, socialise costs), but I'm not talking about that, and it's basically a strawman in a rational discussion... though you do so this line of argument (that this is the free market, and it's all good) often amongst those who stand to profit the most from it... It's not the argument of the economist though. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you'd actually been following along You'd have known that I believe the way forward is wealth tax and basic income... I believe this is well supported by free market theory. You're attacking a strawman... and I would have thought you'd attacked it, and had it rebutted, often enough to see the mistake your making... but apparently not. I'll repeat it one more time for you - I'm for a well regulated free market capitalistic economy, regulated to provide true information of products, adjusted for the existence of natural monopolies (these are subsidised, surprisingly enough), adjusted for the existence of negative externalities through pigouvian taxes (I support a carbon tax) and for the existence of positive externalities through pigouvian subsidies (education, health, justice, fire, roads and police should be subsidised by the state) with a wealth tax and basic income to provide for the effects of wealth concentration and inequality that will be increasingly driven by the advancement of technological capital capabilities replacing labour, plus disability and other benefits for those socially disadvantaged or who have needs beyond the mean. But go ahead... take the piss with your simplistic "free market (PBUI), jesus wants your oil" caricature of actual free market theory. Perhaps you would sound less like an idiot if you took a more nuanced view of the problems and stop painting me as a Libertarian nutcase. (Although I do consider my self a libertarian - just not the thoughtless "drill baby drill" or "let them eat cake" Libertarian). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Are you serious? I have immediate use for cocaine, bitches and I'm gonna go with a lamborghini of some sort... yep... that's my personal immediate needs... oooh... and a super yacht... gotta use one of them... And... I think I'm gonna contribute to society by driving my lambo around and sailing my yacht. You think this is going to get us to mars? I really do wish more people had a basic understanding of free market economics... it really does make sense... and not free market (PBUI) but a properly regulated free market, one corrected for externalities and imperfect competition... one where taxes and redistribution are applied properly... But, everyone's scrambling in the dark, being led by politicians who have been corrupted by the greedy, wealthy elite, pushing disinformation and twisted economic thinking... when the light switch is available to anyone who cares to study. Oh well... such are humans. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No YUO! aRe ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, seriously... You are one of the biggest retarded faggots on here when it comes to economics... you literally know absolutely nothing of the subject... yet you know it's "wrong" and that you would do it all differently, except you don't... you're a mid level cock sucking manager, following along with the herd acting in every single way exactly as the free market would predict... yet - omg free market sucks, I wish I was in communist russia working in the gulags cause I wouldn't do a fucking days work except because they pay me. Go suck your bosses dick you piece of shit good for nothing shit for brains asshole. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Fair enough... I should have known... greengrass is right this time... But... I'm gonna claim poe's law on this one. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Don't do it!!! It's a trap... He reels you in with promises of free lunches, gifts and prizes, but by the time he's done with you, you've a bought a bunch of useless timeshares in a cloud computing service!!! STAY AWAY! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... I suppose I just don't really believe in it. I never really have... on the other hand... I think it's still worth other people investigating... so I don't want to put too much of a dampener on you... It's the kind of thing I'd like to debate here (well maybe old days here) with multiple points of view and such... but I don't see the value in debating you privately... I might turn you off it, and yet, it might actually be one part of the puzzle... I'm just not so sure. That's about the best I can put it for now. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 read and replied. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The British Scare the Fuck Out of Me Okay, I can kind of understand why the Brits don't understand the right to arm themselves... Guns are scary, there can be blood and gore and yuck... it upsets their tea and crumpets, and besides, the local bobby is pretty nice, he'd never hurt anyone who doesn't deserve it, he knows how to keep the CHAVs in line, so we'd never have to defend ourselves... and everyone loves David Cameron and his big goofy smile, and ooh look the queen, wave children... we'd never want a revolution. But it seems to me the british don't care for their right to free speech either. It's the british thing to hold your tongue, only say what is correct, and to defer to your superiors. I have two examples... Firstly, trolling in the UK is now illegal. Here's our not so little clockwork orange apologising for all the nasty things she said. This fat scrunt made a reasonably attractive and successful feminist feel a little upset... the fucking monster!! Let this be a lesson to you fat shaming misogynists who pick on defenceless feminists... especially you ulgy fat fucking female fat shaming misogynists... you're just the worst! And I'd like to point you to this reddit post about a woman jailed for "supporting terrorism" oh noes! It surprises me that so many people support her being locked up... for EXPRESSING HER OPINION!! Seriously? You might be able to read my comments if you haven't set your hidden comments threshold too low. I thought freedom of speech was a pretty universal concept, maybe outside of china and north korea... but here we see the British have no tolerance for free thought and expression. I guess that explains HHDs low threshold for being trolled... Being mollycoddled in her safe space by Big Aunty, free from having to hear things that some people might be offended by... she's stuck her fingers in her ears and now all is right with the world. Unfortunately I'm not in a jurisdiction where she could have solved her problems by locking me up... ignorance will just have to do. Seriously Brits, if this is what you have become - GO KILL YOURSELVES! I hope a terrorist blows you up on a bus. You can lock me up, but you can never take my freedom (of speech!). The people posting and voting on reddit seem like a mob out of 1984... all yelling at their telescreens down with Emanuel Goldstein... I mean Runa Khan! KHAN!!! They've become that fucking stupid, they don't know the difference between speech and action. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 She has me on blasterbegone... Either she has a low troll threshold, or I am a master troll, king of the trolls, ruler of the troll universe. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I called the dumb cunt whore a bitch... That's why she banned me... Pretty fucking low trolling threshold if you ask me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 ok... Though I didn't say offended... I just said the dumb cunt whore bitch has a low tolerance for trolling and has put her fingers in her ears to avoid the truth. She's probably the type of idiot that supports locking up trolls and 'those who support terrorism'. I hope a terrorist blows her up on the bus if she doesn't kill herself first. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No it isn't... UK produced online porn can no longer contain images of face sitting or female squirting... and a handful of other consensual acts. Which is bad enough... But they haven't gone so far as to outlaw cunnilingus (not even in porn as far as I know). When I was still in the UK, about 7 years ago, I tried explaining to people how wrong it was of the government trying to outlaw simulated violent or risky, but consensual, sex acts in online porn, I used to get the dirtiest looks, like I was trying to defend child porn or something... people just don't understand the concept of freedom. A UK ex of mine was a genuine squirter... Only one I've ever known... I'm sure she'd be offended. It's a perfectly natural part of some people's sexuality. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're such a fucking tampon... I mean, you're a bloody stuck up cunt! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The top comment is about a guy having sex with a dude with breasts... I mean, how can 'she' have a dick? That's just wrong. If 'she' can put her dick in you, then it's a he! You're being fucked by a guy! You're just a normal gay dude, deal with it. I don't think no-op trans counts as trans... Any guy can put on a dress and get breast implants... it takes balls to get a full nip and tuck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 People go to hell in a hand basket... Not go to hell in one bucket... When they kick the bucket, they can go to hell in a hand basket. See? Simple. Please learn to English. It's not the tard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maybe that's why they seem to make so many bad decisions... Someone should tell them that the US constitution is written in English, not Chinese or Chinglish. Confucius say, he has gun has light to be arms. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 My emu's for petting, not eating. Though I've tried kangaroo, emu and croc... all pretty much taste of meat... all good. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah dude... I call him featherfoot... (Aboriginal medicine man). He's actually a bit of a nightmare... Took me a long time sitting near him to get him comfortable enough to eat out of my hand, then we put food closer to the house, then eventually coaxed him into the garden. Problem is, his mood changes are seasonal... So, normally he's fine... but when it comes to mating season he becomes aggressive... He attacked my mum (kicked her on the back of the leg) when she went to feed the chickens... and he'll chase the kids too (and could probably do a lot of damage). He's got a tiny bird brain though... so... if you walk away from him, he'll think it's a good idea to chase and attack... if you turn and run (or even just walk) towards him, he'll run a mile... I confused the fuck out of him by running backwards at him... How is he getting closer while running away from me??? Do I attack or run??? Anyway, we don't feed him anymore (there's plenty of food about he can forage for) but we leave some water around for him so he can drink when it's too hot... he still comes around by the house, but just don't encourage it... the kids still love the sight of him though. Oh, one last thing, I'm pretty sure he's mastered quantum teleportation... cause he gets into paddocks all the time, but we've never seen him get over a fence... only answer is he quantum tunnels through the fences when nobody's watching. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Street geologist is out of jail and sleeping on my couch again. We shot up some rock... well... quartz to be precise... pretty much like doing meth, but without all the high and skin picking. Kind of like rolling oregano went you can't get weed... the ritual or something. Otherwise pretty boring. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 She does... She just makes them into recycled vegetarian "meat" patties and distributes them to the poor. "People give a shit!" - Lauren Singer ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sorry dude... I got the password, I just can't remember where to log in? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yep... I've replied... As I said... it's a bit beyond me... but show me what you have, can spend an hour or two looking over it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 WTF is the privileged white feminist complaining about? Can anyone fill me in here? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You tell us... $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I only eat fish because scientist now assure me that they can suffer pain and fear. Are there any vegetable sources that could enable nutritional ketosis? This means you need a vegetable source that provides roughly 3g of protien for every 1g of carbohydrates at the most! Does any such source exist? If not, then what do you do about people like mirko who have medical conditions that require it? They should just suffer? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Can someone pass on a message to this retarded bitch that we're primarily a bunch of trolls here and that she should stop taking getting trolled so fucking personally? Or hasn't she caught on yet? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This looks like a great idea... Takes a lot of energy to make a brick... this seems the perfect solution, recycled waste and ready to hand materials that a community can easily make... could easily be streamlined and mass produced from recycled materials. Once plastered, rendered and painted you can't tell it apart from a traditional brick house... seems great. I'm not a civil engineer, I have no idea how these compare to bricks in terms of strength, durability... what the effects of temperature change and loads have on them... you probably couldn't build a multi-story complex out of them... but the single floor housing / community centre / shelter in remote poor regions, looks like a perfect fit. I expect these will be the new hippy construction material alongside straw bail builds in first world countries. It's not going to solve first world homelessness though... as tdillo pointed out, land is probably the limiting factor there. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If someone owns them, they are not unused... by definition. You have no automatic right to other people's property. If they could maximise profit by getting them rezoned and repurposed as cheap residential use, then they would. If they are unused, and they are just sitting on the land because it is cheap, maybe we could discuss how a wealth tax could be used to encourage this... but you wouldn't want to be 'mean' to the owners when you can just take it for free now, would you? In the meantime, squatters are of course free to use adversarial occupiers rights until a court / sheriff (I think that's how it works in the US) orders them out. I believe that adversarial improvement can also work in a squatters favour. Do that long enough, and they can own the property (this is true in the UK at least). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well you're wrong three times... Inflation will occur - learn to model free trade first (potato farmers and tomato farmers for the most basic model). An index doesn't fix it - so, see todo on point 1. What MCD said. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How many times has your bullshit been debunked? And you still keep posting it... Your index leads to ever increasing purchasing power, irrespective of the availability of resources. It is not sustainable or realistic. Thermodynamics doesn't describe the motion of atoms, it doesn't describe the photoelectric effect, it never predicted quarks... it isn't the grand unified theorem of everything... it just describes the limits on energy... that's the only place it applies, it just describes this one very small aspect of physics... that just happens to hold true everywhere we've ever looked where it is applicable. To break thermodynamics is literally to create energy out of nowhere... no one's done that since the big bang... and even that is debatable. Your economics is even worse. The way you argue is like the logician's wife... For example, given the premise, "all fish live underwater" and "all mackerel are fish", my wife will conclude, not that "all mackerel live underwater", but that "if she buys kippers it will not rain", or that "trout live in trees", or even that "I do not love her any more." This she calls "using her intuition". I call it "crap", and it gets me very irritated because it is not logical. ... I call it "crap", and it gets me very irritated because it is not logical. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your index scheme is a joke... Let me refer you to where you last failed. Unless you believe in ever increasing consumption independent of available resources... or state that explicitly. Your bull shit story... sorry,, I mean, ox weighing story, is an example of what economists call the wisdom of crowds... It is the basis of the stock market and the free market in general. It's how prices are set... everyone taking their own little utilities and guess at prices into account and shifting the market by altering supply and demand. It's exactly why the free market works so well. Everything else you talk about is purely your ignorance... you don't understand the processes being discussed, so they look like free energy and magic to you... but they are not. And whilst thermodynamics doesn't stop you printing more money, the effect of more money is a greater supply of money, which makes money cheaper, which means you need more of it for the same value of goods... this is generally called inflation. And using an index means you can't print more index... otherwise you need to index your index and so fourth. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Students of ancient greek philosophy should not be attempting physics from first principles on their own. Physics is not a toy, please ensure responsible adult supervision at all times. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's even worse than that... because we use AC they don't even send them for a whole lap around the circuit before asking for them back... in fact, (I can't be bothered doing the maths, but a rough estimate) they only send their generated electrons a few parts of a MILLIMETRE from their generators before sucking them back up again. Hey, here you go, that electron you wanted... lol, only jokes, I'm keeping it, you can't have it! They don't even let you borrow their fucking electrons they're that tight assed with them... and they have the gall to charge us money for their so called electricity... and we all know by now that money, thermodynamics and electricity are just a scam designed to keep us kissing the Fed's asses. Basic Electrons for everyone! Invest in 3D electron printers... End the curse of thermodynamic scarcity! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Best explanation I saw of this was our physics lecturer (he was great at doing physical analogies)... A long clear platic tube with coloured liquid in it... pour some other liquid in one end, liquid pours out the other. The liquid doesn't move fast, but the effect is nearly instant (speed of sound in this case)... Electrons (in a wire) move very slowly, on the order of centimetres per second or less. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Now I get Del's earlier comment $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL... I agreed with you, up until the last part. As for basic income and no min wage, I agree, this would be better. I just think basic income needs to be paid for and, as you already know, I think a wealth tax is the ideal way to pay for it. You probably need to adjust income and capital gains taxes too. Inflation is a problem in itself, at least too high a rate of inflation... if you're burgers cost $20 because they are 20 times more expensive than bread, then fine... if they are $20 because inflation is causing their price to double every few months, problems. I also don't think you can sustainably have an unlimited government debt. As an aside, benefits like free store credit aren't that great an idea... whole towns use to be owned by single companies, and you got paid in company credits, so you could only buy from the company store, live in company housing, etc... you see the problem. Now... as for not telling american's what to do... I disagree... Not because I think europeans should be telling americans how america should be, but because many of the problems america has would apply exactly the same in europe or australia... actually... you can imagine an ideal government/society, and that would almost certainly be the same if you were american, european, chinese, or african. Each of our cultures has its unique problems, sure, but that's because each one is its own experiment... and also, for example, there are many europeans who think that american style gun rights would make sense for europe, and many americans who think european style gun control would make sense for america... so these debates are still relevant, independent of where we are from or currently living. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Probably no min wage cause price of burgers to drop... with no food stamps, walmart prices might rise... if employees weren't forced to provide health insurance... probably a lot of sick employees. Some things should be subsidised... farming, health, education, basic income... these may affect the prices of burgers, in which way, depends on the specifics. Well... I'm not american, I have my opinions on basic income, min wage, drug prohibition, gun control, spying... and I have those opinions pretty independently of where I am... The US usually makes a lot of easy example cases... but they apply equally anywhere else, at least in the western world... I think the main reason you don't troll the chinese, is that you don't speak chinese. It seems you do have an opinion on pollution and running civilians over with tanks though regardless. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Prices are a signalling mechanism that show the relative ratios of supply and demand across all things... They have to be flexible to work... The price of computer ram changes, the price of oil, the price of bread and the price of labour. As a store owner, I want to maximise my own profit, and fuck you, and that is the right way because it actually (pareto) maximises utility for everyone... So, just because I raise the price of bread, doesn't mean I'm going to pay my employees more. Even if they were both indexed, if I can raise the price of bread relatively to what I pay employees, I will... then how the fuck is your index going to work, cause it's attached to the price of bread? These indexes don't 'work', they are a stop gap, work around at best... if they worked... THEY WOULD BE MONEY THEMSELVES! Because there is no such thing as a global index saying how much things SHOULD cost... because what they should cost depends on supply and demand, and that's it. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Do you even see the contradictions you are writing here? The problem with you is that you are trying to apply macro-economic principles when you don't even agree (or understand) with the micro-economic principles behind them. This is exactly the situation you have where you misunderstand current in quantum electronics (photoelectric effect) because you don't understand the principles behind classical electronics. Here's one contradiction - If the price of oil falls, people spend less as a percentage of their income on it, but if the price of oil goes up, they don't have to spend more, because INDEX... you can't see how seriously fucked up this is? Either they spend less when it goes down and more when it goes up, or they spend the same when it goes down and the same when it goes up, you can't have it both ways. And you talk about purchasing power from income... even with an indexed basic income, someone getting wages will lose purchasing power if the price of everything goes up, but his wages don't. Do you even know how inflation is measured? It's the price of a basket of goods... what you include in that basket has a huge effect... are you going to include bread, oil maybe... you could just make it the price of a 1957 megabyte of ram... imagine how the fuck that would work out... indexing your wages to that fucker... remember what I told you about the relative values of ram over the years? What you are trying to do is make the total value across the economy of your index equal a constant... which is fine, that could be done... but you can't then just print index money (because you've already decided to somehow make it a constant)... you can only redistribute it... so if you give it to one group, where is it coming from? That's exactly the effect of inflation... if you give money to everyone as basic income to maintain their purchasing power, it comes from whoever was holding it before hand in inflation, their dollar savings become worth less... You really have to go back to micro-economics, model that, and realise that the law of supply and demand applies to money just as much as it applies to apples and oranges. You're in over your head... Trying to jump to macro-economics without understanding the fundamentals of micro is like trying to understand quantum electronics without understanding classical electronics. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm not hand waving, it's that you're a fucking idiot... Price of oil goes down, you can buy more of it, price goes up, you can by just as much, goes down, you buy even more, price goes up, you keep buying the same amount... You've got a model in which you can go on buying only more and more of stuff, never have to buy less... regardless of realities how much is actually available. THIS IS FUCKING MADNESS on the level of MORE ELECTRONS IS MORE POWER. Please STFU... you're too fucking stupid or unwilling to understand this stuff, please leave economics and physics to the adults. You're not worth talking to until you've passed microeconomics and a basic electronics course... go fuck yourself retard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I like UBI. It's not a bad idea, but it's a fucking shame that K5's resident UBI advocate is an economically illiterate, free energy and anti-scarcity fantasist, and complete fucking moron. He makes the idea look like a joke. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dude... my laptop runs Vista Home Basic... When it updates, it gives you the ability to postpone it like old versions did... but only for 24 hours... then the reboot is forced... Okay, it's usually enough for me to save documents and prepare... but it's annoying as hell... Like you said it might be a reasonable presumption, but taking control out the hands of the user is a major UI no no. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... I agree... I should have said usually a major no no... as in, you would normally weight that high in UI consideration, but stupid average user might rate higher... I just want the option to delay the reboot until I'm done... but not gonna happen... and I suppose there's a setting somewhere that I could set... but I can't be arsed right now... Had to spend an hour and half trying to convince a paranoid crack head meth dealer to pass on a message to meth tits over the police turning up and all that shit... I'm tired. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Keep searching for why the computer rebooted... but, as I mentioned before, it is well worth looking into a snapshot/checkpoint process... A program that runs for 3 days can probably afford a few minutes to save the program state every three hours or so. You should look into pickle. It is python's serialisation library, which makes saving arbitrary object graphs relatively easily. pickle.dump(obj, file) obj = pickle.load(file) Checkpoint routines should be an integral aspect of any long running process... precisely because of situations like these. It's worth investing the time into them, and maybe even a little bit of optimisation. Good luck. Oh... and I probably won't work on this project... I don't know what it is... it might interest me, but probably not... Ants for me would be relatively easy work (I already understand the framework/principles), plus with the payoff of having an android app would make it worth while... If you were doing neural networks and/or Q learning, then that too... but I can't think of much else I'd be into right now... If you still think it might be up my alley, send an email to my k5-stats.org address... let me know, and I'll log in and have a read. Best. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Alright, I'll get around to this in the next week or so... I got to boot up my other laptop, bootup the linux vm, run the password decoder, then I can check my email... lol... sorry about that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sorry... Reset it to what? You wanna trust other kurons won't get in there before me? I'm still gonna have to use that decoder program, and that still means booting up my other laptop. I actually prefer the other laptop, it has 8G ram in it, and this replacement one only has 4G (the advert said it's upgradable to 8, but there doesn't appear to be another available slot!) which gets slow with a hundred tabs open... but that was the laptop that that girl fed beer to last christmas... I replaced the motherboard, but the screen no longer works, nor the mouse... I have to VNC into it... I got a new desktop machine with 16G, faster CPUs and a reasonable GPU, and I'll move most of the stuff over to that... but I only got that on Sunday. So, sorry for the delay, but that's where I'm at. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What, you think I owe people my attention? The desktop machine only just arrived, I got it so I can try out theano for GPU optimised neural network implementations... It's got large enough hard drive to move all my stuff onto... which is part of the plan anyway... I set that machine up, so the mouse, monitor and space I was using for the old laptop are now taken... I'll get to it in time... and I put a limit on that, which was generous enough that I'm more than likely to hit early... ie, managing customer expectations or deliver more than you promise. I've been putting a lot of focus into diet and exercise lately, and that's taking some of my time... to eat correctly, prepare food and get all my nutrients within my calorie budget. I just had the police at my front door, cause meth tits has gone AWOL and is at risk of losing her child until he turns 18... I didn't tell the police other people's names... cause that's not how we roll... so I'm doing the polite thing and trying to get in contact with them myself... So, excuse me if I have other priorities... And finally... have you taken a close look at my k5 handle? Any hints there dude? Procrastination isn't a subconscious avoidance of doing what is necessary or promised for me... it's a deliberate conscious decision, an entire way of life. I used to always be the last to post in diaries here... but no one seemed to get the joke. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If you were commenting on the 100 tabs thing that's normal for me, always has been... 20 windows with 20 tabs isn't unusual... It's not that I am using them all at once... I usually have 1 window per activity... so this is my k5, reddit and slashdot window for example... another for bitcoin, trade tracking software (that I wrote), localbitcoins, coinjar, bitcoin prices, and news... another window for neural networks... one for diet... one for guitar tabs... one for social media and email... you get the idea... I'm not using every window all the time, or even every tab in a window all the time... I got a load of reddit stories open that I'm interested in but haven't read yet... for example. If the software can do it, I push it... On a 8G laptop, it all fits in memory reasonably enough... on this piece of shit (with Windows 8 memory hog too) the majority of main memory is on the hard disk... so swapping becomes a problem... and I have to restart chrome... I have lazytab plugin that loads tabs on demand, rather than eating up my mobile internet every time I restart and also using up all my memory... I find it pretty damn useful way of managing my browsing. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, I specifically meant optimising serialisation. So, that you can do your checkpoints more frequently. You should have a good idea of what variables make up the state of your process... if you can have a single object that holds your entire state, even better... then just write a checkpoint and a restore function that uses pickle. Call the checkpoint function every few hours of wall time, or every N iterations or datapoints processed, % complete or whatever makes sense. If you aren't using pickle now when saving the output (is this the state by any chance?), then chances are pickle will be much faster... cPickle even faster than that. Seriously, it should be so straight forward, it won't take you a day to implement... do it in parallel to the current run on a test dataset, then give it a go. It's much nicer knowing that you can abort the process, then carry on from the last checkpoint without losing very much... it should become a habit with processes like these. I do similar things when training neural networks. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The line number you are up to is actually part of the process state... even if it's not part of the output state (or result) (cause then the line number is implicit)... you have to capture these too... even if you have to create a new object like MyProcessState, and initialise it every time with references to all the required data it should be trivial... it's not very hard, and I have faith in you. For restoring, you can take a command line argument to the checkpoint file... if you include all the other relevant command line options (input data file, etc) in the saved state, then you won't have to provide these on a restore. You'll find having checkpoints can come in handy during optimisation too... if the process is half way complete, and you find an optimisation that runs in 70% of the time... you get a win by stopping the current process and using the optimised code for the last part... whereas you wouldn't get the benefit otherwise. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, it almost never makes sense to rewrite... though we all think everything should be rewritten, it usually never has the payoff we expect. You should have test code by now, a good idea of data structures and control flow, etc... Refactor, profile and optimise is almost always preferable. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Add it anyway... It's good practice for your next long running process. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 It's people like this that get me trolling and banned from dating websites. sud? da fuq dus dat meen? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This has to be one of the stupidest rules they have. It's a dating website, what the fuck do you think I am here for? To start a sexless marriage with someone? wtf? As my late gf used to say, a piece of wisdom I carry with me, 'start as you wish to continue'... sage advice. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, thanks... She was a true gem... had her faults, but don't we all... but loyal, caring, intelligent, artistic, funny and sexual... not at all like the selfish sluts I've been interacting with since... (well, since I came back to my home town... I had plenty of opportunities with the girls who were our mutual friends before she passed, and they were also pretty cool - but having to re-establish a social circle and all that... let's just say, it's been interesting). She passed 3 years ago last week*. First year was horrendous, I cried nearly every day... Second year I was still pretty depressed, but not so emotional... Third year still not very motivated, but grown used to the new reality I suppose, I can handle sleeping on my own, actually enjoy my own space, I laugh, have fun, get exercise... Those selfish sluts did serve their purpose (they weren't all bad, just not the same quality). Third anniversary of her passing was hard, but didn't move me to tears, just a very sad thing, not the end of the (my) world anymore. *: Actually, just noticed you commented in that one... My dad gave me good advice when I got back home, he said, one of the hardest things to deal with is that everyone will forget and move on much faster than you will... Just one of those things you'll have to accept. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... that might be a bit of hyperbole... Though they were all mostly meth and heroin addicted street walkers and prostitutes... I dunno... I just kind of fell in with these group of women... maybe because I was someone they could talk too? They kept me company, I gave them somewhere to shower and sleep, to be safe and warm, and somewhere they weren't judged, I suppose... Had a lot of fun, free sex, strip shows, drugs, sometimes drama, sometimes laughter... sometimes jealousy, and then other times set me up with their friends... has been a weird time... I think maybe, misery loves company... and at that point maybe my life was fucked on a similar level (but different way) to theirs... difference is my problems were kind of more temporary... theirs continues on. I dunno... selfish slut is a reasonable description for someone who charges $450/hr for a porn star experience (which is just a euphemism for anal, but whatever)... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... although they were working girls... I never paid them for sex... so I never got that empty feeling that I was buying their affection... it seemed genuine to me. And actually, it never bothered me they were sleeping with other guys, cause I felt that cause they were getting paid for it, it was meaningless to them... Odd... I know... I wouldn't have even thought that of myself until it happened. Though I didn't feel like I owed them any exclusivity either... after all, I didn't get it... but at least with one girl, I was getting so much sex between her jobs that I wouldn't have had the energy to fuck any of the others... we barely had time to eat! There was a lot of drama and jealousy and strange infighting between them every time I changed girls... but that was just part of the dynamic... like I said, strange times. I actually kicked them all out about three months ago after one of the girls came around with this super strong meth and I spent 5 days and nights sitting in my chair wide awake from just a few minutes puffing off a pipe... I had two other girls there... one with extremely nice legs and ass showing them off to me, and another on the floor flashing her pussy the whole time. But I just felt like it was a bad trip, I realised I'd spent two and half years not accomplishing much... I decided it was time to normalise myself again... and had a bit of a fear that if I kept hanging round them, I might actually get into the drug (although I wouldn't say it was enjoyable)... and there's no way I could function like that, so addiction to it would just be the end of me. That was the fear I had... maybe ironically, that was paranoia caused by the drug? The girl flashing her pussy wanted to blow me, but I just didn't feel like it... like she was too messed up to take advantage of... and so, I haven't seen any of them for about 3 months now... except the chick who gave me the meth (everything's always back to front)... but she looked like she was fucked up (scabs everywhere that meth addicts get from picking, that she tried to tell me were mosquito bites)... I told her to blow me and fuck off, so she was only here for the day about a month ago. There's about three I actually do miss, a couple more I consider friends, but everyone's kind of scattered now (moved to different towns/cities... at least one in prison... the porn star... who knows)... I just think more normal people might be more my thing for a while at least. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Although it might sound like it, I'm neither sex obsessed or a drug addict... it was just how it happened with these girls... As for drugs, I've tried most of them a few times, but never been addicted... except for tobacco... and I smoke a reasonable amount of weed... but none in the last couple of weeks... I can take it or leave it... but if I can afford it and it suits my mood, I'll smoke. Also, I'm not unemployed or on welfare... I wrote a trading program that keeps me fed with little effort, so I got a lot of free time, probably why I attracted these girls... cause their hours are odd and also have a lot of free time and no conventional jobs. Still... not making a load of money, so considering going back to work next year. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well, I'm Australian, we don't have gun rights either... Although, having access to a farm, I personally do have access to rifles and shotguns. It was a bit of a piss take, of course, at the time there were those shootings, and Holly was literally being irrational about the whole thing... basically abusing statistics... so it was a poke at the english pov. Personally, I'm not 100% sure either way... I don't think owning a thing is the problem, it's how you use it... I can murder with a knife too. I also think the argument against government tyranny is a good one, maybe the polite society angle and especially the right to self defence. (You will be refused a gun license in Australia if you claim self defence). On the other hand, when I was in America, some homeless guy threatened to shoot me, and I considered it a credible threat... and after a night out drinking, I was a passenger being driven somewhere, and someone cut us off, so I leaned out the window, pulled the finger and shouted some expletives, and everyone was like, what the hell are you doing, they could have guns? So... sometimes, it's nice to know when I'm down the street pimping that I'm not likely to get shot, and being a reasonably tall and fit bloke, I don't fear getting into a fight... but I think if I was smaller or a woman I would like a handgun for protection... many of the girls carry knives, screw drivers or hammers instead... and that just doesn't seem to be as effective. All up, I like the American constitution (as it is written, not necessarily as it is implemented), I think it's a fair right for people to have... I think misusing a weapon should carry a very harsh sentence. Also, I'm not so naive to think that actual criminals in either Australia or Britain don't have handguns... I've been offered them in both countries, and know where to source them... but I have access to legal weapons and use them for legal purposes, but I'm privileged, so it's not really a personal issue for me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think the real cause of violence in inner cities is drug prohibition. Lack of jobs and options, combined with the lure of lucrative easy money from dealing drugs leads many into drug gangs... Being illegal, the only available recourse for bad deals is violent retribution... this also leads to turf wars and heavily armed thugs killing people. I've seen documentaries where no one in the public wants to talk to the police, because the police have become the enemy, so this stuff goes unpunished... Legalise the drugs, you'll bring the police back into the community and lower gun violence. Then people can continue their right to responsibly own arms. The samurai model, where you had a special class with special privileges, who were allowed to own arms and pretty much do as they pleased, is exactly why I think every person should have the right bear arms. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I bet that didn't stop them getting laid... or even the occasional bit of rape here and there... I mean, they were only peasants after all. Didn't the whole karate thing start there? Peasants weren't allowed to have arms, so they found a way to defend themselves either open handed, or with slightly modified farm equipment? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Zoosk rejected so many of my profile attempts: (Paraphrasing): Satanist seeking sexy sluts, sex workers, single mothers and schizophrenics for telepathic ritual sex... Your profile update has been rejected for being inappropriate You: Not Curvy. Under 30. Not a single mother. Not a religious freak. Want sex not friendship. Your profile changes have been approved Except, when I go to read it, it says: You: Good looking. Athletic. Must be looking for friendship. WTF? I try again, and add to the bottom of it: IF ZOOSK KEEPS FUCKING UP MY PROFILE I'M GONNA CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION. Your profile changes have been approved Finally... So, after a few "hello's", "nice eyes" and "hi sexy's" with no replies, I send "Can't you type you ugly fat cunt" to some chick, and my account gets throttled... even though I'd actually started a few pretty close connections with a few girls by being rude... cause they always defend themselves, but once they start talking they're invested and you can leverage that. So, I cancel my subscription, and then a day later, they lock my account out completely. Now they won't even answer my support requests... and I still had 4 months left on the current subscription! It's like these websites are run by castrated males, white knights, beta's or even ugly fat feminists with an agenda. Why are they dictating how people interact? It's like enforcing beta behaviour on men... if being rude doesn't work, the women can block the guys and the sexual market place will sort itself out, but no... it's not enough to be what the women you are chasing would want, you have to be what the owners of the website want you to be too... I got into a few interesting discussions there saying that it was quite likely I was missing out on the type of girls who may have been in the same situation as me... and forced to write boring drivel like 'Looking for a nice man, who wants to take walks on the beach', instead of 'Seeking six foot tall stud with six pack for strange sex'... so it's really desexualising everybody... and forcing everyone into this weird 'nice guy/girl' behaviour when we aren't looking for that. These are the girls that start messaging you every day, and planning when they can get some free time to come visit. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, I dunno... an ex recommended zoosk to me years ago... so I thought I'd give it a try... I actually had a fair few connections on there (but no dates)... so losing them was the big disappointment... maybe 'fat ugly cunt' was a bit over the top... but a ban seemed disproportionate... So, I signed up to POF when that happened... but I haven't actually started using it... spending time now on improving myself and mostly ignoring women... which has lead to me getting randomly eyed up quite a bit more frequently... usual paradox with women, only want you when you don't want them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, they don't like it... but some women love the drama... call them a name, and they'll get all angry, that anger is just emotion and drama, and they come back wanting more... I'm not going to pretend I understand women, or even individual women, but sometimes they act paradoxically like that. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL... funny that... you might be right generally or it might be an American thing... I only dated one American chick (she was married so I didn't really feel right about it... I was young)... so one night out in Boston when the bar closed, and a couple of the others wanted to find another bar, she was like nah, it's getting late, we should go home, and I made the mistake of saying something like 'forget what the bitch says, let's find another bar'... The B word was too much for her, and she made a big deal out of it and that was it... on the other hand, bitch was married and cheating on her husband, so no big loss. But I've met and gone out with plenty of english and aussie women for whom the C word is everyday vocabulary... I mean, I remember one uk chick in particular (I still talk to her on facebook, and we still have a thing, from before my gf passed away... what can I say, I like redheads) who was always yelling cunt this, fucking cunt that, he's a cunt, she's a cunt... I mean... at the time I found it shocking... but now I like the kind of girl who can give and take the C word like they were saying good morning, how do you do. It's just a word to me, and I appreciate people who see it similarly. In aus, for example, it's normal to call your best friend cunt, and the guy you're about to kick the shit out of mate. An old friend of mine sent me a message on facebook recently - 'Happy birthday, ya old cunt'... and that's how I know he's a true friend. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, thanks... she's definitely cool imho... Unfortunately she has an 8 year old kid now... I imagine she would have reeled in the language a bit. I'll probably try and catch up with her in the next couple of years... when I get back to the UK next. But I do like people who treat words as just words and aren't overly uptight about them. I find that the real damaging words aren't generic swear words, but where you have to find something in their character or psyche that they are ashamed of and hit that spot... call someone's actions morally weak, or a girl who's cheating disloyal and selfish, or worse yet, a bad mother... that's the stuff that cuts... cause they know they own that flaw. It's not really something I'm proud of, but I'm quite good at that when I get upset, cause if you know me, I probably know you, and where your vulnerabilities lay... A person would rather I just called them a dumb cunt... cause at the end of the day, everyone's a dumb cunt really. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maybe not, I don't know... conjecture. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I wish you could know how stupid you are. I honestly don't think you could be more stupid... it's like dementia grade stupidity... crack head climbing on the roof to battle shadow people level stupidity... even if he gets to the shadow people, what's he going to do? Hit whatever the shadow is on? The shadow people are just going to move somewhere else! You're so stupid, that when I looked up you're so stupid jokes on google, they would have all been compliments to you. You're so stupid, that if people handed out Dunning-Krueger awards like they do Darwin awards every year, you'd get first, second and third place... every year! You're so stupid, you would frame them! You're so stupid, you think that if you swapped a $1M IOU with a homeless friend for his $1M IOU, you could both buy homes with them. You're so stupid, that when you read the recommended background for the money mooc, you downloaded a new desktop wallpaper. You're so stupid, you think an electric heater breaks the laws of thermodynamics. You're so stupid, you want to build a car that goes faster the harder you brake. You're so stupid, you want a basic income so scientists could research this idea. You're so stupid, Michael Crawford thinks your ideas are bad. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Hi, I'm Michael Crawford, and I have selected a wide range of affordable housing that you might like to consider for your new home. I've had a wide range of experience with many of the following homes. Let me show you some. Multi Story Living. If you like living in a tight nit community where all your neighbours are friends, you might be interested in this property. As you can see, it offers sturdy construction built to a high specification with both first and second floor accommodation available. Warm, safe and secure. This really is one of the best homes I've been able to find. Perfect for Pets Or do you perhaps prefer a more alfresco lifestyle? 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I understand, the other homes were for community minded individuals, and you're someone who values their privacy. I've checked the roof structure and it's in great working order. Features good storage facilities too. You Are Here If you lived here, you'd be home* by now! Spacious private homes like these don't come cheap. Made of the highest quality prefabricated materials and put together by highly trained artisans. Offering top of the line privacy, quality weather proofing, plenty of storage space and a even room for your cart. What more could a discerning gentleman ask for in a home. Perfect for the single man or someone looking to start a family. Well... if you haven't found a place you like in one of the above, I'm afraid you want something outside of my expertise. I hope you found something you like and recommend your friends to try my new home finding business. If you can find a better home elsewhere, you better be prepared to pay for it. *: homeless. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, holly has me on blasterbegone... She missed the fuglysgonewild episode... Tell her procrasti started it, I'd like to see her diatribe against me... I enjoy watching women complain about me... usually a good sign they want to fuck. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I prayed that Satan will illuminate his daughter Ave Satanas! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 EQE over 100% means nothing... it doesn't violate thermodynamics... it's not over 100% energy conversion... Let's define external dollar efficiency (EDE) as the number of coins per bill exchanged... For a $1 note you can get up to two 50 cent peices for a 200% EDE... in fact... with a little engineering you can get 100 cents, for a whopping 10,000% EDE... and for a $100 note, changed into cents you could get a crazy 1000,000% EDE... 1 Million percent efficiency!!!! WOW... There's no limit to the amount of money you can have guys! This isn't a theoretical impossibility, it's a financial engineering problem. You fucking retard... EQE isn't ENERGY EFFICIENCY! It's purely a measure of electrons to photons... Even if I agree that there IS NO LIMIT on EQE, it is COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS in terms of how much energy you can get out of a system in terms of how much energy is arriving on the system. LEARN TO PHYSICS FUCKWIT! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Can't you fucking read? You're asking for the equivalent of launching a rocket to space powered by throwing a tennis ball out the window... Just because you don't understand atoms, electrons and photons, doesn't make them magical... He's not assuming... people have tested this shit for decades. > at some point efficiency as defined for a solar cell exceeds 100%. While other efficiency definitions could go to INFINITY for all I care... energy in to energy out is the only relevant efficiency definition you need to worry about... and IT CANNOT EXCEED 100%... even if you use photons, electrons, 3D printing and basic income. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You have doomed Basic Income If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations -- then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation -- well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation. --Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington There was a slashdot article recently that said if people don't like the implications of a solution to a problem, they will deny the problem... I think this is highly relevant. Unfortunately for you, the problem is reality. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 CAN'T YOU FUCKING READ? CURRENT IS NOT WORK... IT IS (electron charge times) THE NUMBER OF ELECTRONS PASSING A POINT IN A TIME INTERVAL!! IF THERE IS NO VOLTAGE DROP, THERE IS NO WORK! ELECTRONS DO NO WORK IN A SUPERCONDUCTOR... THEY JUST PASS THROUGH A POINT DOING NO WORK... LIKE AN OBJECT MOVING IN SPACE, WITH NO FORCE ACTING UPON IT, CONTINUES TO MOVE WITH NO WORK BEING DONE. A CURRENT MOVING IN AN IDEAL SHORT CIRCUIT DOES ZERO WORK... BY DEFINITION. WORK = VOLTS TIMES AMPS!! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I think the problem here is that you are trying to tackle solid state quantum mechanics, specifically the photovoltaic effect, without ever having done any underlying theory of classical electronics. For example... your examples are based on short circuit current... which is fine... it represents an ideal at the limit... and you are correct, 1 electron does an amount of work and 2 electrons does twice the amount of work, and an infinite electrons do an infinity times the amount of work... unfortunately, the amount of work in a short circuit is always zero... so twice zero is zero, and infinite times zero is still zero... you are technically correct, although completely fucking useless. No work can be done in a short circuit, because the voltage is zero... and no work can be done in an open circuit because the current is zero. Current isn't work, voltage isn't work... the product of current and voltage (over time) is work. Like force isn't work, displacement isn't work... the product of force and displacement is work... PLEASE LEARN THAT in an electrical circuit P = VA... W = Pt. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No. Do I have to explain? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Random Seed? Really? You would generally run your whole simulation on a single random seed... sometimes maybe you need a couple of random streams, one for ant decisions, and another say for locations, so food always appears in the same locations regardless of ant species... so you can compare ant species. Maybe you didn't mean random seed... but it bothered me... Oh well... I'll explain my ant sim cause it's fun. It seems like a pretty trivial task, but it took me a couple of months... only if you try it will you realise, as always, a lot of the devil is hidden in the detail. I did it more or less purely for fun (and to improve my knowledge of MFC, cause I thought that was where the money was at, at the time. I'd only just heard of linux, and didn't understand its implications)... and wasn't following academic papers or anything... spent a lot of time watching real ants for inspiration. I had a few ant classes... One representing what an ant can do in the world... pick up food, drop off food, move a limited amount in a direction, detect scents, food and home, lay down scents. This limited how a strategy can interact with the world... An ant class to represent a species of ant, the ant strategy or decision making process... and an ant class to represent an ant visually... Model, view and controller, if you like. Make sure your ants pick directions uniformly from the unit circle, and not your underlying grid... otherwise they'll tend to either left/right and up/down or diagonals. Even better, would probably to use a hexagonal underlying grid. Still... track ant direction and distances in their own movement, not in the underlying grid. First principle is that ants can only sense their local environment... only the immediate or near immediate world grid cells around it... and can only alter the pheromone levels in its current cell. My ants didn't communicate, and an infinite number of ants can occupy a cell... I used two pheromone scents... one as they walked away from home, red trails, and one as they walked away from food, green trails. Making good back and fourth trails yellow. I've heard you can get away with just one... I'll leave that to others to figure out. Both work the same in principle, so I'll just talk about the homing scent. Scent trails are laid onto the world grid... Ant's leaving the nest start out leaving maximum homing scent... but lay less homing scent as they go... each ant keeps track of how much scent to lay down internally... this leaves a gradient for other ants to follow home... Scents decay over time... cause they'll exhaust a food supply and have to go searching again... as it is they'll all hang around an exhausted food supply until all the scent decays... I watched real ants and sometimes observed this behaviour too... so I didn't think it was a big deal. If an ant comes across a stronger scent than it is currently laying down, it can deduce that it is closer to home than it currently thought... so it can reset its internal distance counter and lay down pheromone as strong as the one it found. If the homing scent gets too low, it should head home a little bit... otherwise ants get lost... this doesn't apply to food scents. The two main modes an ant can be in are foraging, or returning food... While foraging, they follow the strongest scent towards food, and while returning food they follow the strongest scent towards home. If they are foraging and there is no food scent, they just pick a random direction and walk a straight line and occasionally change direction a bit... the low homing scent rule will force them to change direction and head home if they go too far. Otherwise they will be following a scent... either heading towards food or heading towards home with food... Every now and then an ant will choose to deviate from following the strongest scent gradient for a little bit... This is the main mechanism for straightening paths. There you go... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Thanks... it was a lot of fun... I know nothing of real ants... if they leave a lot of scent or not... it's just how I implemented it... I wish I still had the source code so I could do some more experiments... every small change leads to wildly visually different behaviour. I might still have it, but it's more or less likely buried deep within some folder on decade old backup CDs (I wrote a little utility called cdraid, that lets you backup onto M disks and restore from N, but who knows if any of the disks still work), stored in a pile of misc stuff in boxes, in a shed, on a farm... unlikely I'll be able to find it now. Like I said, I've heard it might be possible to do with a single scent... apparently real ants have a good sense of how far they've travelled and which direction, which means they might be able to find their way home without scent trails... again, they aren't real ants, it's just how I implemented them. As for the grid... well... I mentioned that because that was the first way I implemented it, and it just didn't look at all realistic with them all going up/down/left/right or all diagonally... it just looked wrong... so that was the fix... the ants have a real value location, but lay scents within a grid... In the early 90s I think I saw 2D simulation of water flow... water could enter a cell from one direction, interact with water entering from another direction, and exit depending on the interaction towards another... it just sucked on a square grid, but worked quite well on a hex grid... It would be interesting to see if that applied. No idea about ant neurons... I have no idea about real ants. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I wrote an ant swarm simulator back in '99... I still got it, and just ran it... I like it, it's kind of like watching a lava lamp with the pheromone trails turned on... Of course, it's nothing like real ants, just shit I thought would work. Unfortunately it's windows only (I wrote it to try out some aspects of MFC)... and even worse... I've lost the source code in the passage of time... If anyone wants a look, let me know... I'll probably have to put it on mumble's server, if I still have access and can find the login again... lol. In the meantime, here's some quick screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/Ommxg ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I've uploaded it to tempsend.com It's available for the next 24 hours... feel free to host it on k5-stats for others, if you like. http://tempsend.com/52E5B8AC4D ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I get a 404 / forbidden error downloading it... Can you add a ants.txt, just saying that it was written by me (procrasti), Copyright 1999? Just cause... I don't know. Have you run it? Pretty cool huh... like a lava lamp... used to run it for hours at night (drove my ex up the wall! lol... though she put that robot video up on facebook a few years ago, saying "reminds me of procrasti's ants" and her friends were like... yeah, cool... I remember the ants! So wasn't easily forgotten). Some features: - File / New - 100x100, 200x200, 400x400... starts a new world of the given size. - View / Show Statistics - How many game steps have run and how much food has been returned (one ant can return 1 food to home at a time). - View / Show Scents - Turn off the scents, it runs much faster without rendering the scents... and also slows down with more scents shown... I can't remember why, some optimisation in the scent rendering I did that gets to ignore zero scents. - It does most of its work in the windows idle loop, so while it will chew up 100% CPU on a single core, it doesn't actually slow your computer down. Some ant bugs: - Single threaded - It was '99, who could afford a multicore CPU back then? - Speed depends on amount of scent being rendered... oh well. One thing that's impressive with windows, is that a 15 year old binary still runs the same on modern hardware/OS today... Not sure an elf file of the same vintage would... feature/bug, I don't know. What do you think? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 ants.txt A simple ant swarm simulation for Windows. Copyright procrasti of www.kuro5hin.org 1999-2014. All rights reserved. You may run this software as you like. You must include this license along side the software if you wish to distribute it. ------- Thanks dude. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Cool... thanks :) $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Cheers... yeah, it's fun... You can add my name to kurons with known ant sim implementations now... lol. > I had to max out the resolution though, the default was way too fast. Yeah, machines were pretty slow back in 99 in comparison... there's no update delay... so... it's only going to get worse with time... though on my laptop, at max res and with scents it's still pretty slow. > You have a weird oscillation thing going on there though. Pretty sure real ants don't have that. True... it's only really noticeable on the high resolution... the species of ant in this version of the program aren't exactly what I described before... for example, they have a mode where they just head home when the scent gets too low (or they hit the edge of the world), rather than just going to where the scent is a bit higher and continuing on... and no matter what mode they're in, they'll wonder around randomly some of the time anyway... this leads to ants getting lost... now, I think (but not sure), that the random walk can sometimes leads them into little loops where the highest scent gradient leads to a point and not a path... so they'll oscillate around that point till they run out of scent and wander randomly again or another ant comes along and lays a scent trail... It might be also that when they are foraging without a food scent, they might try to go in direction of the lowest home scent gradient (steepest negative gradient)... I'm not 100% sure without the code. Oh well... it's not perfect. > And how many ants in the nest? I can't remember, it might change with the resolution... 50 to 200 or so? Just count them! lol. > BTW, do you own my box now? :) Like sheep.exe from years ago? I've certainly considered it... if there was ever a little app I wrote myself to trojan, this would be it... especially if it built a network swarm... a swarm trojan in a swarm sim... lol. But, no... I'm pretty sure it's quite clean... at least if there is something attached to it, it's not mine... assuming the machine I built it on was clean... I just grabbed it from gmail, so that would have caught any well known trojan (I assume) (and the file is well old, that copy came from an email I sent to my ex in 2006)... and assuming my machine here is clean... it should be clean. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL... it is a bit addictive hey... I used to watch it for hours... I kind of have a few stupid programs that I refer to as dynamic art... I know I enjoy them, cause I wrote them... and thought that was probably most of the enjoyment... but a few friends have said the same as you. Another program I have is my friend made some pics in photoshop... I put them together... it's like a kangaroo standing in a green, rocky, hilly mountain scene, at night... with stars... with rain falling down around him (I used about 3 overlays of rain updated at prime number intervals between 7 and 19 to get a semi-random effect) and a schizophrenic cloud that scrolls along the top and glitches when it comes back most of the way.... and the sound of rain plays in the background... I dunno... it's stupid but I really like it... it has a real dark sinister schizophrenic vibe to it that I really enjoy... and the kangaroo looks kind of evil... it's a python app that started out as an idea for a children's game (like an android app for toddlers to distract them for their parents)... but it turned out so dark it's just hilarious... I still plan to port it to android one day, maybe as a dynamic background... Just an aside... lol. Anyway... I was thinking more of the micro-oscillations you might see when the swarm goes foraging... and some of the ants get stuck. Yeah... the whole swarm does tend to operate in various modes... they all go out looking for food... they mostly all find none... running out of homing scent or hitting the edge flips their 'go home' switch... they all go home... maybe in the meantime another ant has found food... they all follow that ant... they gather the food... they run out of food... they hang around where there was food for a while... they all search away from home when there's no trace of food scent... they run out of home scent... they all flip their go home state... they all go home... and they repeat by all going out and looking for food again. Not sure that even staggering their creation time would change that behaviour... or if that type of global mode switching arises naturally. Even without an explicit go home switch I think they might act similarly when their homing scent runs out...shame about the code. I don't know if that's realistic at all... but that's what these guys do. I think there are many examples in nature where things naturally oscillate due to emergent phenomenon... Sometimes the ants I've observed are all randomly wandering about... and then other times they are clearly following a single trail... so I wouldn't be sure they don't have similar oscillations... Anyway... it's kind of hypnotic. Is your machine fast enough that the sim is too fast even with scents turned on? That must be a fast machine... as far as I can tell it's only utilising one core on my laptop... and it's pretty slow with scents. The file matches my local copy! All good in that regard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL... You're gonna have fun... it'll take up a fair bit of your thought time. If the ant knows where he is, and he finds food... he's going to know the shortest path to home, so the scent trail he lays down will also be the shortest path between the food and home, so they won't improve the path over time... you sure you want to do that? Also, if they navigate on a grid, you know the shortest distance between two points will be the manhattan distance, not the euclidean distance. Though it doesn't really matter... you're gonna try lots of different ideas as you go... the general framework is the main thing. Any idea of implementation language? I wish I had the code... I really do... If I find it at some point I'll let you know... but it might be more trouble than it's worth porting it from windows (I know longer use Visual Studio!). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL... I gotta admit... ant's are fucking cool... that's the scientific term ;) Well okay... I've done quite a bit in python... and some graphical stuff... I built a hovercraft simulator a couple of years back in python, after doing Thrun's AI course... I went all out and modelled from force on up... I can tell you an (ideal) hovercraft is fucking hard to control (in that, I've still only theoretically worked out how to make it stop at the origin, facing the right way in minimal time --- but not implemented it!)... Point is, I've had some experience building world models and views and stuff in python. I normally use PyTk (TkInter?) for the GUI... but that doesn't seem to have been ported to android... and as you know, from the schizo kangaroo story, I got an interest in getting python graphical apps running on android... I think PyGame has been partially ported... and might be an interesting GUI toolkit to use instead. I ain't promising anything... but if you like, we could start a python ant sim project (with android port) on github... and I can put a little time into that... I'm happy for it to be GPL too... but I think I'd like to have an app in the app store if at all possible. Always start with the model, and the model always begins with the World... and the World has an update function where all the fun stuff happens. Then there's the WorldView object, which has a render method... which shows the world in your GUI... I generally get an idle loop to call update then render... Ants.exe is written in C++... which is generally faster than python (depending on how much algorithmic optimisation you can do... so who knows)... but if you run the small world without scents, you'll see most of the time is spent rendering the world... so, who knows... maybe python can be plenty fast enough for this. Let me know what you think. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, pretty sure the oscillation thing is caused by them trying to find the steepest negative home scent gradient while foraging and the effects of random walks and other ants crossing their paths... You can best tell that this species does try to head away from the strongest home scent after they exhaust a food supply... when the food scent is gone they will tend to search for a while in a direction that tends away from home... Actually the oscillation could be overcome using a technique from neural networks called momentum... where they would tend to travel in a given direction, and instead of following the scent trails directly, they updated their direction to be more like the scent trails... Something like that... you can tell it's been a long time since I looked at this... Like I said, any small change to the strategy leads to wildly different behaviour... For a while I considered using DCOM objects for ant strategies... so you could plug in different ant species and have them compete... and people could write their own ants and compete across the internet... but you know... nah... ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Another bug: Apparently I have an off by one bug... I think sometimes a food item is created with zero food, and the ant that takes from it drops it to -1 food, and so on... but occasionally a food item will disappear, and ants can still get food from there... probably for infinity, or until the food counter overflows, and looks boring... oh well... doesn't happen often. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I contracted to the ESA back in the late 90s... There were posters for Rosetta everywhere... nice to see a project come together. I had to double take when people (on other sites) were saying this was the result of 10 years hard work... oh, you mean it was launched 10 years ago? Cause clearly people have been working on this project since before it was launched... You'd think probably the majority of the work, right? One thing I loved about that job was walking past other people's desks and listening to them discuss orbital mechanics, solar wind effects, liver diagrams and so fourth... completely out of my domain, but their shit sounded totally kick ass. Yeah... I still smile when I tell people I used to work in 'Space Division'... lol... of course my work was all just your usual boring software development... not rockets and shit... good days. Oh, they sent me to Germany for a while too, to work directly in an ESA office... I was paranoid as fuck, having spent the weekend in Amsterdam with my girlfriend getting fried... The German bosses scared the shit out of me... one big fat guy and another short skinny rat faced guy... something like Nazi stereotypes straight out of a WWII movie and I was some sort of lowly Jew construction worker, like that engineer chick in Schindlers List who gets shot by the Nazi when she explains that they'd have to rebuild their building cause they built the foundation wrong, even though it wasn't her, and she was right, and they rebuilt it like she said... I felt like I was trapped in that room with them blocking the door... They were real aggressive with regards to what you'd built and what was good about it, why you made it like that, etc... I've never had to defend my work so hard in my life... for a minute I considered just jumping through the (closed) window and making a break for it... but after my defence they seemed well pleased and started me on another project. Like I said... good days. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Very few people seem to understand money... Everyone uses it, but hardly anyone thinks about it... Weird. If you want to solve wealth inequality, tax wealth... how hard is that to understand? There will always be wealth inequality, of course, I'd say it's even beneficial... but only up to a point. Are we near or past that point now? Possibly... If it goes to far, it'll either be taxes, revolution or war. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Almost just as crazy... everyone should just like share man... you know? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 LOL... completely true... It's not a problem with the theory, it's a problem with implementation... The wealthy control the media who control the population who vote for governments that do what the wealthy want... So, no one's going to be suggesting a wealth tax in a way that the average voter is going to consider reasonable... Most people haven't even realised such a thing is possible. In fact, the people will vote for exactly the things you said rather than risk having to pay these unfair wealth taxes when they eventually become billionaires too! Cause at least 60% think they're just about to become the 0.1% as soon they get a break. The only hope I think is grass roots... I don't know if there is even much hope of that... but I do my part. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You're probably right... I wrote in my diary here a year or two ago about my day spent with the 1%ers... they are pretty wealthy by my standards, several large houses, nice cars, a boat moored on their personal jetty, shit like that... All of them jealous as fuck (didn't say it, but I could see it in their faces) as their neighbours $2M yacht went past... They weren't rich, they couldn't afford the neighbours boat... and the funny thing was, that was only the biggest boat that could go past their house, cause the bigger boats wouldn't have made it under the bridge and had to go around the other way... so even that guy probably didn't feel rich. Relative wealth is an interesting effect. I think this is the main reason wealth inequality can go on so easily... everyone sticks with people near their own socio-economic status. They may have more wealth than a few others, but damn they aren't as rich as most! As for the redneck examples... I dunno... cause I think maybe redistribute wealth tax as basic income or similar (negative income tax might be better, not sure)... so that answers the everyone or no-one problem... I don't really know the stats on the matter... just my observation that the average middle class person is worried they'd get taxed if they ever got rich, and vote in the interests of the rich, and not their own. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Exactly... > if you were to become wealthy by working hard, you'd want to be able to keep your earnings. And, if you worked hard to get an education or start a business and earned a lot of income or capital gains, you would want to be able to keep your earnings... but you don't, cause we tax income. Well... even with a wealth tax, people will still want to be rich... having a wealth tax doesn't imply you can't earn, save and have private wealth, or even large sums... Taxing it (at a moderate rate) would have little disincentive to own wealth, which is it's own reward anyway. The point though, is with a wealth tax, you can reduce income tax, remove estate taxes and remove gift taxes... all these things make it easier for the average person to obtain wealth, and give incentives for the wealthy to redistribute their wealth (if the first $2M is untaxed, cause we like progressive taxes, it creates an incentive for the wealthy to distribute their wealth somewhat, give $2M to each of their children, for example, and as a family, pay a few hundred thousand less in tax a year). Not sure if you were saying why people would be against wealth tax, or why people should be against wealth tax... so I answered the latter. As for defective products, I think natural capitalism (which is quite darwinistic) would take care of that, if we didn't give them free handouts when their products come back and bite them in the ass. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Haves and have-mores aren't the problem... It's when the top 1% have more wealth than the the bottom 90% that I think there might be a problem. I'm not against passive income... capital (machines, robots and AI) should eventually be doing all the work for us anyway... why not? I'm not against fractional reserve banking... I think it's a useful mechanism for growing the money supply with the economy. I'm not convinced about the federal reserve though, that its interests are properly aligned with society as a whole... and I'm totally against bailing out banks that fuck it up, they should be weeded out of the economy, like natural selection, and made to fail, or at the very least be nationalised and dismantled. I'm not against wealth, the more the merrier, for sure... and wealth inequality is a driving factor for capitalism and the benefits it brings to society... we need it, otherwise, why try at all? I just see that wealth naturally concentrates as part of capitalism. It naturally flows from the poor to the rich, and this doesn't benefit anyone but the wealthy. So private wealth should be used for the benefit of all... and you can't encourage that much more directly than applying a tax to it. It corrects that natural flow... which also means more equality of opportunity. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There's way too much here for me to answer so I won't... just some major points... If the wealthy and the poor lived entirely separately, there would be no problem... the poor could create their own wealth independently of the wealthy... basic economic theory says that's the way it is... but deeper examination shows the existence of things like rent seeking behaviour... that the wealthy have ways of extracting wealth disproportionately from the poor. The main problem with extreme wealth inequality is that it distorts democratic processes... When the wealthiest 0.1% own more than the bottom 90%, when they own the media, they can dictate their views to the population, who believe what they're told... and vote accordingly... the 0.1% wealthiest then own the society... which enables their rent seeking behaviours, etc... Now, you're right... the wealthy have all sorts of ways of hiding income flows... and are good at avoiding taxes... I think for a pure wealth tax, there are ways to make this much more difficult. And again, taxing flows is a disincentive, so it slows progress... as you pointed out... but taxing wealth has much less distortionary effect. So, it doesn't tend to slow progress as much... in fact, it gears private wealth MORE towards production for society... One last thing... (firstly, I wish more people had a basic grasp of economics, but that aside)... the big lie told by economists is that we CAN'T measure utility!!! Actually, we can't... but economists take it to the extreme and say we can't even compare two different people's utility... and in the absolute sense, this is still true... but actually people are very good at judging if one person is worse off than another... we have an intuitive feeling that someone's life is worse, and another's is better... I'm not saying this is an excuse for telling people what they should do, or for all out communistic material equality... but we can certainly know that on average, the guy begging for food doesn't have as high a utility as the CEO of a fortune 100... Just something to think about. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 99.x% of economists agree with microeconomics... Almost everyone agrees with neoclassical marginalism... that our choices are based on taking the marginally better option... this is the fundamental concept of microeconomics. Economists are still arguing over macroeconomic concepts... but if your macro arguments go against micro theory, you will lose here every time too... Say, let's base a society on where you have to pay to go to work, and the stores will give you money for buying things... so instead of having enough money from working to buy things, you have to buy enough things to have money to work... well... only crackpots like trane would consider this a good idea. One macro-economic concept, that many economists consider a great idea, is economic growth is a good thing (like you pointed out)... when you point out the environment, they say things like we need 'sustainable' economic growth then... not 10% but say 2% a year... Milton Friedman (a genius economist) said, "Anyone who believes in indefinite growth in anything physical, on a physically finite planet, is either mad or an economist". The concept of economic growth is a macro-economic principle, it's based in micro-economics, cause in theory everyone will be better off, and everyone likes being better off, so all is good... it works well where the population is small compared to the resources, which are large enough (though maybe hard to get) that they may as well be infinite... so these models have worked out well for an extremely long time... but they've completely ignored underlying physical reality... and now that we're pushing up against these limits in the environment, many economists are still pushing for more growth because it's the model that's always worked in the past. So... I say, you should have a good grounding in micro-economics... this isn't the aspect of economics that economists argue about... be more cautious of macro-economic statements. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Your view of econ is just too far from standard too make much sense of. The standard view of economics says that people won't pay voluntary taxes... or as close to zero people as to not make a difference... Have YOU ever paid excess taxes voluntarily? I didn't think so... see how that works? And yes, neither the private nor pubic sectors, create wealth when they create money... or even the interest on it... This just shuffles a bit of the wealth around. Like you said, wealth is the things people have (and services to some extent), not the money they have... So, it's the businesses that create stuff, or package services together that create wealth... the guy's who lend businesses money enable those businesses to create wealth, and they skim off some of that as interest, but they do not create the wealth in and of themselves. I swear, if everyone was given a $1B/day in basic income... you would be just as broke as you are now... and Bill Gates would be just as rich as he is today. Whether you can accept that fact or not... it's as strong as the law of thermodynamics. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Two reasons for taxing capital less than inome The rosy view is to encourage people to invest in capital instead of labouring, because capital has much greater returns to society than labour... remember, every tax is a disincentive on that activity... income tax disincentivises labour, capital taxes disincentivise investment. Seeing as you got to make your money somehow, we would rather see people invest than work. The cynical view is that rich people invest in capital and don't work. Ignoring that, both of these taxes are taxes on money flows... they both disincentivise those money flows... the money flow and the associated activities (both generally positive for society) decrease because of these taxes and slow down progress in society... now let's look at if they are fair. Say you have two guys, let's say both in their early 60s... and through either work or investments they both make $100k a year... you think they should both pay the same in tax, correct? What if one guy has $100M in mansions, boats, cars, art, investment, retirement funds and miscellaneous liquid assets like gold and cash, and the other guy is renting, servicing a $20k credit card debt and has meagre savings... Are these guys both equally able to afford to pay taxes? Is the guy with the $100M contributing to society as much as the broke guy? Does all that private wealth benefit society? Or does he actually cost society more in terms of say police and courts to protect his property, and public utilities to service his private wealth than the guy in debt. Personally, I would take it to the extreme (I know, not gonna happen for many reasons, some good, some bad), and never tax flows of money, only wealth. I would also tax all negative externalities... say carbon production, petrol (gasoline to you? and not because of carbon, but extra due to noise, accidents, congestion, road costs, etc), alcohol sales, waste and other such flows and associated activities that we do want to disincentivise. After that, it's a matter of looking at numbers, can these be made to add up? How much wealth is there vs how much money flows, etc. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Liquidity is good... it lowers margins I don't care that you don't consider it investing... there's money there to be made because they bring value... you just don't understand how... I've been through this one before, and can't be bothered to repeat myself again. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, he did no such thing... he profited by making trades available either faster for those waiting to trade, or at better prices for those who traded after him. It's in the fucking mathematics, it's game theory that is the basis of exchange queue theory... Think LONG and HARD about how the market operates, it is a QUEUE (or actually, a pair of queues, bids on one side, asks on the other), prioritised firstly by the BEST price, and secondly by the FIRST in time to place an order. Given N players placing orders, every additional player MUST MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT, or otherwise have no affect at all! To be matched the additional player MUST MAKE A BETTER OFFER than all the players before him. There is nothing (outside of insider trading and front running - which can be thought of as a queue prioritised in favour of a player, and is illegal, and requires a dodgy queue) that a player can do to make the market WORSE. He made profit by actually causing people to LOSE LESS on their trades... and that's the way it works. The people he traded with got a better offer than they would of if he had not participated... understand that very carefully. Of course, you only did the database work, and never really thought very hard about how the QUEUE matching theory behind market trading works... That's what I've been doing for the last several years... and I have never seen a reasonable argument against this... merely the usual argument from ignorance. Usually along the lines of 'he made money easily and I don't understand how'. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Where I said LOSE LESS, this is of course equivalent, mathematically, to PROFIT MORE. Wheat held by a farmer is worth less to him, than the guy who buys and holds it temporarily, and in turn is worth less to him than the factory that buys it, later in time, to turn it into breakfast cereal, which in turn is worth less to them than the retail store that buys the cereal, and in turn is worth less to them, finally, than the consumer who buys at the shop... Everyone along the way can make profit... and every one of them is providing 'value' to the person along the chain... whether you can see it, or understand it, or not. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Sorry to hear about your pet $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Simple answer, they have done... Why, back in the 1957 you could sell 1 Meg of bits for $3.48 billion in today's money... that's enough to buy the Solomon Islands, The Cubs, 250 Bugatti Veyrons and still have $400 million and change. Today you could only sell 1 Meg of bits for about $0.0085, that's not enough to get you a packet of Michael Crawford's Free Creamer... Think about it, if you had a meg of ram back in 1957 you could have traded it for islands, sports teams, sports cars and had enough left over for a lifetime of hookers and crack... today, for the same ram, you'd have to steal creamer... all in under 60 years. Anyone trying to store their wealth in available bits has had a terrible time of it due to all the unrestrained printing of bits that has been going on. Sources: http://www.jcmit.com/memoryprice.htm http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lifestyle/the-top-10-things-you-can-buy-if-y ou-had-a-billion-dollars-2/ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... it's inflation if you traded in memory, the same way more dollars is inflation if you trade in dollars... Remember, inflation is relative to something else. The whole point of capitalism is things like ram become much cheaper over time... because we create more of it, we create it more efficiently, and we make it better all at the same time. If you were to print dollars then dollars become much cheaper relative to everything else... you need more of them to buy the same amount of goods. We call this inflation. It's basically exactly the same thing. No worming out of it with your buddhist bullshit. And I think the word Thrun used would have been optimal, not rational... an irrational agent is irrational in any environment (assuming all the options are still available)... but only optimal under certain conditions and measures. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, all agents are optimal in any environment measured against their own utility... by definition... their utility is defined by whatever choices they make... Economics is concerned with internal value ie utility... where as AI is concerned with external value (distance, time, correct words, categorisations, etc...). ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 "My utility is changing." That's irrelevant... it's still a utility function It's like the equation of state for water, it's too complex for puny math to model. Best you can do is a lookup table. For new situations, best guess or just wait and then ask me why. Also irrelevant, we know you maximised your utility function... we don't have to use it to predict a thing. The only thing we know is you maximised your utility function. My utility is unique and not market-oriented. True, or at least potentially true, the market doesn't give a shit about your utility, only the utility of actors in the market in aggregate... Ie, it maximises the pareto utility of all actors in the market... everyone is better off without anyone being worse off. So the market cares not if I die. True, and nor do I. Only govt is looking out for my unalienable rights and protecting my liberty. The market only listens to money. Govt listens to votes which are not proportionate to the wealth of the voter. All of this can be modelled the same way actually... and also a lot of this is talking about an idealised government... Money plays a huge role in US government... and then there's the gov of North Korea for example... so... no. I am insignificant in your models True... the market applies to a population in aggregate. my utility or utilities or just my choices as I would call them Yes... that's the same thing... your utility gives rise to your choices. don't appear in your data. If you have ever bought a product that uses wheat, say bread or a pizza, that makes up a part of the data on wheat sales and the wheat market... you might think this is insignificant, that's because you're individual contribution to that data is insignificant... because you are just one person over the entire population of the world... but it's there. Your model can't handle my complex choices, except, as I said, with lookup tables. It's not really about modelling an individual's choices though, is it... so... strawman really. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If they didn't interest you, you wouldn't argue against them... And how many fucking times do I have to tell you, it doesn't matter that you don't know you are maximising something, and it doesn't matter that you think the thing you are maximises changes over time or that it has a billion different variables... UTILITY IS THE THING YOU MAXIMISED IN MAKING ANY CHOICE, BECAUSE THE CHOICE YOU MADE IS YOU MAXIMISING YOUR UTILITY. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Let me use different terms... If your choices have any value to you, we can call the expected value of a choice, the choice function... and we know you must be maximising your choice function, because otherwise you would have made a different choice with a higher value to you... We call the choice function --- wait for it ---utility. If your choices are meaningless... then you might be an irrelevant, unemployed crack head. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 The thing is, even if you aren't consciously or even subconciously maximising some function... you can be modelled AS IF you were... and that's how economists model it... Not that you are maximising a function, but that you act as if you were in any case. Now, most humans act rationally all the time... because the definition of rationality in economics isn't the one you are using... I've said it before, but I guess I have to say it again... given three options A, B and C, and if you chose A over B and B over C you are rational if and only if you would chose A over C! Pretty fucking low bar in terms of free market theory. What you are saying is that it is unlikely humans act in the most optimal manner for their own long term benefit given they had all the facts at hand, and were able to fully understand all the implications of every decision they made in some omnipotent manner... Well... again, most economists would agree with you... which is why at the basis they study the decision utility... the value you expect to get from the choice you make at the time you chose it, given the information you had and your ability to understand it... To get from one to the other, the difference between decision utility and experienced utility, you have to look at available knowledge, your ability to comprehend that knowledge, time-value discounting, etc, etc... Remember, we are biological entities, designed to act in the moment, with limited information, and limited processing ability, in a way that maximises the existence of our species as a whole... not perfect prediction calculating machines designed to make sure we are all healthy and wealthy in retirement... We can't spend hours deciding whether the best course of action is to run away from a lion or not... cause these are the type of decisions we were probably built for (blah blah blah, we aren't built but natural selection, in effect, etc... blah blah blah). Utility is purposefully ambiguous for these reasons... for me, a cigarette makes me happy now... and most people now days would look at me and say I was crazy... but I'm perfectly rational in my decision, and perfectly maximising my (decision) utility, even though it's expensive, many people find it smelly and disgusting, it stains my teeth and fingers, and even if I get cancer and die a horrible and prolonged death starting tomorrow. It's a perfectly economically rational and optimal (decision) utility maximising choice to make. One of the biggest problems in discussing any field of knowledge is people argue against the terms as they understand them, rather than the terms as they are defined in that field of knowledge. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yep... we've had this discussion before... last time I think you pointed out that A>B && B>C => A>C is the definition of transitivity of the operator... and I pointed out that transitivity is a property of an operator and rationality only applied to specific ordering of choices (given all other things being equal). Well... neither your rock-paper-scissors nor your lizards are examples of choice making... they just are... and that's fine, but they don't apply. Your choice making machine... if it did that... it would be the definition of economically irrational... there would be no rational ordering to the choices it makes... you can't say there is a best choice and the theory definitely breaks down here... which is why it's an assumption of the model. Now, presumably your make-choice(A, B, C) would call each of the lower make-choice functions in turn... and would get stuck in an infinite loop? right, maybe? It certainly couldn't come to a principled decision based on first principals from the definitions you've given. Now, a rock-paper-scissor (rps) choice maker might not appear rational either... but then, if it was basing it's decisions on long term strategy, even though it's choice varied each time, it would again be rational (check some roshambo bots for some cool and convoluted AI, strategy and game theory). Interestingly enough, without knowing how the other person will play, as a choice, rock isn't better than scissors, scissors isn't better than paper and paper isn't better than rock... they all have equal expected payoffs... so an rps machine playing at random isn't irrational either. What if the choices were, drink, eat or sleep... Would you prefer to eat, drink or sleep... well... these change too depending on when you last drank, ate or slept... so, the choices might appear irrational if measured at different times with no other information, but are perfectly rational at any given moment of time, because at each instant you would prefer to either drink, eat or sleep if only allowed one of the options. Your challenge then is to find a situation where humans aren't rational and would conform to your make-choice function at a given moment in time... and furthermore... how much effect does this have on the theory? cause all deviations from the assumptions result in a dead weight loss... Is the effect meaningful? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... I dunno... for one... there's no principled reasoning from before that you could have derived make-choice(A, B, C) = A... And I think it difficult to come up with a situation where make-choice(A, B, C) = A AND at the same time have make-choice(A, C) = C... except in a contrived example. Because we have A > B and A > C... from this new choice making function alone... So, I'd really need to see a more concrete example. And then, as I said before, the dead weight loss (or the divergence from theory) would only be the difference in value between C and A, but this new addition puts A at a higher value than B and C, except in the absence of B... it seems this returns a near rational ordering... Ie, it would lose at most choosing C, when it really wanted A, but because it couldn't consider A, B, C at once it went with C instead of A... so, that's exactly what it loses by being irrational... (Value(C) - Value(A))*P(A, C) so... best I can say is, I'm not really sure... but personally I don't consider it a big deal in practical terms. I think it's about the least damaging of the assumptions when you look at the difference between the free market and the real world, which is full of externalities, imperfect information and imperfect competition... all of which can be reasonably easily corrected for through regulation... I'd really need a concrete example to think of the implications... otherwise, it's just a nice theoretical model of an irrational agent... which is nice, but not sure that useful. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah... that's a reasonable example... I'd rather watch the horror over the rom-com, I'd rather watch the rom-com over the thriller, but I'd rather watch the thriller over the horror... I mean, could be something like that... I wonder if in these cases the value (utility) of all three is going to be relatively equal in any case (even though strictly not comparable now, because of the irrationality), meaning the dead weight loss is always small... fuck it, I got the thriller, but I wanted to watch the horror... going to kill myself. Another example I thought of might be choosing what colour t-shirt to buy. So, I'm not saying it isn't an effect... and some people could definitely be carrying around large economic irrationalities in their head... it's an assumption of the model for a reason (because the maths breaks down if you don't work around it... which might apply to AI too)... but in the scheme of things, especially from a policy perspective, it's not the main issue that needs correcting. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 AI is really a decision making process in almost all cases... at the core of most AI is the cost function... this is simply the negative of utility (though it's usually explicit and known)... the parallels between AI and economics run deep... we measure a neural network at its current state and calculate the derivative of its cost function with respect to its weights and adjust the weights in stochastic gradient decent... just as we measure sales, ceteris paribus (in the economic current state) and adjust prices or production (just like weights) according to the derivatives with respect to profit (utility) in a network of flow of goods and services in one direction with money signalling the errors (missed profit) flowing in the other... the economy works like a giant distributed recurrent (feed forward) neural network with error back-propagation from some points of view... I know that's quite a bit out of field, it's just my observation that there are many parallels and analogue concepts between the two domains... I think knowing both can give you insights from one into the other... and I'm pretty sure many of the ideas in AI have been borrowed from economics (cost function vs utility as clear example). In fact... I got a feeling that economic AI is going to be a thing... for example a self driving taxi with a cost function that really is measured directly in dollars (it costs 0.1c to switch lanes!). For more of my ideas, please see why AI is a threat to humanity here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2014/10/26/172418/84/19#19 So, can an AI be irrational? For sure, you just designed one, with your make-choice function... and if we tried to fit a cost function to it, we'd have difficulty in the face of irrationality, so you'd have to deal with this, and I guess that leads to the ideas we've gotten here about bounded irrationality... It's just some thoughts I got... nothing concrete... But... example: choosing a video... although you can't assign a specific utility to it (cause the irrationality we identified), you could just blur it out into a range... for most people, the specific utility might be unknown, but you can be pretty sure it would fall somewhere between getting kicked in the nuts and receiving a million dollars... right? bounded irrationality... I'm sure real econs have this shit covered. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Thanks... In Economics, we study the choices of agents maximising an unknown utility... in AI we study how to change the utility of agents to make them follow certain choices... or something like that... but you can see there's a relationship there. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I'm not 100% sure this example makes sense in the absence of B... I think something similar though might be what you mean (I can't be bothered to specify exactly...) but I kind of think I get what you're getting at... So, C over A, then finds out about B, somehow this changes his future choice to A over C? Well... firstly, you're expected to change your favourite options depending on both previous actions (I was thirsty, I just drank a litre of water... you really expect me to drink another litre of water?), and future expected availability of options (what? You expect me to walk for 3 hours in the hot sun through the dessert until we get to another tap... fuck it, give me another litre of water!). Because, like most things in economics, everything is measured ceteris paribus (all things being equal)... so, given the internal state you've got one set of utilities, a different internal state gives rise to a different set of utilities... or, in other words, your utility function (at least it's output, with caveats, etc) will vary over time. So, something is only really irrational if the choices would be irrational given exactly the same state and information. I remember an example (I can't bother finding it now)... was exactly something like this, where some sort of mole, rat or other small mammal, chose nuts over grain, fruit over nuts, and grain over fruit... at various times of the year... which at first glance seems irrational... but it turns out, when you account for the expected availability of fruits, nuts and grains in the future... the rodent was getting what it most needed because it couldn't expect to get very much of that item in the future, while the other one would continue to be abundant for some time. So... considering time in your function actually makes some apparently irrational choices rational. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also, IF the agent is rational, then the choices CAN be compared pairwise... because there is a rational ordering to the options, so, you can run through such a list comparing pairwise and pick the favourite option in linear time... It only gets difficult in the face of irrationality... and we still don't have a strong case for that outside of your irrational make-choice agent... which couldn't have come to a decision without adding the later rule in any case. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You might be right about emotional attachment For some reason ignorance, especially seemingly wilful ignorance, really winds me up... I don't know why, maybe it is a character flaw, maybe it isn't... but stupidity, especially from those who seem they don't have to be so fucking stupid... just pisses me right off. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You should really have replied to Trane... It's outside my knowledge, and I don't care that much, so I just took the statement at face value... though it is a strange claim in this day and age of universal function approximators. What I find more interesting though, is that he doesn't realise that a lookup table is a mathematical function... and therefore, these lookup tables are mathematical models. It doesn't have to be an equation to be a function. It just has to map a domain to a range. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 On mathematical models: It's like the equation of state for water, it's too complex for puny math to model. Best you can do is a lookup table. A lookup table is a mathematical model... Just saying, you're a bit retarded. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Steam tables are mathematical models of steam... What are you even arguing against here? That only equations are functions? Go look up the definition of a mathematical function and get back to me. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 As for the big bang... and free energy... I think you can recreate the big bang quite easily, with only one major caveat... you can't do it from within the event horizon of a big bang, because the big bang cancels out the conditions in which it is possible to create one. As a practical matter then, all you have to do is step outside of space-time... either go back in time before the big bang, or wait it out and if you're lucky there's a big crunch, but that doesn't seem likely given current knowledge, or just go to the edge of the universe and step out a little bit further, and you'll have all the conditions required for getting all the free energy a universe can provide for you. You'll probably have to do a little bit of faster than light travelling to achieve any of these goals, but you've never been one to let practical problems or reality get in your way. So good luck. Hope that helps. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How? How do you harvest them without them recombining? Doesn't that violate the uncertainty principle that gives rise to them? Of course people attempt to falsify the second law... how the hell do you think we've come to understand it as a law? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Nanotechnology isn't a fucking answer it's a copout... You may as well have said 'Magic' while waving your hands... I'm talking about how do you do actually do this... at any fucking scale. What mechanisms do you use? Fucking hell, you gotta be trolling. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Ignorant Idiot Detected... STFU $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 What did he think his foster brother was a goblin? His last Rolo? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 All tits look the same when your fucking them doggy style. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Pure coincidence, I'm sure. $ ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 "In here I'm $STAGE_NAME but outside I'm $ANOTHER_FAKE_NAME." FTFY. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Next time ask her to prove it, with ID... Also... try not tipping the dancers... I bet you'll still get dances... tell them you're not gonna tip, like if they're going to do a lap dance expecting a tip afterwards... I bet (at least some of) the girls will respect you even more and you'll be more likely to get a date. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I bet they fuck the stage owner too See how that works... the guys they are paying they want and respect, the guys that pay them, they'll put up with. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You can talk all you want in my Rape Dungeon In fact, feel free to scream... no one can hear you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Energy is also measured in Joules... And power in joules per second, ie J/s, which is equal to one watt. So, a kw is 1000 J/s... a measure of power... and more like speed, as in a unit of something per unit time... So, for energy, we get a kwh is 1000 hour joules per second... or 1000 * 3600 second joules per second or simply 3.6 million joules. It's only because watts includes the time implicitly that you are getting confused. Lets turn it on it's head... and say 1 Trane is 1 meter per second... if you are going 3m/s how fast are your travelling, what is your speed? It's simply 3 Trane... How far would you go in 2 hours at 3 Trane, it's also easy... you go 6 Trane hours... Not 6 Trane PER hour though... simply 6 Trane Hours. You're just not used to seeing a unit of time as a multiplier instead of a divisor. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Well... miles per hour vs thousand hour joules per second, really... It's not hidden in the watts... watts is the SI unit of power (J/s), and joules is the SI unit of energy... Everything other than SI is just convenient (for some) scale factor of the SI units. I prefer SI units myself, so 1 mph is really 0.44 m/s, and 1 kWh is 3.6 MJ... If you work in SI units, metres, seconds, joules, watts, amps volts, kelvin, newtons, you never have to worry about weird scaling factors (inches in a foot, feet in a mile, etc)... Only SI unit I don't like is kilograms... why is the kilogram the base unit? The kilogram should have been called something like BaseWeight, and a gram would then be a milli BaseWeight, rather than a milli kilogram... Just another sort of historical hangover I suppose. I think kilowatt-hours are just some hangover from the electrical industry, in that it's a standard they've used for a long time and a convenient unit for billing... If you've ever paid an electric bill, it's normally measured in kWh's so, again, cause most people are used to this measure. Also you get, Giga Watt Hours per year rather than Peta Joules per year... Or the amount of energy produced in operating a power plant (rated in Gigawatts, for example) for an hour... I dunno... at least it's not British Thermal Units. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I didn't look till I answered... so all you have to do now is explain why did I get 44140 km^2 area and you got 41400... and how come our percentages still matched??? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 PS: The answer is def 44140 km^2 How come you got the question marked right with the wrong answer? Is it just checking the order of magnitude... ie, 40000 km^2 would have been marked correct too? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yeah, you can skip the SI conversions here.. because the watt-hours will cancel out conveniently enough... Firstly 20300TWh/year consumption = 20300 x 10^12 / 10^3 / 365 kWh/day = 55.62 x 10^9 kWh/day 6.3kWh/m^2day at 20% efficiency production = 1.26 kWh/m^2day total consumption / production per square meter = 55.62 x 10^9 / 1.26 m^2 (notice the other units cancel) = 44.14 x 10^9 m^2 There are 10^6 square meters in a square kilometer (10^3)^2... gives total consumption / production per square kilometer = 44.14 x 10^3 km^2 Dividing the area of required solar plant by the total area times 100 for a percentage gives: = (44.14 x 10^3) / (9400 x 10^3) * 100 % = 4414 / 9400 % = 0.47% Which is about around the order of magnitude I've seen quoted elsewhere... which gives me confidence in the answer. Now we just got to get that electricity everywhere it's needed in the world... unfortunately without very long lines of super cheap high temperature superconductors, this becomes uneconomical compared to traditional local generation and distribution. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No, uneconomical means more expensive or less rewarding than the alternatives. Which holds true even with hydrogen fuel cells... How are you going to distribute the hydrogen around the globe? I think you imagine this is somehow free... maybe if we paid a basic income people will swim across the oceans carrying containers of hydrogen as a challenge? Are they solving VR and AI at the same time too? Trane world would be a pretty funny place to watch. How do I know it's uneconomical... and what are some hints that could have told you it is uneconomical? Firstly, it's a frigging course quiz question, so you know lots of people have thought about it, and no one's seriously considering doing this! Secondly, you can look up a more in-depth analysis of this problem and see that the big problem with this idea is the DISTRIBUTION of energy. Which is why power stations are generally 'reasonably' close to where the power is used... Power lines eat up power too. Now all this can change in an instant if a super cheap high temperature superconducting wire is discovered/invented... There are problems with hydrogen transportation... if these can be fixed, say fixing the hydrogen into a hydrocarbon or other liquid and doing this efficiently, and pumping that around the world or in big ships like we do oil... maybe then... I dunno... you've got a lot of maths to do and it still probably relies on yet to be invented technology. Even after all of that... if you solved the distribution problem and other problems we haven't discussed, why would Australia import energy from Africa when Australia has large deserts with about the same energy falling on it? Doesn't Mexico have desserts, and even the US? Why would all these countries rely on a foreign source for all their power and a single point of failure at that? No, uneconomical doesn't mean unimaginative, it means that it's not the best option of all available options. If anything is unimaginative it's going with an idea you just heard of and discarding all other possibilities. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There are several forms of losses in transmitting power... Radiative losses, as you've pointed out... The wire acts as a big antenna transmitting EM radiation out into space. Inductive losses, which are related to radiative losses but due to material in the EM field, for example, stand under some high tension wires with a loop of wire and you can easily power a fluorescent tube or more... this is generally illegal because that loop of wire is generating a loss that wouldn't otherwise exist... you are, in effect, stealing electricity. Ohmic losses, the fact that current moves through the wire causes it to heat up and this is lost energy... power losses are proportional to the square of the current, so you minimise the current by using high voltages... hence high tension (voltage) power lines. Conversion losses, okay, now you've decided to use a few hundred thousand volts to transmit your power, you have to convert it back down to something usable without causing electrical arcing throughout your house and killing anyone standing within a few meters of a power socket... These aren't perfect (though pretty good) and cause losses... so you have to balance your transformers with your transmission. This is one of the roles of your local electrical substation. Grounding losses... Ever seen faint arcs on a rainy night across dusty insulators on a high tension line or hear a buzzing sound in similar conditions? That's electrical power finding a another way to ground... and represents another loss. You balance this loss with the cost of materials to build your insulators vs the voltages you use... the higher the voltage the more air gap you need. Which is why high tension power lines are so much more expensive than the power lines in your neighbourhood, and again they are more expensive than the ones running through your house (though current plays a role here too, limited by fuses and other circuit breakers). This is why electrical engineers are employed... Like all engineering, it's all a game of making tradeoffs and finding optimal solutions within constraints. BTW, super cheap, high temperature, high current superconductors would solve most of these problems... if they existed things would change a bit. Just make sure you have lots of redundancy, cutting the only superconductor coming out of a power plant is going to be intense. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... this is a stupid straw man argument. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Good explanation there... I now understand your argument. /s Your argument was that it's economical if you are imaginative... and my argument was that it isn't the best option of all available options and therefore (by definition) uneconomical. This is probably the first time you've heard of this idea too... and grabbing onto the first idea you've heard of in a while and thinking THIS IS THE THING TO DO is the LEAST FUCKING IMAGINATIVE thing you can do. Troll away retard. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You want to build the thing you saw in Quiz... and you say I can't think much? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No officer, it's not solicitation... she's a street psychotherapist. This chick's got about a decade before she has to start using the word 'mature' in her advertising. Hot Mature Psychotherapist available for the discerning troubled gentleman. Analysis available for extra. Or she could become the clinic's madame, giving guidance to younger up and cumming psychotherapists. Get two psychotherapists for your fantasy psychotherapy session. Bicurious Psychotherapist, couples therapy welcome. Finally men will actually want to go to couples counselling. "Yes, hun, the counselling's going great, no reason for you to be there. I think we're on the verge of a breakthrough... and I'm going to get a load off on the new trainee psychotherapist too... Anything for you." And asian pyschotherapy: Me so freudian, me analyse you long time. "Tell me about your mother"... "Goddamn it, I didn't pay for this!". ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If we ate more locally-sourced food there would be a lot of savings. I was listening to someone on the radio talking about this... turns out that this isn't true, and was actually costing more both in terms of the price of the produce, but also in CO2 emissions. I think it had something to do with efficiencies of scale... but it was something I heard a long time ago. If we all ate vegan, or at least vegetarian that quite likely would solve the global warming problem. It probably would have a large effect... however, it's unlikely that the majority of people who can afford meat are going to go vegetarian... or they probably already would have... should it be legislated? Again, unlikely amongst a population that isn't majority vegetarian... So... I think it's an unlikely outcome. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 This makes sense... You got your free speech zones, now you got your free food zones... Why can't you just be happy? Is this more to do with regulating the serving of food. I mean, with all the best intentions even, if I'm not regulated I could be cooking food unhygienically, putting the cooked chicken in the unwashed bowl I took the raw chicken out of (for example)... You could make a lot of people sick. So... is it possible and reasonable (cheap enough, not need a masters in food prep) for this church group to get the right regulations? If it's just about location... even then sometimes makes sense... maybe you don't want a lot of people gathered where they may be a hazard to traffic or something. In the end, I suspect you're right though... attempting to hide and marginalise the homeless population. As an aside, I can get free food 7 days a week here... every day except saturday at 5pm down the park, and saturday at 6pm in the church behind my house... I haven't taken advantage* of it yet, but I probably should... I don't eat proper when I'm just cooking for myself. *: Well, a few of my friends have bought me food packs back, and they're very good meals actually... I think if I slipped the charity that does it a few bucks I'd feel fine eating from them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 I kicked them all out after a bad meth trip... It's not like I was making large sums from them... mostly free drugs, free sex and free food from down the park. I quit pimping. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 There is a theoretical limit. There is no theoretical limit to the charge carrier multiplication. So you can get more out than was put in. Correctly it is: One theoretical limit to the charge carrier multiplication is that you can NEVER get more energy out than was put in. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You get LESS work out of the photon than it can do itself... THIS IS ALWAYS TRUE... You just get more electrical energy out of the down-converted photon than it would have made in a semiconductor through the photo-electric effect if it didn't down-convert. THAT IS ALL. You will never get more work out of the photon than the energy in the photon. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Maths isn't arbirtrary... and the terms are always defined. BUT PEOPLE USE IT THAT WAY... Ie, they use their own symbols, and don't always define them... I mean, they don't explain to you what + and * are EVERY SINGLE TIME, they expect that maybe you've carried this knowledge over from previous experience. If you haven't, then you probably have to take a few steps back and learn them again. And sometimes they put xn to mean the nth element of x... rather than x raised to the nth power... that's just bad use of notation... and not a problem with maths itself. Finally, I'm of the understanding that maths can be encoded in a binary string, and that computational proof checkers can be run against them... to me this implies that there is no room for ambiguity in maths. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Isn't the proving algorithm and it's output the actual proof? All the intermediate steps and special cases are a derivative of the algorithm. I mean, if you can prove the algorithm only does correct steps in its calculation, you prove its results without actually inspecting them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Yes, you've described Godel's completeness thereom which (I believe) is equivalent to Turing's Halting Problem... (at least equivalent in its construction, or at the very least, proven through very similar means). My point wasn't about that, it was that it is encodable in a completely unambiguous way, so, despite the limitations of OCR and the different (accidental, arbitrary and sometimes contradictory) choices of symbols by any given mathematician, it is actually (at its core) unambiguous. I don't see the point in designing a mathematical system that is deliberately ambiguous... unless maybe you wanted to disprove thermodynamics, economics, the photovoltaic effect or something along those lines. 1=([-inf,+inf], 0, NAN, i, j, k... etc)... you can all go home now, we proven there is no meaning in the universe, you can shut up, those buildings will stand up no matter how we make them. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Of course ambiguity has it's place... AI is going to have to deal with ambiguity of course... But not in mathematics... and when mathematicians deal with ambiguity, they are unambiguous about it. I guess a good example is statistics, X ~ std(0,1), for example... any given element of X is unknown, but we know exactly what type of unknowns we are expecting. This enables us to build systems exactly, that can deal with a world where not everything is properly or formally defined. If we allowed the maths itself to be ambiguous, we couldn't build the machines that deal with ambiguity, cause we wouldn't know the specifications of the machine! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 How many dead hookers does it take to change a lightbulb? At least 6, the basement's still dark. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 You failed... because, apparently, it's been deleted. Was originally in reply to your comment here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2014/10/30/103150/69/3#3 ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Shut up Holly Or it's back to the rape dungeon with you. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Trane doesn't have to show that it's physically possible, he just has to show that it is logically possible. If it is logically possible, then there is no scarcity, and so the government can print as much money as people want and give it to everyone as a basic income... Because no one has to work any more, people can do challenges, such as working on creating the things that give us no scarcity, ie the things he has proven are logically, but not necessarily physically, possible. So, this is the quickest way to having no scarcity. Does that make sense everyone by now? ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Dear Trane, The sooner you realise that, while we can have incredibly efficient photo-voltaics and all the benefits they bring, we will never have over-unity devices, the better. The sooner you can accept the reality of scarcity, the sooner you'll be able to argue for an economically sound form of Basic Income. Just as charge is not energy, you need to understand that money is not wealth (the first dollar printed was worth about as much as all the dollars now printed, or would be in a fixed economy that agreed to use those dollars as a signalling mechanism... ie, total value only grows because of other factors, not the amount printed), and so, whist you can print money, you cannot print wealth... printing money and giving it to a certain group simply redistributes the value of money from amongst the population holding it to that group. Cause the total value of the money doesn't really change. So... You can have efficient photo-voltaics, and you can have Basic Income... but it has to be paid for somehow... So, instead of arguing for a magic utopia that requires mechanical unicorns for its existence, accept reality, and argue for a Basic Income that can be implemented, with all the benefits it brings. Otherwise, you're actually harming the Basic Income movement... except maybe for the awareness you raise... but you're in danger of putting anyone new to it off, because you make it seem ridiculous. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Keeping your body in cold storage is likely to release more CO2 than your decomposing body can. Unless of course the grid moves to renewables or nuclear by then. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 GIFs? You were lucky. Why, in my day we used to have get up half an hour before we went to bed to download ascii porn at 300 baud, both ways, on a cracked bbs site on a monochrome green screen. But we were happy. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Holy shit you're fucking stupid... If you could create an energy efficiency of over 100%, just tie one of these up to a photon emmitter powered by it, then shine one photon onto it, it will produce two charge carriers, which will produce two photons, which will produce 4 charge carriers, which will produce 4 photons... in an exponential cascade until your single device can create more power than all the world's nuclear, fossil and renewable sources combined. It's obvious idiocy. On a note about External Quantum Efficiency... it's the number of charge carriers produced per incident photon... the total energy of these produced charge carriers is LESS THAN the energy of the photon. You are looking for a perpetual motion device... either make one, show one, or shut the fuck up because you're fucking hopeless. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 If nature was making use of free energy we wouldn't see plants using chlorophyll to harness the sun's energy... they'd make their own free energy and grow like fucking crazy... And just because you see a lot of stuff in nature that YOU don't have an explaination for, does not imply that science doesn't have an explanation for it... You are pretty fucking ignorant after all. Finally, yes.. science doesn't know everything... but unlikely to be where you're looking, imply that it is wrong on the points you are hoping it is wrong on, that thermodynamics is wrong, or that you are approaching physics with the mind of someone wanting to learn science as opposed to someone wanting to push their agenda. PLEASE STFU AND SHOTGUN MOUTHWASH THE IGNORANCE OUT OF YOURSELF. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... I'm no expert on quantum mechanics... but he doesn't even appear to look at the definitions of the terms he is using... He really is looking for a perpetual motion machine... he's fucking crazy/stupid... No amount of posting is going to convince anyone of reasonable intelligence that such a thing is possible... why is he even doing this? Because he requires that the fundamental realities of physics to be broken to support his ideas on Basic Income. That's how fucked up his ideas are... If just one person on this planet can build an over unity device, they'd be rich beyond dreams, and the world would fundamentally change forever... so, clearly one hasn't been invented yet... and if one ever does, then we can change our views on economics... maybe... but not before. It would be like basing your economy around the existence of a high speed communication network in the days before the steam engine... maybe next he's going to start arguing for more research into time travel to get around this little economic problem too. What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? Doesn't matter. He's grasping at straws. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Then you don't need basic income... people can eat all the free lunches they want. And clearly the universe is a free house as well... so they can go live in the universe and stop complaining too. Problem solved. And now you can STFU. Can you go and try the winchester thermodynamics experiment please? Report back here with the results. Everyone knows that theory without experiment is worthless and inquiring minds want to know. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Which is still less than the photon's energy... It may have been twenty years since I studied this shit, but I'm nearly a hundred percent sure this fact hasn't changed. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Also note, the Shockley-Queisser limit is never broken, UNDER THE ASSUMPTIONS of the Shockley-Queisser limit. Ie, where it is broken, it isn't broken, because the limit doesn't apply to those situations (concentrated light, multiple junctions etc)... This is where you're lack of understanding of what assumptions mean comes into play. None of this will ever get you more energy out a system than you put into it... to think so means you are living in crack fantasy land... but we knew that already under the trane is a fucking crazy crack head assumption. ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 Jesus Christ... YES THERE IS A LIMIT!!! The limit is that you CANT GET MORE ENERGY OUT THAN YOU PUT IN. Straight up fact... no physicist (actual, not crackpot) would EVER suggest otherwise. But EQE isn't a measure of ENERGY OUT ON ENERGY IN... it's a measure of CHARGE CARRIERS OUT ON PHOTONS IN! ------- if i ever see the nickname procrasti again on this site or anywhere in my life, i want it to be in an OBITUARY -- CTS doing my best at licking arseholes - may 2015 -- mirko ------- Winner of Kuro5hin: April 2015 No... The hate just don't translate. I know what you're implying, but I'm really only nasty online... it's the medium... I love arguing online... I'm pretty nice in real life, probably too nice. Actually... has been real quiet here lately... don't know why... It might be that the police have cracked down on the area... or, if I were to guess, I'd have to say probably because I told them all they have to go and not come ba